Interview with Clive de Carle: Reclaiming Your Personal Health

George Papp 0:08
Hi, welcome to the conscious renegade podcast with me George Papp, helping you to be the change you wish to see in the world.

Today we are joined by Clive De Carle an independent health consultant, and also founder of The Secret health club. We’ll be discussing alternative health to free people from the pharmaceutical industrial complex and live a healthier, happier life. Also, just to let you know, guys, the Cryptonomous membership is now live. So feel free to check that out. We have monthly newsletters, live trade calls and investment tips that we’re looking at, to hedge against the great reset and definitely a hedge against inflation currently, so definitely check that out. So Clive, thanks for coming on. How’s it all going?

Clive De Carle 1:11
Thanks, George. Yeah, fantastic. Thank you very much.

George Papp 1:14
Thanks. And yeah, thanks for joining me, we actually haven’t had a health guy on yet. So you’ll be the first so it’s going to be interesting to discuss. There’s obviously a lot going on around health as well in the current sort of mainstream. So it will be great to get your insights, I guess first, the first sort of thing to look into is your own story, because I know you have such an interesting story. I was looking at your website, I know your work. And I sort of have an idea of your story. I guess to the listeners who haven’t heard your story. Yeah, just give them an insight of where your background is and how you’ve come to where you are today.

Clive De Carle 1:53
Okay, well, I’ll just start where I don’t normally start. When I was 10. In 1964, my dad introduced me to John Lennon. And this was life changing because a I was a big fan that be I thought the world was going to change for the better. I thought by 1967 that global peaceful revolution would happen and war would end and the world would be lovely. So I got quite shocked when that didn’t happen. And then when I was 11, I went fishing and it was in very clear water. And we had a bucket with a glass bottom so I could see the fish. And I was in little dingy and the person I was with had had a hook with a live maggot. Then dead maggot on I had one I didn’t want to put the maggot on the hook but he didn’t care. I dreaded catching a fish because I didn’t want to rip a nasty hook out of fish’s mouth. I really didn’t want to do that guy’s worth he didn’t care. He caught 20 fish. I caught none and want to catch one he wanted to got about 20 fish, because we could see what was going on. We see the hook with the maggot on it through the glass bottoms. Bucket. Every time we swap with swap fishing lines. And each time we swap the fish that are going crazy for his hook. So slowed right down. Then they saw that now he was holding one and zoom they went over and started in a frenzy wanting to be caught by him and all afternoon I couldn’t catch fish. He did. I caught sunstroke. He had fish for dinner. So then I went in, I was very entrepreneurial. I did a lot of different business stuff. And then I started a contact lens company. And we ended up selling it for an awful lot of money. And I retired and started an organic farm and but in the meat when I was about 31 I made a big mistake. I had some spots on my face because I was eating badly. And I stupidly went to a doctor who gave me an antibiotic and one antibiotic. A few months later I was in hospital, antibiotic poisoning. I’d become type one diabetic, or become arthritic. I got rheumatoid arthritis so badly, I couldn’t walk anymore. I couldn’t get dressed. I fingers wouldn’t work anymore. And I was in hospital for weeks and weeks and just getting worse and worse. And it was all terrible. And the doctor said, Well, there’s nothing we can do. But I was reading books while I was in hospital and I realized that the antibiotics have damaged my gut bacteria and I got wheeled out of the wheelchair and so they’re fixing myself with vitamins and minerals and a bit of a diet change. And all the arthritis went away and I’ve been fine 37 years since then, at least arthritis wise. And so when I sold the contact lens company, I thought oh what am I going to do with my life? And yes, I had no small organic farm but I wanted to do more. So I started studying health because not only that I got better, but I’ve seen somebody else 30 or 35 years ago, recover from cancer, which the doctor said was going to kill them, they started taking 35 grams of vitamin C every day, and didn’t die of cancer when they did die 20 years later, it was from something else. So by the way, if I talk about cancer, and spelling with a K, for legal reasons. And what I’m saying is not medical advice, because I’m not a doctor. I’m just a bloke that knows some stuff. And anything that I say, just check it out for yourself, you know,

they started censoring me in 2014, when I was working with UK column. And at that point, I had to take all my videos off YouTube. And I started a club called, where all the band videos are on with a lot of other people’s banned videos. And I used to see clients, but I don’t really do that much anymore. Because I’m busy doing other things. So all the information that I used to impart to people basically is in an A to Zed form on the secret health club. There’s much cheaper joining that than it is employing me for an hour. So in a tiny nutshell, that’s some of the things that I’ve been up to. And then, about 20 years ago or something, somebody said to me that you’re really good at talking, you should give talks. And that frightened me silly that the prospect of that because I was always the one at school, who was hiding at the back, you know, I never talked at school, never put my hand up, never participated and left on my 16th birthday as soon as I could escape. And then suddenly, I found that I liked studying, you know, who will afford and I liked education and talking to people and explaining things and helping them. And then about 20 years ago, I was working with a medical doctor, who was super interesting. He taught me masters, absolutely masters. And he was like a renegade doctor in some ways. And he told me that Nikola Tesla had invented healing devices in the 1890s. And he said, You should buy one. And my business partner, one of my business partners, just two days later said, Did you know that Tesla has invented a hearing device, you should buy one, and I tracked one down secondhand and bought one. And right away, the doctor and I were getting results. It was unbelievable. People coming out of pain and 20 years of pain or whatever coming out stuff like that. And so these days, my hotkey, so to speak is tracking down these old machines and restoring them and your practitioners sometimes buy them from the people occasionally buy them. And I’ve got a video online, where I get 34 people out of pain in a row with a piece of kit that was built 100 years ago.

George Papp 7:59
Wow. stuff. Yeah. I mean, I wasn’t aware that you could actually get your hands on these. I obviously was aware of them, obviously aware of the Tesla situation, but I was unaware that you could actually still find them.

Clive De Carle 8:15
I’ve got about six people around the world. You know, over the years, I’ve got to know everybody who’s interested in this tiny little fringe area. I mean, you look on there on the website, you just there’s nothing, it’s been scrubbed, the information has really been scrubbed from the internet. So I started buying the old books that doctors had, you know, I’ve got one of my best books is from 1915. And it’s an instruction manual how to use Tesla devices. Doctors, because you can do surgery with them, not just not just get people over pain. I’ll show you an electrode. This is an electrode, maybe you can see that. Yeah, we can see. And this one is primarily used for restoring nerve damage. And then there’s another electrode this is for treating open wounds.

George Papp 9:08
Guys listening on Spotify, unfortunately, won’t be able to see they won’t be able to get here but a video you can see on Odyssey

Clive De Carle 9:14
here that this is for repairing cellulite damage. And, you know, people don’t realize that back in 1890 At the turn of the last century electrotherapy was normal in guy’s Hospital in London, when did they open their electrotherapy department? Well, it was 1843. And they’d already been using electric therapy prior to 1843. But so occasionally people will find these old bits of equipment in their attic. And they obviously most people think that today in the 21st century old pieces of medical equipment from you know, 100 years ago. Well we’ve surpassed that, you know, we’ve gone beyond that old rubbish and they throw them away, not realizing that they’ve just thrown away a genuine Tesla device. And so yeah, over the years, I’ve been tracking them down and restoring them. And myself and some others doors between us, we’ve got stocks or parts, and we know how to do it, you show one of these devices to the average electrician, and they’ve never seen tuned resonating Tesla coils before. They don’t know, they just don’t, you know, by the 1930s, valve technology had come out and Tesla coils were sort of redundant, you know, people, so people they weren’t taught anymore, after the second world war than they totally stopped teaching electrotherapy there’s, you know, the Rockefeller medicine crew went round to every teaching academy in the world, you would say teaching electrotherapy or teaching herbalism or a cures with mineral waters, or, you know, cures with acupuncture or homeopathy or in England, there are like 20 homeopathic hospitals at one point, you don’t get to be a hospital without being good. And you don’t get 20 of them. Unless homeopathy, it was really working. You know, there were about, I can’t remember how many there were over a dozen hydrotherapy where they just use water as their primary method of healing people in Bath, there’s still a huge hospital, I’m sure it’s been taken over as a fancy hotel or something now called the Royal Mineral Water hospital where they treated you with the bath waters, you took the waters just like going to a spa. So, so much knowledge has been lost that just 100 years ago, your great great grandparents would have been quite familiar with stuff that’s now totally foreign to us.

George Papp 11:52
Yeah. And I mean, these these devices have these Tesla tools. Are they potentially acquirable? By by people? Or are they are they still very limited in the amount that that are out there to?

Clive De Carle 12:07
Well, there are not many good ones out there. I mean, my American restorer who’s had a business for years restored finding and restoring these devices he’s he’s given up because he can’t find enough good devices that are worth his time to restore. Luckily, in Europe, they’re more common now than they are in America. Because in America, there was a real Crackdown is they put people in jail and stuff. But if somebody wants one, they’re really serious. If they want to write to me at info at Clive I will send them details. You know, there are a few people who practitioners who use these but generally they do it on the quiet and they don’t usually have a website that step by word of mouth. But they are incredible me for chronic pain. That’s where it works best. If somebody is in chronic pain, you can usually get people out of pain in five minutes, usually, like not occasionally. But usually does I got a video where I get 34 people out of pain in a row in less than five minutes.

George Papp 13:16
Interesting. It’s good to know that they’re available. And you know, I’m sure they they have a lot of value in a monetary sense, but I’m sure they actually do work. It’d be great to hear more about that. Yeah, so definitely. I mean, the show on the show notes will have contact details for Clive. So if anyone wants,

I’ll send you a link to the video because it’s not a public video. It’s, you know, it’s not it’s not listed? Yeah, I’ll send I’ll send you so your listeners can find it.

Sure. We’ll include that as well. Cool. So let’s move on to I guess what is natural health? I mean, there are going to be some listeners here who maybe not sort of familiar with natural health, they might just not have looked into it enough. So what in your your sort of eyes is natural health? And what does that includes, I guess, protocols that you use suggests?

Clive De Carle 14:08
All right, well, let’s start off by looking at what healing is. So doctors who know anything about healing they know about drugs, surgery and radiation. But doctors don’t study health. It’s not on the curriculum five years, and they never get a healthy person and ask you how do you stay healthy? Why haven’t you got cancer or whatever. They don’t know about health. They don’t study cures, right. And what we want if we’ve lost our health is to get our health back. But doctors don’t do that. They will say, Oh, your body’s gone wrong. It’s bad luck. It’s bad genetics. It’s, you know, because you’re a fat lazy pig or whatever it is. They’re going to they’re going to blame you. But actually, nobody’s body ever goes wrong. What happens is that and perhaps we’re toxic ly poisoned, perhaps it’s an emotional toxin, we’ve had some terribly traumatic event, and it’s poisoned us, you know, at school people used to say, you’ll amount to nothing, you’re useless, or your accident prone or he’s always ill, or whatever it might be. And if we believe that type of hypnotic suggestion, we might not be well, but again, the doctors get it wrong. They see something like a tumor as a cancer, for example. They say, look, the cancer is the problem, the tumor is the problem. And so it’s like going to the car mechanic, and you say, look, I’ve got an engine problem. And so rather than the mechanic looking at what was causing the engine problem, they spot a big tumor, like a big red flashing tumor, you and I might call it the warning light on a car dashboard. But they say we’ve cut the tumor out, you’re cured. Nothing to do with what what caused the tumor, anything to do what was in the tumor? What’s the purpose of the tumor? Was it a good or a bad thing was the tumor the healing or the problem? So let’s simplify it. If you cut your finger, you know what to do. You leave it alone, you keep it clean, sterile oil. And what will happen with it will get hot and a bit red, you’ll get inflammation and inflammation is painful. So as your finger recovers, it’ll knock the temperature up three degrees to it. Because Because we heal with a high temperature, don’t we, you know, somebody is toxic. Let’s say they’ve got a lot of mucus and phlegm in them, well, the body will raise the temperature to detox, all that stuff, it all comes out. And then your temperature goes down, you’re back to normal. So inflammation is healing. But doctors say inflammation is the problem. Take an anti inflammatory. Well hang on a minute, you know that inflammation with your finger is part of the healing process. So what are inflammatory diseases? Well, arthritis, cancer, heart problems, loads of things are inflammatory. And inflammation is painful. But that is the healing process, but the dog just wants to turn it off. I’ll give them an aspirin, you know, get that temperature down them and they don’t understand what healing really is. So that’s one level of it. So with me, when the doctors couldn’t showed me that the these are all gonna be drugs for the pain? Well, I’m not lowering drugs. That’s not my problem. Deficiency of chemicals. That isn’t the issue. But I realized that I was low on minerals. I was low on vitamins. I was probably low on probiotics, your natural bacteria. I might have been low on amino acids, which you get from protein rich foods. But one way or another. I was as weak as a kitten getting worse. And the doctor said there was no hope. Now, that checked myself out, I started changing my diet, taking some supplements. All the arthritis went away 37 years ago, never come back and I looked like I was 18 years old. I couldn’t get drugs. And so what did I do? Well, the first thing I did was to take magnesium, magnesium and vitamin C as perhaps primaries. So what I’d like to do if I may is run through common deficiencies of vitamin C. And then your audience can decide whether maybe they’ve got a website with magnesium, run through the deficiency symptoms that you get if you’re low on magnesium and see if people have got any. So if you’re low on magnesium, you might be getting hiccups, spasms and hiccups as like a spasmodic contraction of the diaphragm spasms, cramps.

They are magnesium deficiencies and you’re seeing this with some of the people like sports people, they exert them. They have massive exercise and they dropped down dead and a heart attack. So what happened there? Well, somebody drops down died of a heart attack after vigorous exercise as they’ve done a marathon what would have happened well, they would have sweated and sweated and sweated until all the magnesium had sweated out and their heart stops because it cramps up and they die. You know people in the desert who we think there’s a dead person because they died of dehydration. No, they didn’t. They were still hydrated. What that what happens is that they sweat it out all the magnesium. So the heart had gone into a cramp and they had a heart attack and died. So any heart problems heart arrhythmia. Heart attacks, met probably a magnesium deficiency strokes. Arthritis answers, a joint issues twitches around the eyes, constipation, restless leg anxiety, panic attacks, lack of energy, poor sleep, we’re just scratching the surface of magnesium deficiencies. Now most people have got at least one of those for myself. If I don’t supplement with magnesium, I get muscle muscle cramps, I wake up in the morning and stretch and I’ll get a cramp. And but if I take magnesium, no cramps, and this is the same for pretty much everybody. Anybody who’s got one of those symptoms, twitches, constipation. Magnesium relaxes the body. So if you’ve got constipation, that means that your bowels aren’t relaxed enough to let go, you take enough magnesium, your bowels are going to let go whether you want them to or not. So you don’t want to take too much. But people who do take magnesium, many of them are taking a type that doesn’t work. If you go into a High Street store and buy the cheap stuff I was gonna ask this is just it’s not going to give you any magnesium that’s going to get you out of pain, you need the right type rather than the wrong type. And the quantity you might need might be totally different to what you ever would have imagined now. The RDA the recommended daily allowance, which is the amount that was worked out in the Second World War, to stop people dying of magnesium deficiency, right? It’s not enough to keep you healthy. But it’s just enough to stop you dying. That is the RDA. Now, the RDA for women is 380 milligrams, and the RDA for men is 400 milligrams. So that’s enough to stop you dying. But is that enough? Well, probably, possibly not. So now, people might have a say they’ve got some magnesium at home, they might look at it. And they might say 500 milligrams on the label. So they go would be one capsule is going to be fine, isn’t it? Because the 380 or 400 milligrams in a day, then you’ve got the whole thing in one capsule that No you haven’t. This is where they trick you. It says 500 milligrams. But that’s not elemental. Magnesium is not pure magnesium. That’s the magnesium salts like magnesium glucan aid or magnesium glycinate or citrate or whatever it might be. And there’s probably only maybe 100 milligrams of actual magnesium in there. So you actually need four capsules that say, not one. And they’ll say on the reverse. If you look at the supplement facts, it’ll say elemental magnesium. Now you know how much you’re really getting. So a lot of people think they’re getting the dose, they’re only getting a quarter of what they want. But that’s the minimum to stop you dying. So should you be taking for a day? Well, if you do you want to take them in divided doses, because some people might end up with diarrhea, if they take too many at once. I can take six at once no problem. And I recommend that most people if they recognize themselves as being low, having one of the symptoms that we just discussed, they might want might want and divided doses just at the beginning, assuming their kidneys are healthy to take 12 a day. 12 capsules of magnesium a day you know most people go, you’ve got to be kidding. That’s ridiculous, but it’s not. It’s not. I’ve had people who’ve been suicidal, write the depression so bad. And 24 capsules later, in less than two days no longer suicidal. Again, this doesn’t work for everybody. I’ve had some people

haven’t slept well for 10 years, suddenly sleeping well. I’ve had people who the pains stopped them. I had somebody this week who had trigger finger. They they couldn’t straighten their finger. It took the magnesium one hour later point the finger straight and I’ve had people cancel surgery for trigger finger because the magnesium was the problem. You see people bending as they get older than their backs bending over a summer certainly a magnesium deficiency. They can’t relax, they can’t relax their joints and their muscles and their tendons and ligaments and so on. So they’re beginning to twist up. Magnesium is number one in the in the mineral world. Vitamin C is number one in the vitamin world and vitamin D is number one in the hormone world. Vitamin D which we get from sunshine was mislabeled as a visible, it’s actually not it’s a hormone. So if you take vitamin D, magnesium and vitamin C in the right quantities, I would say that you’ll begin Being on the path to being bulletproof. If people that say on the NHS, they gave you the supplements, the right type the right amount, and you maybe included ID as an extra one, you could empty the hospitals a year 80% of the people who are in currently in hospitals wouldn’t be there. If you had those four things going, I would suggest

George Papp 25:23
I actually supplement those. Those three, personally,

Clive De Carle 25:27
You notice a difference when you started doing that?

George Papp 25:30
I actually did. I have to admit, I actually did. I managed to research like you said the right types. And yeah, I actually did see a difference. Certainly energy levels and mood level, for sure. Those things 100%. And I wanted to know,

Clive De Carle 25:48
how huge is that? How many people are feeling tired? All the time? Yes. It’s almost these days. Everybody’s feeling I would say some Ireland depressed. Yeah, no, it’s true. Yeah, no, I

George Papp 25:58
agree. I agree.

Clive De Carle 25:59
The interesting thing is that when we’re stressed, we burn up magnesium, right. So everybody’s stressed from 5g to, you know, listening to the news, if you’re foolish enough to do that, or whatever it is, everybody’s stressed way more than they should be. And how the body reacts to stress is burning your magnesium levels. So people get to this point where they burned their magnesium levels up completely. And now they’re getting the symptoms that we’ve just gone through.

George Papp 26:26
Yes. So it’s it’s certainly interesting. I mean, can we get these doses in natural food products? Or is it due to the fact that they’ve kind of ruined the food that we eat? That exactly that basically doesn’t allow us to have that those minerals in taken basically is that is that,

you know, I had an organic farm for 10 years plus, and my land had never been no have chemicals on it. So everything was just great. It was super easy to farm not I watch my neighbors doing it conventionally having a harder time. It was ridiculous. I was getting double the price, firstly, for my produce. And I was really well, at that point. 37 years ago, I had to take supplements to be well, but one of those living that lifestyle. I never supplemented with anything apart from a bit of Celtic sea salt. That was that was it. I didn’t need to because eating so well. Most people are unfortunately buying food that’s been poisoned. Isn’t that most people? I believe that when you go into the supermarket, there should be a say six categories, as opposed to in just a helicopter noise. It could be six categories. There could be a category, which just says what the product is, you know, bread, milk. Then there could be the other five categories, which which say slightly poisoned, fairly poisoned, moderately poisoned. Seriously poisoned and deadly. Yep. You forget the organic, biodynamic Viet that is that’s what it is. All the rest is food like poison. You know, if somebody gave you a one year old and said, look, the baby is really hungry. Would you feed it? Would you poison it? Well, course not. You wouldn’t poison a fictitious baby, that people are going out buying food for their kids. That’s got preservatives and pesticides and fungicides and herbicides, insecticides and larvicides. I talked to this farmer in the market once he was selling apples and stuff. And I said, Yeah, at that point, I was a farmer. I said, Joe, you know, how have you treated your apples this year in you as a farmer, and he told me it sprayed 28 different chemicals on his apples and then sealed them with wax so that the rain wouldn’t wash the chemicals off? Yeah.

And that hence the gloss that you see on those examinate supermarket apples

traits are endless, but also he was spraying stuff in the soil. So he killed all the insects and all the life and the beetles and everything. And then if you use Roundup, you know the glyphosate herbicide. How that works is it stops plants taking up minerals. That’s why all the weeds die. But even the Roundup Ready plants are I don’t know the numbers, but let’s say half empty of minerals. And every year, the soil gets worse when I was young. There was a wheat harvest or corn harvest or rye or oats or whatever it was, they do the harvest and burn the stubble to the ground. Now minerals are not damaged by heat. So every year they they grow it and they probably put natural fertilizers natural manures or whatever on the soil. And they’d always be putting it back that grow it up, burn it down, grow it up, burn it down and then leave it fallow and then that cycle but now they don’t do that anymore. So when they were doing that when I was young If I went out for a drive at this time of year, there’d be dead insects plastering my windscreen of the car, I’d have to get out and, and scraped and insects off my headlights at night, because I couldn’t see, because of all the insects. Now, I challenge anybody to tell me if they’ve got more than one dead insect on their windscreen, whereas I used to have 1000s in an hour. So it’s been an Armageddon of insects. So the birds aren’t there. The bats aren’t there like they used to be the young people don’t know, because they don’t know what’s not there anymore. But I’ve seen 99% extinction as anybody my age has of insects, it’s right in front of your face on the car windscreen. They’re missing. This is because they’ve all been poisoned by chemical farming. And so we were not meant to be ill women to self repair.

Yes. Yeah, I fully agree with that. I guess then, looking at those issues. What do you suggest in terms of a diet protocol? Or where would you source your food? If you’re in the sort of situations where you know, it’s quite difficult really to actually find food that is not poisonous, in a sense? Is it all about decentralizing and just growing your own, but obviously, again, you’ll have to find the right seeds and make sure the soil is of an adequate and poisonous level. So I mean, what sort of things do you suggest to to solve this for the individual at least?

Clive De Carle 31:29
Well, bearing in mind that many farmers in the UK and around the world will be growing say 30% Less next year, which means starvation for many people, because they can’t afford the fertilizers, the 300 400% rise in fertilizer costs. So and because they’re, they’re dependent on the chemical fertilizers, they can’t instantly go organic. I mean, personally, if you had a garden, I would be growing stuff. He’s got a lawn, you can just lay potatoes right on the lawn, cover it up with some cardboard with holes for the potato grow through an open up some straw bales, but a couple of straw bales on top. Even if the ground is rock hard, too hard to dig. You come back in a couple of months after you’ve watered the straw in the potatoes. And there’ll be potatoes in the ground right on the surface of the lawn and the roots will have gone down and like dug the soil for you. There there’s all sorts of no dig gardening techniques that are worth looking at. There are planting techniques where you plant things together. You plant onions next to carrots and the onions scare away the carrot flies and the whatever likes the onions doesn’t like the carrots, you know there’s companion gardening, there are all sorts of techniques that can make growing food sort of easy, but it really you the trick is to go to your neighbors and say what’s growing well because in some cases, there’s blights around so you just can’t grow this crop very well but other crops just a massive you know, I keep lots of beans like mung beans and lettuce I wanted bean sprouts and I want to plan in advance I can just put like two peas worth five peas worth of mung beans into soak then each day are, you know, let put them in a glass Kilner jar. With the top open. I just rinsed the beans every day so they stay a little bit damp. And within a few days, you’ve got bean sprouts. I’ve spent tea pea on mung beans, and I’ve now got two quids worth of mung beans because they they filled up the whole gillnet jar, you can sprout anything, you don’t need a garden you don’t need light. seeds don’t care whether you’re in the light or the dark. So let’s say I feel like hummus or falafel or some I’ve got some chickpeas and they store really well super cheap to buy. And I can soak them. They say I soak 10 grams of chickpeas. They’ll double double in weight by the end of the day and then I’ll just keep them down just wash them every day. And let’s say four or five days later, that 10 grams is probably gone to 50 grounds as they’ve grown and they’ve gone from dormant, which seeds are potential life to actually flourishing so the amount of vitamins and chickpea has gone up and immensely because it’s grown and you come alive.

George Papp 34:40
Are you are you a vegan client, you know, okay, what do you what do you suggest as a diet protocol because I know it’s widely dis sort of debated I guess, across the board, whether it’s sort of meat eating or vegetarian And or obviously veganism. What do you promote? Or what do you currently do yourself?

Okay, well, let’s run through the diets that are possible. There’s the Clinton diet. That’s where you’re a humanitarian. And that’s what your diet is, then there’s no vegetarian Fisher, Terry, whatever, that was a joke. But then the I stopped music, eating meat for 25 years. Literally, I went off it in mid chicken sandwich. And for 25 years, I did not want to eat meat. Then I changed my mind, I was round, and my dad says they got roast goose for Christmas dinner, and I decided that I’d go back to eating meat again. So I eat meat currently, but I’m very fussy. You know, I’m very lucky, I’ve got a organic shop that actually sells real food. And so I’m stupid. I won’t buy poisoned food, I just don’t want to do it. Because I guess clients, I see, I see the results of people eating badly. So I try to eat really well. And as I say, if you’re on a budget, then you can grow your own sprout your own. And it can be very, very inexpensive to eat. You can sprout lentils even sprout almost anything. But actually, I like cooked food. If somebody was in desperate need of a detox, let’s say they’re a type two diabetic. I’ve put people on a raw vegan diet, very low on carbohydrates, very low on sweet fruits, not an easy diet. And I’ve had loads of people who were type two diabetic now completely cured, no more type two diabetes, because they gave their whole system a rest. They stopped putting in the inflammatory foods, they gave their pancreas time to recover. Because most diabetics are constantly putting in processed foods or sugary stuff for fruit juices, you know, you want to be a type two diabetic these drinks and fruit juice, they’ll probably not your pancreas for six. And so most of us are capable of repair if we know how to do it. And we are what we eat in a more, more logically we are what we eat, think drink and do. That’s what we really are. So you go to a doctor, he says you’re going to die of cancer and you believe it. And that’s what you think, well, he well might. If you go in search of health, and somebody says, Well, if you look after yourself, you could live another 10 Healthy extra years, you probably might.

And I someone actually personally who reversed diabetes with a low carb to know that well, low carb, let’s say Meat, meat, meat diet, basically. So that got me thinking about the sort of meat versus vegan, you can go low carb with vegan, it’s just a lot more difficult. But it kind of got me thinking to, you know, how does it work then if he’s if he’s managed to reverse diabetes with a, with a sort of low carb sort of carnivorous diet? You know, there should be that should be looked into as a potential, you know, a good thing and something to look into as an option. But I believe that there’s always that debate between the sort of vegans and the meat eaters. Well,

Clive De Carle 38:22
every vegan I know, and I’ve known loads of vegans for decades, all long term vegans gave up they had to, they had no choice. They got ill, they got weak. We are omnivores, we our opportunity was if we got the opportunity, we’re likely to eat it. Ask one year old. And everybody’s different. And there are different times of need, as I say, I’ll happily put somebody on a raw vegan diet, if that’s what they need. I had a client a few years ago, who’d had IBS, ulcerative colitis type thing. For 10 years. He couldn’t leave the house one hour otherwise, you know, he might have an accident in the street. And he tried every diet that was it gone raw vegan, he tried everything. What fixed him finally, was going raw carnivore, he had steak tartare for a couple of weeks. And from the first meal of raw raw beef, he didn’t have IBS anymore, just stopped. He also did an one IV drip of glutathione. So it turned out that one of his problems was he had a severe reaction to certain certain petroleum products. And he lived on a main road and that might have had something to do with it. But essentially, he was raw carnivore for about under two to maybe three weeks at the most fixed him. That was what he needed might be the opposite for somebody else. So we are very intuitive if we’re willing to know know our bodies well enough and the more you trust your psychic abilities, the more you trust your intuitive abilities. The more they can develop. And so it’s it’s important to study that’s why I started the Secret Health Club because you can look up diabetes or thyroid or whatever the problem is. And there are some pretty good answers on each page as to what to do if you’ve got to get pregnant. You know, there all sorts of advice for that. And I interviewed Dr. Andrew Wakefield, you know, the guy in the doctor in 1995, who was the first one to mildly suggest that autism and vaccines might be linked. Now he’s been proved it goes completely vindication, right? They vilified him in his latest film, he’s now a filmmaker. It’s called infertility, a diabolical agenda. And now it’s only like 63% of the people who should be fertile, aren’t. It’s pretty shocking.

George Papp 40:53
It’s interesting. It’s definitely interesting and relevant right now. I guess the last sort of thing we can dive into is just really summarizing, really, the sort of key takeaways you would give my listeners sort of implement these strategies into their lives. And also where where can people find you in regards to your information and get in touch?

Clive De Carle 41:18
Right? Well, when I, you know, for some reason, the authorities have not liked some of the advice I’ve given because I suppose it stops the profits of the pharmaceutical industry. So the government wrote to me about three years ago saying that I cannot tell you the name of my website. It’s just incredible. So I can’t tell you but I could tell you that as most websites do, they end in And my name is Clive de Carle. He’s read might add a pinch 20 on your intelligence level, be able to put the two together and work it out.

George Papp 41:59
Sure. Yeah. We’ll include that in the show notes. If you can’t work it out,

Clive De Carle 42:04
They banned me from using the words vitamin C, and Coronavirus, publicly. I’m the only person and as far as I know, that’s got it in writing. I could have fought it. But it’s so funny. I’m not allowed to use the words Coronavirus or vitamin C

George Papp 42:22
do shows you something it tells you something right? Obviously,

I was putting up all sorts of videos on those subjects. And they took them all down within 15 minutes they were YouTube wouldn’t take them down. Now I’m I’m totally vanished from YouTube, they’ve taken me down completely. And finding me on Google is quite difficult as well. You just find hit pieces.

So what what key takeaways can the audience take away

Clive De Carle 42:51
couple of magnesium, we’ve covered vitamin C, we’ve sort of covered just everybody’s low on these things. Another big one, we haven’t covered is iodine. Right. I like a form of iodine called Lugol’s iodine 20 pounds in money last few years worth. So it’s not expensive, which is why the doctors aren’t taught anymore. Doctors used to be taught iodine and it was like, if you went to the GP and they didn’t know what was wrong with you 150 years ago, chances are they would have just given you an iodine as a starting place. So what foods are it in? Well, the most I’ve seen is in seafood, particularly seaweed. Now what countries in the world have the most seaweed in their diet? Well, let’s take Japan. Now, Japan do not have a word or didn’t used to have a word in the Japanese language for the menopause. There was no word for it. It basically didn’t happen in Japan. hot flashes super rare, because they have so much iodine in the seaweed and the sea fish that things like breast cancer, things like thyroid issues didn’t happen, or hardly ever, you know. Whereas we in most parts of the world unless we live right by the sea, we’re not getting enough iodine. And if you’re not getting enough it and things like goiter can happen where the thyroid swells up hoping to grab more it in through the air. Things like hypothyroidism, hyperthyroidism happens. It’s like providing people with problems like hormonal issues, probably lacking in iodine and how many people are lacking in iodine? almost everybody is because if you’re sitting on a new sofa with fire retardants that’s giving off bromine, which is knocking out iodine and if you’re drinking fluoridated or chlorinated water or bathing in it, that’s going to knock out the ideen which makes your thyroid work properly. Iodine make sure temperature control work properly. People say, Oh, you’ve got cold hands, you’ve got hot hands. You’ve got hot flushes. That’s an iodine deficiency that you’re basically looking at. If somebody’s got dry skin, if they walk into a room and can’t remember why they walked in that type of memory thing, very likely to be an iodine deficiency 20 pounds a year to fix. It’s crazy. Anybody who’s had anybody put it this way anybody wants to have a child. If the mother is low on it, the baby will be born with a low IQ, if the mother is clinically low on it, and so much so that a doctor would recognize it. The risk is the baby will be born with mental retardation, right? Serious mental retardation from iodine deficiency, you want intelligent baby, you want not to have many menopausal symptoms. You want to be taking iodine and selenium. They go together Iodine and selenium. Super important. Anybody who’s an addict, they need to know about Selenium. Selenium is just a massively important supplement. Other ones just racing through them. And I started taking vitamin D in winter. And I used to get colds every year, several never got a cold for 15 years, just from we don’t get enough sunshine in winter. So take vitamin D just in winter. I take vitamin K as well, if I’m not eating grass fed animal products. And of course, it’s worth bearing in mind that cows don’t eat grass, cows eat pastures, with Meadows full of wild flowers and herbs and mushrooms. But most cows are fed grass, which isn’t necessarily what they would naturally choose in the wild. Everything’s been messed up food wise, it’s a pretty crazy situation. So I recommend if you can’t grow your own, team up with a local farmer, cut out the middleman, try and find somebody who’s growing without chemical agriculture. Maybe you can buy straight you know, I get chickens from a lady. I get sorry, eggs, from a lady down the road and her chickens are foraging in the wild. It’s all lovely. And I know that I’m getting really healthy, fantastic eggs, and they’re half the price of the shop.

George Papp 47:33
Yeah, yeah, definitely stopped buying from supermarkets, its funding the issue as well. So you know, definitely Carl that those guys shop locally to the places that are independent, and you know, our, I guess aligned with with morals and growing these types of foods. And yeah, it’s, it is that simple. You’ve got to implement the strategies that I know there’s so many you can include, but we can do it slowly. But yeah, like just to sort of wrap it up, I guess vitamin C, D, magnesium, vitamin K, iodine, and selenium. Do your do your own research. Of course. You can also find all this stuff on on clients website. And yeah, we’ll we’ll definitely include that in the show notes. We have to wrap it up there, Clive. Thanks for joining me today amazing insights. And I hope to have you on in the future as well. You know, we can we can discuss a lot more, I’m sure. Make sure you subscribe to the podcast on Spotify. Plus, if you want to prepare your wealth for the great reset by having guidance from experts and and remove your inflation attached savings and income from the banks, check out this episode shownotes for a link to Click on the members page. Like we’ve said we’ve got a membership now. It’s a new service, which obviously can help you guys just build your wealth or at least preserve it during these times. I know it’s quite a difficult place to maneuver right now. But we seem to have at least the tools and solutions to do so to help you sort of build away from the current system. That’s the plan. So I’ll also put the links to Clive stuff, all of that secret health club, the websites. So definitely check that out. There’s so much useful information there. And it can really help you out I’m sure. And if you’re obviously interested in the Tesla stuff. I’ll probably also like to sort of look further into that. So that sounds really interesting. But yeah, thanks. Thanks, Clive. And yet peace and love to you all, and thanks for listening. Thanks, George. Thanks, everybody.

Clive De Carle 49:40

Episode 8 – Clive de Carle: Reclaiming Your Personal Health

George Papp from The Conscious Renegade joins Clive de Carle from the Secret Health Club for the most ground-breaking and censored discussion on reclaiming your personal health with practices and knowledge developed more than a hundred years ago hidden by the elites. In this episode, we learn about Clive’s history, how he started the Secret Health Club, and his hobby of finding old Tesla electrotherapy devices that can heal most ailments and remove chronic pain. Clive also explains the shift in the medical industry from natural, holistic and homoeopathic healing methodologies to the Rockefeller-sponsored pharmaceutical health practice. We also touch on his experience with diet and the prevalence of magnesium deficiency in our modern society. Make sure you catch the end where Clive goes into his top mineral and vitamin supplements that he recommends for a healthy life

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Episode 7 – Captain Draeth: Pirate Chain (ARRR) & Privacy Cryptocurrencies

George Papp from The Conscious Renegade joins Draeth from Piratechain for a fascinating conversation on the bleeding edge cryptocurrency pushing the bounds of private blockchain transactions and cryptography. Draeth introduces how he got started with Piratechain and is involved in the community while showing us a vision for a world where both private and transparent blockchains can coexist – each useful for different types of applications. You’ll get a history lesson about the origins of Piratechain as well as your questions around code audits and pre-mined coins answered. The Piratechain team also teases an upcoming hardware wallet using zk-snarks that would be the first of its kind in the crypto space as well as other upcoming roadmap milestones. Draeth leaves us with some insight on the value of your data and how you’re giving it away for free to corporations who use it to profile and target you.

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George Papp 0:08
Hi, welcome to the Conscious Renegade Podcast with me George Papp, helping you to be the change you wish to see in the world.

Today we are joined by Captain Draeth of the cryptocurrency Piratechain. And we’ll be discussing alternative economics and crypto to free people from the current system and the potential coming Great reset. In regards to updates with Cryptonomous, we are launching the membership. Now we have a date of the first of July. So keep your eyes peeled for that. We’ll give updates soon on when those will be up and running. So thanks again, Draeth for joining me. How’s it going on your site?

Draeth 1:06
Thanks for having me. Yes, things are going great man, except for the market.

George Papp 1:11
Yeah, we’ll definitely ask your opinion on what’s going on in a bit. I mean, it’s obviously an interesting time to be discussing crypto. But yeah, thanks for joining me and taking time out for this. I know you we’ve wanted you on for a while to discuss what Piratechain can do. And what we can often say to people, I guess, to kick things off, we wanted to, like I do with most guests is just to have a look at your story and how you manage to I guess get to what you’re doing now and in contributing to pirate chain. And you’re sort of what’s your story in, in essence.

Draeth 1:47
So I started off in crypto in 2016. And it naturally kind of drew me because, you know, being able to control my own money, for one and two, just the different types of things you can do with the new innovations that crypto is coming up with just you know, it’s fantastic. And I was always a huge, huge advocate of privacy and, you know, security, things like that. So, you know, I started off as you know, miner of Litecoin, and just various things like that. And then until I stumbled upon Piratechain in October of 2018, which is two months after its launch. And I started mining that because you know, I found out about it through a couple of videos and things like that. And what really, really stuck me to the community was that or to the project was the community for one and how helpful and knowledgeable they were. But to how like just reading into the technicals and reading into all these different things just really floored me in terms of like technology behind it with zero knowledge proofs and all this amazing tech, including, like delayed for work and everything. So at that point, I was like, you know, this is something that I really, really want to stick with. So I started trying to help out with anything that I could in terms of community management, or just promoting in general and one of the old captains fishy guts actually got me to start a business that accepted Piratechain, and I created, you know, this crypto coins and stuff. And it was just a lot of fun. And then, after a while, it just became something that I was super passionate about, and dedicated a very good portion of my time to assisting and doing whatever I could. And over time I got eventually promoted up the chain to captain. And now you know, I helped lead the ship in terms of the direction would go with promotion with pretty much anything that I’m able to do. So

George Papp 4:16
yeah, I can tell with the team with you guys. You’re all very aligned in and sort of morals and ethics think is very important. And it also shows the continuity. And it seems like you know, you can tell a scan by the team. And I’ll definitely know that, you know, the team. We’re at Piratechain. I mean, it’s definitely there for for the cause. And yeah, like I said, it’s been a pleasure to speak with all of you to be honest. I think one thing, one topic we want to discuss is I know you’re obviously in the space, but I want to talk about the overall crypto solution as an economic solution for freedom on your end life. What’s your views on on crypto being an economic solution? It kind of gets a lot of people on both sides of the coin. You know, people say that crypto is that digital money that eventually will be sort of taken over and sort of be just like, a doorway to the CBDCs. But other people, you know, realize that the privacy aspect and and having our own sort of limited supply type crypto can be a solution. But what’s your thoughts on crypto as a solution in our current society?

Draeth 5:34
Well, crypto is it’s too broad of a term really, in terms of being a solution for, you know, money in general, because there’s so many different applications that crypto can be used for, but speaking specifically on currencies, for them crypto like Bitcoin and fire and things like that. A problem is, when it comes to CBDCs and things of that nature. The biggest issue is its transparency, right. So whether it’s transparent to the public or transparent to a select few, that’s what that’s when it becomes a major issue. Because now you have people tracking everything you do everything you spend your money on, and so forth. Now, the solution comes in privacy coins, whether it be pirate chain, or, you know, quite a few others that are out there that actually have some really solid privacy aspects and features to it. Because with something like pirate chain, you can’t track it. It’s literally impossible, what the moment you send something to somebody, nobody can see that transaction. Nobody knows how much was transacted while the Tresor went to nothing. They just know that something happened on the network. And that’s it. So the analogy I like to use is, it’s like having $1 in my pocket. And then me thinking to myself, Okay, I’m gonna send it to this person here. That person knows I sent it to them. But or knows the address that it was sent from. But aside from that, nobody else can see where that dollar went, because it just disappeared and reappeared in that other person’s pocket. As compared to say, like Bitcoin, for example, which is completely transparent. Everybody can see that I send money across the table to that other person, everybody’s watching, everyone seems to have a wallet, everyone can see any detail of that transaction or of my wallet or wallets that I own. And that’s an issue because you don’t want to do you don’t want people to see your private information, load woes want people everyone to see your personal finance. So Piratechain solves that by making everything completely private.

George Papp 8:09
Yeah, it’s, it’s interesting, because the you can see that in not only for us freedom based individuals, I think there’s definitely a use case for businesses from in regards to sort of private blockchain technology, who would want all their information on business and supplier details and you know, all kinds of payment details from a business point of view, to be seen by everybody. Now, we can flip that, I guess, and say that maybe there are a lot of use cases for transparent blockchains. Especially if you believe in government, having a an open ledger, transparent to all of society in regards to maybe tax expenditure, wherever your view on taxes would be a useful thing. But I think in this case, having a tool like pirate chain and and others that are fully private, there’s so much use case for that, especially in a world where we are now and even even in a world where it wasn’t in this way, in the sense that there are illicit actors, prying over your funds, and then they want to know everything about you. But yeah,

Draeth 9:19
not only that, I mean, when you look at transparent blockchains, they there are tons of use cases for them. Yeah, not in personal finance. But when it comes to public finance, or say voting or when it comes to say donations specifically to politicians and such. Those things I believe should be public and completely transparent.

George Papp 9:53
Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I think there’s so many use cases that you know, can prevent a lot of issues that we’re having at this moment. In the world, with transparent blockchains, for the public side of things. Great. Yeah, I guess, just to touch upon the story of pirate chain, I know you joined in two months after launch, or you got to know them at least two months after the launch. But what are your what’s your knowledge on how it started pirate chain and how it sort of grew as a as a crypto as a team, sort of where were the origins of Piratechain?

Draeth 10:29
Yeah, so Piratechain originated on August 28, of 2018. And it was developed by a bunch of different developers on Komodo who basically thought to themselves, is it possible to actually make a fully shielded chain using z k snarks, because at that point in time, the only chains that were available with Zk-snarks, which is widely considered the strongest privacy protocol was, say Z-cash, right, Z-cash was the main, one that utilized and developed zk-snarks into blockchain, but they also have transparent addresses on top of private addresses. Now, the problem with that is 95% of all transactions on their chain is transparent. Only 5% actually utilize the privacy features were shielded addresses. And the reason why privacy gets ruined with that is because if, for example, coins get sent through a bunch of different transparent addresses, then it goes to shoeless address, that eventually back to a transparent address, they can eventually be traced. Whereas with Piratechain, you don’t see anything that happens. Right. So once they started kind of digging into that, they got the chain working and up and running. And then from that point, you know, they dedicated some of their developers to help out and it was turned into a community project, to where anybody could really help out and, you know, push the push the project forward. So they gathered some of the best community managers, some of the best project managers that they could find, to help run the project. And then from that point, we just kept expanding in terms of personnel, community, and just pushing the message forward, that privacy is a fundamental right of all people. And nobody has any right to infringe upon your privacy without your consent. Show it so we just kept developing and developing until we were the first to actually have a fully shielded mobile wallet in the industry. We were the first do tons and tons of different things with zk-snarks. And we actually got recognized by quite a few people, including Monero and Z-cash. Manero complimented us on our anonymity set, because our anonymity set grows with every single transaction that occurs on a network. And just all the developments that we’ve made in this industry for zk-snarks and usage. We were complemented by Z-cash for that. So

George Papp 13:32
yeah, so we can tell the difference between Z cash and Piratechain. Piratechain is private by default, using the Z-cash narcs technology with Z-cash has but they don’t have privacy by default. So it’s easier for the blockchain to be read for the unshielded transactions make up most of the transactions, so it’s easier to sort of work out the private transactions basically, is that the jest that

Draeth 14:00
pretty much and we’re all going to be the first in the industry soon to have a hardware wallet that can actually utilize zk-snarks. So currently, there’s no wallet in the industry that can handle shielded transactions for zk-snarks. And one of our community members slash team members is actually developing an almost finished with a hardware wallet that’s capable of running pirate chain

George Papp 14:30
that will be an excellent solution in my opinion, I think you know, that sounds pretty revolutionary because I think we currently I mean, the hardware wallets currently. They’re not I mean, they they they don’t support Piratechain so I think having a hardware wallet is obviously advisable for especially long term holds and yeah, obviously having that for pirate chain is is definitely something definitely a good move forward in my opinion. How long are you until that, that

Draeth 15:01
sort of ready? Well, it’s been in development for over a year mobile rights been just, you know, working like crazy on this thing. And it’s been shown off his progress every so often. And he’s made amazing strides. And I think he’s finally at the point where probably I am don’t quote me on this because you know, things can change. But I would, I would assume that in the next couple of months, you probably start taking pre orders.

George Papp 15:32
Because that is something

Draeth 15:34
manufacturers and a bunch of other stuff to just get the final kinks worked out.

George Papp 15:39
Definitely something to check out in the next few months for sure. I’m definitely interested in that. And we can definitely point people in that direction once things get close to that time. So thank you, I guess there are some things we want to talk about in regards to there’s a lot of talk about, obviously, third party audit. In regards to pirate chain, potentially pre mine issues, I think we just want you to essentially clear up some of the sort of talk in the background of, you know, the third party audits that haven’t occurred yet for pirate chain. And and some of the other limitations that people have expressed in regards to the pre mine. Just maybe touch upon that to maybe clear up some of these issues that people might have and concerns.

Draeth 16:31
Yes. So while Z-cash itself, has their stuff audited in terms of their technology and everything, you know, it would essentially be the same thing for us. But the problem lies in the fact that there’s only maybe a few, in fact, companies in the world that can actually audit zk-snarks stuff. So finding those people, which we found a couple that can do it costs, ridiculous, I’m talking about several $100,000 to be able to just audit the code. But the also the other problem lies in, you know, can you really trust that they know what they’re talking about? You know, what I mean? So, it’s, it’s, it’s an interesting thing, because we’re really pushed to do it, which we started fundraising for, and still are, because, you know, we still haven’t met our goal of, I think it was like, a quarter million dollars to get the process started. And, on top of that, you know, when we find when we, I think we found somebody to found a company to do it. But then it was, I think a couple of community members or people from another project were like, Well, no, they’re not that great at it. So it’s like, Who do you trust at that point? You know, so it’s something that I mean, we’re not, I mean, we are actively working on it. But it’s not like a major priority at this point. Because there’s so many other things that we can be doing, rather than, you know, trying to raise money, and then trying to find a legit order that everyone agrees on, which is near impossible to find, let alone find additional companies that are able to actually audit. zk-snarks. So it’s, it’s, it’s, and it’s a monumental task to try to do. And that’s something that a lot of people don’t realize, because the thing is going to say like Ethereum. You know, auditors are a dime a dozen. There’s tons of solidity to solely solidity auditors, because there’s just so it’s easy code is to audit. Whereas zk-snarks is the math, the math required for this, it’s just saying, so. So that’s that. And then in terms of pre mined, it’s, people always get upset when they miss out on the beginnings of a project. And our emission rate was high, so that we can, like catch up to people like Mineiro, and things like that in terms of supply and everything like that. So what ends up happening is when you have people that missed out on the beginnings of a project, they get all fuzzy like, oh, you know, it’s a pre mine. This isn’t that. I mean, when you really think about it. I mean, how difficult was it to mine Manero back in the day when it first launched? Right? It was actually, for a lot of people. There wasn’t the software solutions or a lot of things that were that are currently out now. That were that, you know, back then it was really hard to do. Let alone you look at the amount have people that were in crypto back then that, you know, were actually mining Manero? It was only a handful people compared to you know, what? The average amount of people that mined certain assets today. So, if you really want to save it, you know, you can technically say, well, manera was pre mined, not many people knew about it, when it first came out, it was really hard to mined. So, technically speaking, it was, you know, for a lot of people, it was too hard for them to figure out and so forth. So, to me, it’s, it’s a stupid, stupid thing that was just, you know, people use his try to use this font. And it’s just, it gets old after a while, you know, it’s, it’s funny to see a lot of people stop saying that after a while, because they’re like, Well, you know, they can’t refute the things that we say like, well, you know, it’s it was available, we promoted it, do you want? Did you expect us to have millions of dollars to promote this, so everyone knows about it in the beginning? Now, there’s tons of projects that are out there that blew up during the crypto polish of a bull bull cycle that not many new people know about, because, you know, not every project has millions of dollars to promote their stuff. And that’s what it takes these days to get noticed.

George Papp 21:21
Yeah, I mean, some of those projects are probably no longer here. So there were Yeah, so you know, I think the testament is at least, you know, you guys have kept very consistent in the sense that your, your project is very consistent, the team is very consistent, and you have a very, like consistent sort of moral and ethical standpoint, I think that’s very important.

Draeth 21:48
And not only don’t have any dev fees on chain, or anything like that. So no, there’s a 0% of any transaction goes to anybody but the actual intended receiver, like you have certain other projects that have we like to call it dev tax to where a small percentage of the blocks mined, actually go to the project? No, so we have no, no pre mined for us. There’s no dev tax shot for us in terms of mining of things that this, nothing like that. So we’re literally operating on a zero budget. Because, you know, we all volunteer, we don’t get paid for this. And, you know, the things that we need to raise funds for we go through the community. Yeah,

George Papp 22:44
excellent. Excellent, I think, yeah, is a testament to knowing who, who you guys are behind the scenes. So yeah, I can definitely advocate for that on your side. I wanted to ask this, because a lot of people question crypto and if even being online, at any point, means that you’re totally private. So I wanted to put it to you, in a sense that can you ever be fully private? In a sense that, will anyone? Can people just know that you’ve bought a pirate chain? Or whether you own pirate chain? I believe, I mean, you probably can’t tell that you’ve how much you bought, right? But Can people or you know institutions? Or anyone really, hackers know that you’ve bought pirate chain? Or is there is there actually ways where you can buy a pirate chain without any sort of footprint online? Let’s say?

Draeth 23:43
Um, so the difficulty about that is the fact that in order for you to really know not leave a footprint, is if you were to say, trade assets. Regardless of what that asset is, does that mean you can give somebody Bitcoin, then you receive Piratechain, that really doesn’t matter, because nobody’s going to see that pirate chain transaction. So they just see that, you know, like, from an outside perspective, you see Bitcoin going from one place to another, but that’s all you see. You know, so, realistically, if you want to try to not leave a footprint, then it’s, you know, utilize VPNs and such like that. So you don’t know what sites are going on, or whatever, you know, to encrypt your data and stuff, but the thing about Piratechain is that it doesn’t matter if somebody’s monitoring your network, you know, because it’s all encrypted. So it’s not like people can see just because they’re on their network or network that, oh, wait, they’re receiving power chain, or they’re sending pirate chain, they have no idea because it’s all encrypted. And on top of that, you can utilize the built Tor and stuff with our wallet. And soon, hopefully soon, you’ll be able to use ITP as well. So we have additional security features built in. So it’s like encryption on top of encryption. And so it’s for somebody trying to see that, you know, you’re making a transaction unless they’re actually on your computer, looking at it. You know, there’s whether that be in person or like through spyware of some sort, that where they can see your screen and see what’s going on. Nobody’s gonna have any idea that you’re actually sending or receiving power chain. Yeah, and I

George Papp 25:50
think I just think that it’s an important point to make. I think you gotta have everything, I mean, without sounding completely paranoid, because I think you can go too far in a sense that you need everything not to be seen, in the sense not of the transaction, but even like you buying certain things like Piratechain, or even just making a transaction from different assets. But I think what Piratechain can offer towards freedom is definitely the community aspect of if we use Piratechain, as a method of currency between us, it cannot be tracked or extorted, whether whatever your views on tax, for example, but not just that, in regards to if you’ve bought something and you know, you’re not allowed due to your social credit score, they can’t do that with pirate chain. So as an alternative solution to the ever increasing surveillance, monitoring of digital money in traditional finance, Pirate chain can really be used as that, that sort of added tool in your toolkit to actually be able to move around that system. Once an effect comes in, in regards to CBDCs, which looks inevitable. Yeah, so I guess let’s move on to thoughts on the current market, because so much has happened since we last spoke together a few months back. What are your thoughts on the current market? And you know, what’s happening at the moment why it’s happening? And what you see in regards to the future of crypto?

Draeth 27:29
Yeah, so basically, obviously, we’re in a bear market right now, which was pretty evident. But the thing that really kicked it off to where it is now, was the fact that LUNA was just basically destroyed, which was, you know, a top, I think it was a top 15 Crypto, and a lot of people utilize the stable coin and LUNA itself. And when you will look at what happened. It’s like billions of dollars were just erased almost from just people’s homes. So there’s a lot of people take advantage of the arbitrage opportunity that went on between the stable coin and Luna itself. So where it basically got depay. So a stable coin, as you know, should be pegged at dollar if this was at like 80 cents, and then the arbitrage which was so hard that literally dropped it down to 50 cents and then just went downhill from there. So a lot of people get affected by Luna which causes a huge ripple effect all over crypto. And then you have this stuff now with Celsius and you know, various other things that are going on that are just causing issues. So it’s not a fun time for sure.

George Papp 29:01
Do you see the end in sight?

Draeth 29:05
Well, here’s here’s the way I look at it. You look at all these other times that all these quote unquote industry experts say oh crypto is dead crypto going to zero bla bla bla bla bla they’ve said it so many times in the past, I mean, most recent or not most recent but the last example was 2018 Right? So Bitcoin had just reached his all time high of like 19 change. And then they just started dropping and dropping and went all the way down to about $3,200 I think it was late that year early the year after and then it just stay in that low for you know, quite a while and then finally out of nowhere just rose up to eight grand and then kept rising from there. So realistically, it’s just going to be awhile, it’s going to maybe be about a year or two, in my opinion in terms of a full recovery, plus going back to potentially new all time highs and all that other fun stuff. And that’s why the comb cycles, you know, so we’re in a bear bear market cycle right now, in my opinion. And then eventually, you know, once we get out of that bear cycle, we’ll go back into the bull cycle. And then you’ll see all new cryptos pop up, you’ll see all new scams, obviously, you see all these new innovations that will be coming out of crypto during that time. But the important thing is, it’s, if you want to find out what projects are legit, look at what they’re building during bear markets. Because it’s during the bear markets, when there’s no money really to be had compared to a bear market. Compared to a bull market, you’ll really see the dedication of a team, when you see them build during a bear market.

George Papp 31:05
Yeah, and you can the lie, I’ve said this to many people is like this is when you see a lot of the ship coin and you know, poor protocols really just go and you have the ones that have solid fundamentals and the legit team behind them stay and build for the next Bull Run. And I think that’s a very big an important aspect for people to know, what are fundamental, fundamentally good projects, and, and research the team etc. Because just going with hype and stuff, it never works out.

Draeth 31:46
You have to think about what you’re really in it for, as a user, not as a product, but as a user. Are you in it for making money? Or are you in it for actually utilizing the technology is severe enough for utilizing the technology. And you’re upset about you know, well, prices are down? Well, that’s the thing about crypto, use it, use it for what it’s intended for, right, for example, with higher exchange or chains of currency. And we have something called the Armada, which is a AR AR AR ma It’s a store directory of all stores and services that accept pirate chain as a payment. So if you want to support a project, or, you know, you want to hear in crypto to, you know, use it for what it’s supposed to be use for then use it. You know, that’s the best way to gain adoption, the more you use, some people use the thing that’s intended to use for the more traction it gets over time and more stores will accept it and so forth, we have like, I think it’s over 120 different stores right now in counting that accept Piratechain as payment. Yep. So if we continue with people using Piratechain, oh, stuff that’ll just continue to grow. And you’ll see a lot of adoption come from it. You know, and then over time, during a bull market, for example, if you’re if you’re the type of person that only cares about price, that’s when you see the price shoot up. Even more so than any other crypto is that, hey, it’s being used, it’s actually being used next to one of these other Kryptos that just are supposed to be currencies, but they don’t go after no places to accept them as a form of payment. They just go keep going after tech, which is great. But you don’t get any traction because nobody’s using it for what it’s supposed to be used for.

George Papp 33:55
Yep, we’ve, I’ve said this before, I don’t even think some in soon in the future, it might not even matter how much Bitcoin or Piratechain and whatever will be worth in dollar terms. I mean, personally, I use pirate chain as a form of payment on order as well, which I’ll put in the link in the show notes. For anyone interested in accepting pirate chain I do myself. And that’s how we, you know, we actually change our community and help each other by accepting, you know, these sorts of privacy focused coins. And I know that you guys are really focused on getting businesses to adopt your currency and actually using the currency which is it’s crazy to me that not many people think about that. They just think about how much it’s worth in Fiat dollar terms, which is, which is I mean, it’s crazy to me, when the actual technology is there to be used, and it’s ready to be used. Yes, I mean, what’s next for pirate chain in regards to updates and what’s next in the actual world? roadmap.

Draeth 35:02
Yeah, so in the actual roadmap, basically, we’re going to be listed in additional third party wallets. You know, relatively large ones, I should say. We are working on getting ITP integrated into our wallets. So this way, you can have a choice between utilizing ITP or Tor. And knowing that there’s pirate poker, that’s going to be coming out probably, hopefully, in the next few months or so, which is anonymous poker. I know, there’s a lot of people that wanted to get that built. So that’s something that one of the dev teams is working on. what else what else, we just got accepted by a, what do they call it voluntaryism in action, which is a nonprofit, that actually does a lot of good work around, you know, places around the world, where you can actually, you know, donate to them to actually help out and everything, and that they accept Piratechain as a payment. So that’s something recent that would happen that one of our community members actually teammates, I should say, Luna worked day and night getting that set up, which was amazing. There’s just tons of stuff that we’re currently doing behind the scenes as well, that we don’t really talk too much about or don’t talk about at all, specifically, because we don’t like saying things in public and then having the public continue to wonder when it’s going to be produced. If it’s something especially if it’s something that it’s going to be a long time before we finish. I mean, prime example. There’s something that I that I’m actually doing a lot of research into and getting my developers looking into for pirate for an escrow service. Right. I haven’t released many details about this at all, specifically, because, like I said, I don’t know if it’s possible. And if it is, I don’t know, how long would it take to develop, and also his stuff. So if we feel like the best way to really push out information and to announce things is when we’re 100% sure that it’s able to be done for one, and two, we’re getting close to getting it finished. Because at that point, once you actually are close to getting it finished, then the logical question of the community would be, when is it going to be available? You know, so imagine if you just stopped working on something, you have no idea when it’s gonna be finished? Or if it’s possible, and people keep asking you, hey, when’s this going to be done? And then you’re like, I have no idea. That’s not like, a one and two, you want to make sure that you don’t hype, something that, you know, will be a long time away. You know, so when we do something, and we announced it, that’s when you know that, hey, this is for real, this is coming soon. And so it’s

George Papp 38:24
definitely better to over deliver than meant to under the under deliver. And always over promise and under deliver. over deliver. Yeah, yeah, I was trying to get that. Yeah, exactly. And yeah, I think that’s the best way to go. No Hype, just get get your work in the background. And when when things come out, they come out and it’s you know, it’s 100% Ready, and not some bodge job or, you know, delayed thing that people are still waiting for. So, then other projects have definitely had that sort of thing going on

Draeth 39:04
to that same point, but you know, we have we’ve had that same issue before. The thing is, we just learned from it, you know?

George Papp 39:11
Yeah, exactly. I’ve had that with this actually, to be honest to releasing this podcast and, and having having my episodes delayed. For launch. To be honest, I’ve had to learn that as well. I guess the last thing really to touch on is always ask this is what advice and key takeaways Can you give my listeners to to implement strategies into their lives to truly help them free themselves from the current economic climate or just to be able to implement strategies for freedom? I guess in regards to pirate chain, but also other things as well that maybe you’re doing personally.

Draeth 39:54
Yeah, just take a look at take a good long look at everything you do on your Your daily life and see the various places where your information is just you’re giving it away, essentially, right? One example I love to use is, for those who are in the US, there’s in food stores, they have, like MPP cards, right? Which is something that, you know, you scan it, you get discounts on, you know, various products and items, you know, that are on sale. Now. Those things are free to have like, you don’t have to pay anything for an FTP card. But you have to stop and think, What am I? How am I getting these things for cheaper? Why what is special about this thing that allows me to get these things, these products and items cheaper. And what that thing is, is your data, right, you’re giving away your data, which is the products you buy, how often you buy them, you know, the various brands that you get the frequency in which you go to that store, or so forth, all this data, which can be just allow me to basically figure out the type of person you are and your habits and all this other stuff. You’re giving away all that data for a small discount on whatever items you’re getting. And to me, that’s crazy, there’s an instance where target is I think it’s like 70 Some percent accurate determining whether an actual person is pregnant or not based off of their shopping habits, and they’re able to determine that prior to that person knowing that they’re pregnant. And that’s an actual thing that happened. It’s, it’s crazy. And it’s also

George Papp 41:57
improving as well, like, all Yeah, yeah.

Draeth 42:02
So looking at various points in your life, where you’re doing something that could compromise your privacy, or basically, you just giving it away for nothing, basically, find those points and just try to close those gaps. You know, make sure you always use a VPN, things like that. I mean, there’s, there’s levels of privacy to where, after a certain point, it starts affecting your daily life, where you don’t go out, do certain things, you have to build certain things to be able to surf the net, or whatever it may be, it makes it harder and harder to actually live your daily life. So the key takeaway from that, for me would be find that balance in which you’re comfortable securing your privacy, securing your data in general, while being able to maintain the lifestyle that you want. Right, just I mean, you should always have privacy. Regardless, you should always try to be private, always try to do things to where you’re not giving away your data. Now in terms of crypto, the advice I can give for that is never I don’t care what project it is, could be pirate chain could be anything else don’t. And I mean, don’t put in more money than you’re willing to lose. You know, I’ve seen people with that whole lunar crash, lose their houses lose basically their livelihood, because they threw their mortgage payments, that they throw all this stuff at it expecting that oh, yeah, I’m gonna get rich, or, you know, I’ll have enough money to do XYZ and then when the whole thing, you know, crashed on them, or the market crashed in general, they’re just, they’re screwed, and they lose their houses and everything else. So never put in more than you’re willing to lose. And if you’re going to invest in privacy coins, it’s always good to have multiple, multiple types of privacy coins, like for example, Piratechain and Monero. FIRO, Conceal all those other ones, you know, have a basket, you know, because the thing is that we’re in this together. And that’s why I also formed the BTSA, which is the blockchain privacy, security and adoption Alliance. It’s a bunch of projects that our privacy and security focus to where, you know, we’ve made one of our primary goals is to ensure that a person’s privacy and security is intact. So we’re we all we’re all working together on ensuring user privacy. So in a while, obviously, I would recommend Piratechain because I’m the captain over there. At the same time being realistic. You know, there’s you should always have multiple options. Because if one fails like For example, if you’re heavily invested in Monero, and say Monero gets de-anonymized, you’re screwed. You know. So always have multiple options, multiple currencies, things like that.

George Papp 45:14
Yeah, spread the risk. And also, I guess, going back on your old point, your previous point of privacy is so easy. I mean, the easy things in life, like in regards to tech are always the ones that, you know, your hand and your date are away. But you know, using Google, you know, potentially even using Windows, and if you can go down there sort of using Windows and Apple products, but it’s always the easy option, which sort of is the habit that gives your data away. So obviously, it’s not something that happens overnight, like you said, it’s like one or two things, here and there, you know, you fill that gap. And you gain a bit of privacy on there by using, you know, a different browser or a different type of, you know, hardware, laptop or whatever. These things come into your life slowly. And, you know, you can then transform it going forward in a more long term view instead of like trying to do everything at once and get overwhelmed by the amount of knowledge and technology behind it that you just haven’t even looked into. But yeah, that’s That’s great advice. definitely agree. And I guess I know you have to shoot. So thank you very much for joining me, and definitely want to have you on in the future to discuss, you know, that hardware wallet that’s coming out from you guys. So yeah, thank you very much for for joining. And, I guess make sure you subscribe to the podcast on iTunes or Spotify. Plus, if you’re interested in having one to one consulting to prepare your wealth for the great reset, check out the episode show notes for a link to crypto animus Also, we’ll put all the links to pirate chains material in the show notes. So definitely check that out, especially on moderate because you know if you can accept pirate chain for your services is definitely a massive step forward for adoption. And we can build a community around using this privacy tool that we have. Thanks, Captain, and hopefully it will speak soon.

Draeth 47:21
Absolutely. Thanks for having me on.

George Papp 47:22
Last one peace and love tool. Thanks for listening

Episode 6 – Max Wright: Crypto, Precious Metals & Preserving Your Wealth

George Papp from The Conscious Renegade joins Max Wright aka Contrarian Dude, a former engineer now self taught economist, educator and crypto evangelist who authored one of the first books on Bitcoin in 2013. In this episode, Max generously shares his economic insights on Bitcoin, privacy cryptocurrencies, precious metals and CBDCs with us. He eloquently breaks down how gold and silver prices are manipulated in the paper trading market, making the case for digital gold as a store of value and nimble means of preserving your wealth. Max also shares his #1 secret skill that has made him a rich man in bear markets. Finally, he leaves us with the most valuable piece of advice – his mindset for dealing with the fear of an upcoming apocalypse.

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George Papp 0:08
Hi, welcome to the conscious renegade podcast with me George Papp, helping you to be the change you wish to see in the world.

Today, we are joined by Max Wright aka Contrarian Dude of Success Council. And we’ll be discussing alternative economics and crypto to be free in the current system and the coming Great reset, I guess updates from our sides. Were looking at the membership being completed here on Cryptonomous Consulting. So that’s what we’re working on. And we will continue to do so. And when that’s live, we’ll we’ll let you guys know. So how are you, Max, and thanks for coming on.

Max Wright 1:05
I’m doing really, really well. Thank you so much for having me.

George Papp 1:08
Thank you so much for joining. Obviously, your works quite in this space. I mean, it’s quite well known in a sense. I’ve known your work for the last couple of years, with the Success Council, and also your work on YouTube, where you you give your sort of trading analysis and your views on on the crypto market currently, which is great. So I know that your stuff is, is really good work.

Max Wright 1:35
Thank you appreciate the compliment.

George Papp 1:37
Excellent. So I guess let’s start with, I guess your story and how you got into crypto. And also, I guess alternative economics because I know it’s not just really crypto you only focus on although a lot of what you’re focusing on it within but just how you got into maybe alternative economics and crypto yourself.

Max Wright 2:02
Okay, well, that one goes back a long way. So I don’t know why it’s a weird quirk of personality. But for whatever reason, I was very interested in economics might one of my favorite classes in high school was economics. And I remember asking my teachers, especially the subject of money, just because what I was interested in, and I remember asking my high school teachers, the simple question, if everyone emptied their pockets and all the bank accounts, and you counted up all the money, I didn’t know to use the word money supply at the time, I could have asked the question that much quicker. But the pockets or the bank entry chemical the money in 1900, and the accounts up all the money now is way more money now. How does money get into the system? What makes the money supply bigger without using the word money supply? And the high school economics teacher didn’t have an answer. And this guy kind of put that to bed and just kind of this is pre internet. So what are you going to do? I went I went to college, I studied engineering, but was still interested in this question. So wondering myself over the economics department, and found a couple of people is whether they were particularly high up or low down in the in the spectrum of teachers? I don’t know. But I asked them the exact same question didn’t get a good answer. And this question was just in the back of my mind, and didn’t get a good answer. And then the internet came along. And I remember I don’t even know how or why, where I was looking. But I just found a lecture by a gentleman called G. Edward Griffin. And he authored a book called The Creature from Jekyll Island. And it’s the entire book about the creation of the Federal Reserve the history of the Federal Reserve, and exactly answers the question, how does money enter the system. And so this weird curiosity that I had a teenager starts to get answered, but from there, I get introduced to the concept of money supply, G. Edward Griffin, he would be what’s called a libertarian. And so he was down. Again, none of these words mean anything to me at the time. But he’s an what would be called an Austrian economist, more so than a Keynesian economist, which is what we’re mostly familiar with. And so this is just my introduction, I didn’t go to formal schooling. So I didn’t get Keynesian ism, ran down my throat, I got a little bit in high school, and that was it. But there and now I’m in this world where I’m starting to hear these people and suddenly get information from Austrians first up and on anybody, and then I’m hearing this information and makes an enormous amount of sense to me. And then I’m hearing the stuff on the news. And it all makes no sense to me. It’s completely confusing. All the recommendations they’re giving me makes no sense and seems counterintuitive. Whereas when I learned Austrian economics, I’m just like, that makes perfect sense. And so that’s how I got into the world of economics. And then little bit of self study, YouTube comes along and all of a sudden, there’s there’s so much information out there. I just get to consume so much of this information. I started to become self taught economist starting to hear people saying, Yeah, Robert Kiyosaki, Peter Schiff. It’s like, we’re in a huge, they’re on the precipice of a huge thing. And then the 2008 crisis hits, and I was like, oh, it’s interesting. The Austrians the people I’m thinking about, they’re the ones who are saying that there’s a problem. You’ve got, you know, the head of the Federal Reserve Ben Bernanke. Keynesian He’s in the middle of the recession. He’s saying no problems are always good here. You know, 12 months later, they admit the recession started three months before, but he said that there was a problem. He said, No smooth sailing. So this is all confirmation for me that Austrian ism is where it’s at. And, again, I’ve got a fair amount of knowledge. Now that’s like, really a decade later, and time has gone on. And I realized, so I can’t Is this the biggest thing hurting society? In the world, like everything, it plagues everything, it causes the wealth gap, it causes the income inequality gap, it causes the growth of government, it causes tyranny. I mean, it’s it’s just permeates everything. The cancer that is on this world is a corrupt money system. That’s the conclusion I get to. And so now I’m like, Okay, well as a, how do I get myself out of the system? I, and how do I get the well, what do I advocate for? Who do I vote for? What steps do I take to try and make a better world, so I can help the world in whatever way I can. And the solution to that corrupt money system at the time is gold, onto the best system and something I learned very, very quickly. I’m not the first person to think of this. Plenty of people have tried to figure this out. And they get punished viciously for it. To give us a couple of highlighted examples, there are plenty of people who are like, who was like, Okay, we need the customer, the population need to escape the fiat system, the US dollar system, they need that we’re never going to do it through Congress, those guys are bought and paid for there’s trillions of dollars on the table. We’re not getting get Congress to help us. So we’re going to work. But how can we just from a bottoms up approach, grassroots? How can we do it, and people come up with things like Liberty dollar, and there’s another website called gold money, they tried to do it. And what they do is they say, Hey, guys, you know, buy gold, send it into our store in the bolt, and you’ll have an account with us. And you know, you’ll have 700 grams of gold and Bob will have 400 grams of gold. And if you are Bob 50 bucks, we can transfer that amount of gold to him. And it’s all done with like an app or an account online or whatever else, we can start to create an alternative money system. And so what I like I said, it’s been tried a number of times before I gave you a couple of examples, a little bit of research tells us what happens is under the guise of it’s being used by criminals, it’s being used to launder money, it’s being used by terrorists, we have to shut it down for your protection, they send in men with guns, police, army, SWAT squad, you name it, they’ll do it, they confiscate all of the gold. So all of the investors lost their money. And the guy who started the idea of trying to make the world a better place, he goes to jail. So and this has happens over and over and over again. And so very clearly I understand this is not going to work they they have their monopoly in this corrupt money system. All the politicians are bought and paid for they own the media, they own all of the apparatuses the, what G Edward Griffin would call a power center in society. So it’s everything from a news organization to Hollywood to you know, to protect their ability to print money out of thin air and have that ability they have bought up the FBI and the CIA and they bought up everything in order to protect it anything that could go after them is not there anymore to go after them it’s it’s in their pocket and so I got through a little bit of a depression at this point this is like a really like the world is corrupt and vicious and I say clearly for what it is and there’s just no way out. And so I can personally buy gold and buy silver and do some things so that my money is not getting depreciated and gold runs up a lot in those years and I’m working kind of well for me. But then I just happened to be hanging out in those libertarian circles hanging out in those Austrian economic circles. Someone brings to me the concept of this digital money Bitcoin and I sadly ego driven I’m like really digital money all I know digital is if it can be copied a million times. So you have an mp3 song and all of a sudden it’s copied a million times. So clearly this isn’t gonna work. But big brain Max I’m feeling all egotistical over here. Tell me about your silly magic internet money Bitcoin so that I can tell you what doesn’t work. And basically over the course of about a month every single question I raise the put the my mentor in the little Bitcoin and got gentleman by the name of trace Mayer, he has an answer for me. And I just go deeper and deeper into this. And it turns out this character of Satoshi Nakamoto has just found something absolutely incredible. He’s managed to create gold, but in a defensible way, when the government says okay, this this is run by criminals and by the way, it’s it’s Bitcoin was originally used by criminals like a big part of the user base. Early on Silk Road, you probably heard about it two dozen 1112 13 It was predominately criminals. So this gives a lot of cover for the government to say this Bitcoin thing is run by criminals. We’ve got to go after them. Now they’re going after them because their competition to their money, but it is standard practice on standard practice was a great choice of words. It is very typical, that it will be criminals because these are the people who are already outside of the system. So if you’re a drug dealer or whatever it is, you you You can’t enforce contracts, you can’t have another contract with another drug dealer. And you can’t go to the courts and say, hey, I want to sue this guy, he breached his contract. They have strict, you know, that’s the reason they have to have gangs to exist to basically enforce their own rules and protocols, and all that kind of stuff. Because they can’t exist inside the system. So they’re the first group of people to get something outside of the system and take on all of those risks. And they did that. And they grew Bitcoin to a sufficient space where it was, they proved that it was defensible, no matter how much they wanted to come and get people, they couldn’t get up, they couldn’t go and round up every drug dealer, they managed to get a big name in, the
gentleman who had created Silk Road, managed to grab him eventually, many years later, but it looked like he was going to be for years, it looked like he was going to be available, like free. Let’s say that that kind of process got us over the big hump. And it proved this defensible. So unlike the gold situation that I talked about before, the men with guns can’t come and steal the gold and put the good guys in jail can’t happen. And that was just a critically important hurdle and part of bitcoins journey. And so I’m sitting there watching it, I’m already a believer that at this stage I am I’m acquiring Bitcoin, and starting to use it and starting to get my head around it. And I had all my questions answered. And that’s where I pretty much become a disciple, it’s proved itself as a chance. And that’s really, I don’t need to be proven to beyond a reasonable doubt that bitcoins going to become the reserve currency of the world at this point. Remember, I’m in a depression for all intents and purposes, I’m a pretty happy person. So my depression wasn’t that deep. So what I mean to make light of a serious word, because I know a lot of people suffer from depression but But you remember, the feeling is quite hopeless. The they’ve got controlled by the media, the politicians, there is no solution to this corruption, we’ve got gold, okay, great. It’s it hasn’t worked. We’ve tried it. The other thing times, it does not work, men with guns will come and steal all the gold. How can we have something that is defensible and exists in the cloud, that all of a sudden, all the men with guns count for zero, and one person at a time from the bottom up, we can just opt out of the system and get out of that corruption. And by the end of this process, and all this learning, I am now a just a rabid disciple of Bitcoin, and start using my my, my hobby was kind of like economics, my skill is as a teacher. And so people kind of gravitated towards me to explain Bitcoin and all of the things that I had to trace explained to me, I found that I could kind of explain them even better than he could explain them. And so I just became a little bit of a thought leader in the space and 2012, none of my back then when my youtube channel blew up as crypto content, and I had the number one best selling book on Amazon, back then in 2013 for for Bitcoin. Now, of course, that means like a couple of 100 copies are sold, because the space was so small, but even today, you know, 10 years later, I hear a lot of people using the arguments that I crafted and wordsmith to help explain people quickly and easily what kind of Bitcoin is. And so that’s kind of the journey. And then the last kind of 10 years, I just, I hope that where I can create educational content where I can on YouTube, people can check that out on notice Contrarian Dude on on YouTube. And so yeah, that’s that’s kind of the journey to date.

George Papp 13:06
Great, excellent. Definitely check his YouTube channel. The contrarian dude, it’s, it’s got some great content, you know, all the way from the from the early days. But yeah, I think I mean, in your opinion, I mean, I know that there’s, there’s a lot of hype now and a lot of fear in the market, in the crypto market. There’s a lot of guys now who are coming out of the woodwork saying, you know, oh, is this thing going? You know, going down? Like, is it you know, basically, is the sort of hype over? And what, what would you say to that, in your, in your own opinion, where the market is right now, where it’s going? And how you see regulation coming in being a hindrance or potentially, you know, holding back some of the, the sort of the developments in crypto going forward?

Max Wright 14:02
Sure. So, so the first part of that question first, personally, no, no harm, no foul in asking those kinds of questions. Is Bitcoin gonna zero? Has it had a stay in the sun? Could it crash? All those questions are valid? I’m a skeptical mind myself. And I appreciate when skeptical minds come in and ask challenging questions. And so these are all great questions that need to be answered. It’s something that you have to answer for yourself. But I can share some of the thoughts that I had around that subject. So I’ve been around since 2012. I miss the first bubble and pop in 2011. I lived through 2013 bubble, two bubbles and pops, I lived through 2017 bubble and living through this bubble on pop 2122. And so I’ve been through a bunch of this, and I can tell you that time in the trenches counts. So back then it was way scarier. And now we’re going through it for a fourth time I’d have absolutely no fear whatsoever, and I sleep soundly having a second Giving and part of my personal wealth in Bitcoin. But I think it’s overcome so many of the big, big challenges. And I guess for people who weren’t around that, like it’s understandable like we’re not going into depth 12 The next thing I saw was like a big disastrous event. And I’m like, oh my god, the world’s falling, this thing could be over. And then someone who was around in 2011 is nothing you should have seen what happened then. And it was was way younger, it was way more fragile. It was way less proven back then. And, you know, we huddling we say, holding on for dear life is the deliberate mispronunciation of holding your Bitcoin. We, it’s not for the faint of heart, and there’s some scary times and I would live through several 80 plus percent draw downs. But with each one, it strengthens your resolve. And you understand that, that, you know, this is this is growing it I, at the end of the day, it’s growing, I don’t think anybody has held Bitcoin for 40 years and lost money, you can hold it and it goes, price goes down and you in the six month 12 months. Occasionally, it happens in the 24 months, it only happened a few times. And I think once that happened, and after 36 months, where you could have bought the exact wrong time. And if you sold 36 months later, you lost but but I think it’s never happened the price has always recovered after four years. And but there’s let me let me steal man the original argument here. Which was what if bitcoin goes to zero? Bitcoin was kind of invented 2009 We don’t really, really see it begin to take shape until kind of 2010 2011 Remember this the last financial crisis 2008 It wasn’t around them. And Bitcoin just hasn’t seen a a long drawn out 2008 global financial crisis situation, when it does is it is it going to have what it takes to get through it. It did get through much 2020 COVID locked down where everything kind of went down, went back up and kind of go through it. But what about a bigger, deeper, longer recession? So in that sense, Bitcoin is unproven. So I just wanted to kind of get that point out there to steal man the question. But having said all that, I know the space very well. I know the clientele very well, I know the different market actors, there are speculators here who don’t know anything about anything, just trying to make money. There are people who treat it like a talk a tech stock, they see the number of users grow on Facebook, and they see the number of users grow on the Bitcoin network. And they say, I’ll just treat it like a tech stock and ride waves, and they buy and sell it for that. But there’s a fairly large cohort of people like me, who really, really, really understand the problems in society, the problem with the existing financial system, the corruption at the central banks all around the world, the poverty and misery and suffering that it causes for the average citizen. And for that, that same American spirit, for lack of a better word, but to be more general to allow the world to participate, that freedom loving spirit that are in the hearts of so many people, it’s the only place to be sovereign, it’s the only place to take the world, in your own hands, it’s the only place to, to have that, that feeling of independence. And so I know there’s a very, very large cohort, like me, who will, the only reason we don’t spend put every penny into Bitcoin, is because we think the other people who might might get scared over the next few months or years, so we can buy a lot more at a cheaper price. And there’s a fairly large cohort of people. And so there are that at some point, we were like, We it’s gone down enough, you know, we could wait a little bit longer than maybe get it at an even lower price. But we just have to start scooping it up now while the price is low. And like I said, it’s a fairly large cohort. And even on these drawdowns, where they go down 50% 60% 80% It’s just us waiting money sitting on the sidelines, I myself, just right now I’m sitting on the sidelines, I think we’re gonna go down a little bit lower. And I’m just waiting to jump in and scoop up at bargain prices. And that’s my mentality. And so I know there’s a fairly large cohort for that. So personally, I know that there will always be a price for Bitcoin. And as long as there is a price, as long as it doesn’t go to zero, some things that couldn’t, if there’s a big bug in the system, if there’s a they do some kind of update, which bitcoin is notoriously very, very slow at making updates, because they test everything for years before they put it out. Other chains who are trying to catch up to Bitcoin, like the theory of the world, no harm no foul on them. I’m not a not a Maxi, built Bitcoin next up by a long stretch, but in order to try and catch up in order to keep ahead of the competition, they’re doing risky, relatively risky things, and they can do things like there’s tax and there’s people people lose money, that’s kind of things the credit says the opposite mentality, it is it is in the lead by so far, and it can be cautious and and it can be deliberate. And the nature in which it was set up is it is very, very slow. So the and the of the likelihood of something like that happening some cataclysmic event like that happening, which would break Bitcoin and send it to zero, I would argue is very, very small and of all the cryptos by orders of magnitude smaller in the world of Bitcoin. And so for me, it’s a very, very small, small risk that that risk of Bitcoin going to zero. And as long as it doesn’t go to zero, then it’s just proved itself over this decade plus timeframe, that it just gets bigger and stronger. And you can all we can look at the numbers day by day, week, by week, month by month, and see that it is attracting more and more people. And that’s because every person that gets into it, one of the best things about Bitcoin is this cool technology. It’s can be explained 50 different ways as a savings vehicle as a payment rail system as a whole bunch of other things, right. And there’s 50 different ways to reach out to the community and say, Hey, come check out this cool new product. But for me, one of the my favorite things about this is no matter why you come, you can become because you think it’s a tech stock, and you see the user base growing, so you want to buy it, you can come because you’re cool. You’re a geek, and you want to geek out at other cool technology that is blockchain, you can come because you’re a drug dealer and you want to sell drugs online at Silk Road, you can come because you’re a monetary theorists like me, doesn’t matter how you get here. Once you’re in here, the community will educate you and teach you why this is so much more than any of those things. This is the solution for humanity to solve our biggest problems in the world. And so that just creates evangelist after evangelists after evangelist and that kind of game theory mentality that’s built into the system, because it is such an incredibly good solution to such a gigantically big problem that affects every, every single person. It just grows and grows and grows. And the number of diehards out there, like myself just gets it just goes up and up over time

George Papp 21:33
really does. It’s like a It’s an amazing effect that’s happened. Soon as you get into crypto, you kind of find out what’s wrong with the current system, and why it was made, in a sense, and what it can bring to the table. So yeah, that happened to me, myself, as well working in investment banking. So it was like, I didn’t even know what it was even when, even in 2017 when we saw Bitcoin go up to 20,000 for the first time, I was just questioning what it was still, you know, just like what is this scan or whatever it is. And then, you know, after a couple of years, you realize I sort of looked into it, and I was questioning more and more how the system was. And yeah, you look and you get deeper and deeper into it. And then you start literally becoming like you said, like an evangelist where you’re, you’re looking to spread and preach to others. Why it’s it’s the solution. And it’s definitely a at least a solution to what’s currently happening out there. And especially now when we’re looking at the most volatile in my opinion time in economics in the mainstream mode. We’re looking at you know, hyperinflation events potentially happening closer to home we’re looking at what was pretty much nearly already there you know, other other issues as well so yeah, we have solutions here we just need to use them and I guess spread the word as well. So I know there’s a lot of guys in the freedom space in crypto who are into privacy coins we’ve spoken to many guys on on the privacy coin space we’ve we’ve you know we know the people at Mineiro and pirate chain I wanted to obviously know what your opinion on these coins are because you’re you cover them a little bit less obviously then then some others in the in the freedoms movement, let’s say who may be prior towards those coins. What are your opinion? What is your opinion on those coins? Compared to Bitcoin?

Max Wright 23:37
Yeah, so I think they’re really interesting. I think there’s a case for both I think that I’m definitely an anti privacy coin for a whole bunch of reasons. But I think maybe it’s just it’ll cut their time will come a little bit later. I think Bitcoin needs to do bit more of its job and a bit more of its heavy lifting first. But then once once we as we get closer and closer to a Bitcoin standard, then the jump from if bitcoin is a serious problem if the government start using Blockchain and the Bitcoin chain to start finding people harassing people whatever the jump from you know, all of the old systems to Bitcoin was so much of a bigger jump than from Bitcoin to another privacy coin or to a privacy coin the speed with which the community they come after Bitcoin and try and shut it down in any way or and start harassing individuals on I can see that you spent $3 on Silk Road or your You You You You pressed you’re a trucker protester for like in Canada didn’t so we’re gonna go and get your your Bitcoin. Now if you hold it in exchanges or whatever, it’s kind of like that’s, that’s tough on you. But if you’re holding your own private keys, and they’re doing forensics research, and then sticking the FBI on to you and like destroying your life because of some stuff, you will need, like half a dozen of those stories. And then all of a sudden, they’ll just be this one or two things. will happen, the Bitcoin community will change his protocol to introduce more privacy, or people will jump ship and move to a privacy coin. I’m not sure which one of those two is, the more likely I suspect the former is more likely, I suspect the Bitcoin code will change, if this becomes that big of a problem, and that will be something interesting to watch play out over time. But before we get there, I just don’t think we’re there quite now. And that we can get there at any time. But, you know, I think it could be that we’re a decade away from that. And during this time, bitcoins gonna explode and other things are not. Because right now, I don’t think there’s a great thirst for privacy in the Bitcoin world. And if once that thirst comes, it’ll interesting to see how we react to either Bitcoin will adapt or will move to privacy coins. But to give you an example of the kinds of people who don’t care about the, the privacy aspect right now, the biggest holder, for example, Milo, Michael, Saylor, and MicroStrategy. He actually wants to everyone to know how Bitcoin he has he tweets about it every other minute, so that you can you can see the reserves, and he wants proof of ownership, he wants you to look at his wallet, stare at his wallet, and know that he has all this Bitcoin that strengthens his balance sheet and things like that, to have proof of funds. So that’s an example of someone where they specifically do not want privacy, they would see privacy coming to the Bitcoin chain as a disadvantage. So it’s only once I think Bitcoin grows to be a bigger and bigger animal than it is, then maybe they start to come after it in different ways. But it would be a foolhardy endeavor, if they tried it, so they may not. But if they did try it, it’s a very small leap, much, much smaller leap than going from Fiat and teaching people that magic internet money is the way you’re gonna be. That’s a huge leap to get to Bitcoin. Once you’re in Bitcoin, Zagat has a problem with the system in some way, shape or form, you may get better security better thing if you either vote for this change in the Bitcoin protocol, or move to this privacy coin is a very, very small leap. And people will do that very, very quickly. And so harassing bitcoin is going to do very, very little. And so that’s kind of my thoughts on on privacy coins, I think a good concept. And I love to see the, the, they’re called alt coins, so or Manero, and pirate coin, all these kind of things, I love to spend, see him out there experimenting, testing things, doing things, trying to break things. And that way, if bitcoin ever wants to adopt some of those things to get more privacy, they have that option up their sleeve? Or maybe the Bitcoin community is too slow to adapt. And then you’ll have Mineiro, or private or any one of these privacy coins overtake Bitcoin? That’s absolutely a possibility. I don’t think it’s true, but it’s a possibility. Another point that should be added in terms of investment and things like that. In order for privacy coins to be a better investment than Bitcoin, it does not necessitate the privacy coins, bro to have your market cap than Bitcoin. If you’re starting at a much lower base, you know, your percentage increase doesn’t is what makes you the money. It’s not whether it’s a bigger chain than Bitcoin or not. So, you know, I’m not saying that it could be that privacy coins could cannot overtake Bitcoin, and don’t even come close to it, and still be a better investment in Bitcoin. So that’s something worthy of noting. So there’s a few different ways to look about I’m not sure if you want to get the philosophical approach to principled approach or the investment approach. But there’s a few different ways to look at it. And those are my thoughts on that.

George Papp 28:21
Yeah. That’s an interesting way of looking at it. I think. It’s true, actually, that it seems like I don’t see, by the looks of things right now. governments aren’t too, let’s say up to speed with how even crypto works properly. At this moment in time, however, the I know, Blockchain analysis and all this stuff is definitely getting larger and larger and more sophisticated. So I think that’s where maybe at some point, yes, you know, they could start harassing people for, you know, their transactions, because it is transparent. But there’s definitely a use case for transparent blockchains in my opinion, for sure. A lot of I don’t advocate just for private just using private blockchains is certainly use cases for transparent blockchains especially in like, you know, whether you believe in in a government government system in itself, but if we had a transparent blockchain, which is viewable by all public individuals on potential tax expenditure, for example, are where our money actually even goes, whether you believe in tax or not, let’s say, at least we would know exactly where everything’s going rather than right now. We don’t really know where any of our money’s really going to. In regards to tax expenditure, let’s be honest. So there are certainly and that’s only one use case. Really, there’s so many. But yeah, I agree. I think they could definitely coexist. I think there’s use cases on an investment side as well, for sure. Bitcoin is a stable, you know, the sort of granddaddy of crypto And you know, institutions are definitely buying it up first. So I think, you know, having wealth in there is certainly, you know, people a lot of people say it’s too expensive now and you know, it’s too late, but we’re looking to preserve our wealth as well. In a world where you know, inflation is eating up all your all your tradition, traditional fiat money. Certainly having it in Bitcoin is certainly much better than that as an option. So I mean, yeah, thanks for that. And I guess what is your, your thoughts on the future of mainstream economics? Because I know, there’s going to be massive changes, we’re looking at potential CBDCs, which was a conspiracy theory a few years ago. Now, it’s openly being talked about, in regards to potential digital dollar digital euros, or these types of currencies? How do you see this playing out? In your opinion, where, you know, we could potentially have CBD C’s and crypto almost at the same time? Or do you see like, government trying to outlaw crypto or just over regulate it to bring in CBDCs? How do you see it all working out? In that sense?

Max Wright 31:13
Yeah, and I’m sorry, you had you asked about regulation earlier, the part to your question, I forgot to go back to it. So I can do that now. So yeah, similarly, seeds are coming for sure. You say see, I used to be a conspiracy theory. Are there any conspiracy theories left? I mean, I used to believe in all of them. Now. They’re all I’m trying. I’m trying to come up with one. There’s like they’ve all been proven true at this point. Yeah. So okay, so yeah, CBDCs are coming for sure. And that’s, I mean, it’s just common sense. It’s just a, I’m not a fan of central bank currencies. But if you’re gonna have one, it’s more efficient and better to have these digital ones and running around and like armored trucks and running the ATMs and all this kind of nonsense. So of course, that’s coming. That’s just common sense. So we’re gonna have them? Are they gonna have nefarious things built in extra tracking? All those kind of things? I mean absolutely why not? They’re gonna build it. So why would they build it to have their dream spy state, I’m sure they are going to have all of those things. I do think they’ll, what’s the word, they will be side by side for some time, until eventually, I think Bitcoin kills them, or just no one wants the fiat currency. But yeah, that I mean, those things, those things will be there, and they will be around for a long time, and they’ll live side by side. And personally, I think it’s a good thing. Like, I think it speeds up the adoption of Bitcoin. As people get used to their the, the, the, the digital money, once they’re used to digital money, once again, it’s now a very small leap to move over to Bitcoin, because they’re used to the concept, they’re used to an online wallet. They’re just they’re used to it. And so that’s a very important thing. I know. People say so you know, like foreign currencies now, have these elaborate counterfeiting measures, the notes are different sizes, different colors, it also helps for the, for blind people, they can feel what note it is, depending on the size of it, and the texture and all these different things built into for the dead stitches, you’ll notice that the US dollar is in the greenback so stayed the same largely over the decades, but I had any of these cool features. And we’ve run out of the reason why. And it’s because it is basically because it would there’s a chance that it could hurt the people’s faith in dollars. So is it straight up marketing principle. So in order to keep people’s faith in the US dollar, as they keep these, these notes in one of the very old technology, they don’t put any of the new technology into the US paper currency anymore. And so there’s a little bit of a catch 22 For them, like they’re gonna have to move to this digital currency is that going to boost or lower, you know, the normies faith in the US dollar, argue it’s going to lower their faith in the US dollar, that’s, that’s what I would suggest, then all of a sudden, that that has a cost to them as well, that drives even more people to Bitcoin. So a lot of these things about the CBDCs, I think are going to be very, very good for Bitcoin, are gonna exist in tandem for quite a while, I would suggest, and that’s okay. Like I’m perfectly okay with that. So bring it on help help speed on the adoption of Bitcoin by bringing on CBDCs. We’ve talked about regulation a little bit, I can jump track to go over there. I think a few questions ago, you asked the question, I forgot to answer it, which was one of the big things that that kind of need to happen and what’s going on in that world of regulation. So I think one of the biggest things, holding back the big institutional money coming into that is a rule, a silly guideline by the IRS, which is how you have to define this and how you have to market on your balance sheet. And basically, you can buy, let’s say, a billion dollars with a Bitcoin and then by the laws released to Fortune 500 companies and all the laws, the SEC is and somewhere in that rigmarole of

law, like that, the word escapes me somewhere in that rigmarole of all that law. The way the CFOs have to mark that on their sheet, is they have to market that the value of their coins or their Bitcoin at the market as The lowest value ever was. So if you go and buy a billion dollars with a Bitcoin, and the price goes down as a gift, you want to go through a 50% drawdown. So now he’s sitting on half a billion dollars with a Bitcoin, and then the price skyrockets, right 20x. And so now you’re sitting on $10 billion of Bitcoin, when you report that to your shareholders and things on your balance sheet, you have to report it at the lowest price it was in its entire life while you held it, which is you got $10 billion worth of bitcoin, but you have to report to your shareholders that you have half a billion dollars worth of bitcoin. And so this is really, really hurting people, you’ve got companies when they held their cash that is reported as its actual value. And so you’ve got apples and you think on $200 billion cash plus, they’re watching it melt like an ice cube through inflation. But at least they have a pristine balance sheet. So when they go to borrow money, they get it at the rates at really good rates, because their their balance sheet is pristine, if they look to convert that to Bitcoin. Now, all of a sudden, the way they have to report that is on their balance sheet, the lowest price that ever was at anytime during the time they held it. And it really hurts their balance sheet, it changes how much they can borrow money from in the future and things like that. So that is a really, really big fool in the system there. That just means people cannot hold the Bitcoin in a good and easy way. And so the big institutional money, the corporations, that’s really holding them back. So that’s why I would say number one thing to fix, if we’re going to put pressure on the government to try and fix things, that would be number one. Number two, is you really got to help the SEC approve an ETF spot ETF. So at the present, there’s a futures based ETF, which I was extremely skeptical of at the time, and still am. And I still think there’s a lot of question marks over it. So a little bit of history.

The for the gold and silver prices have been, in my opinion manipulated for a very long time on the futures market. So the futures market, the gold and silver is bought and sold in huge quantities way more than even exists every single day. And so there’s a lot of people wanting exposure to the gold price, you know, I think they’re printing too much money, I want to hedge against inflation, I’m gonna go and buy $500,000 worth of gold or silver, people don’t actually get to buy gold and silver because it’s expensive to transport too expensive to secure. You gotta hire security guards to stare at it, not to get it stolen, or pay some other company to do it. And so what they do is they trade on the futures market, they buy and sell gold there. Well, the problem is on the futures market, because you’re not taking possession of gold or silver. What they can do is if there’s a huge demand for gold, there can be some some banks or some cronies on the other side, saying I’ll sell you gold, and I’ll eat the price. If the price goes up, I’ll eat it, so you’ll get your profit, but you never had to actually take the gold. And so what they can do is they can sell an infinite amount of paper gold to stop the buying pressure of gold going up. Right lots of buyers come in the price should go up with a limited supply. The problem is they can sell paper gold, like there’s pallets and pallets and pallets of paper saying that you know where the other side of this bed and at the price of gold goes up? No worries, we will lose a bit of money we’ll pay it we’re making way more money over here with the fiat money system so we can afford these losses just to keep the system alive. And gold the gold price can’t go up the silver price can’t go up. And that gold is typically the canary in the coal mine that lets you know inflation is out of control. People do not trust the central banks and you need to get out of fiat money and into gold. And so a lot of people want to get into gold they get into gold but the price doesn’t go up because they just bought paper just paper was sold paper gold was sold. And that’s it. And so they can control the gold market and have done for many decades on the futures market. So what are the SEC do they have the world begging for a spot price Bitcoin ETF meaning the you buy the in that you buy money into the ETF? The ETF goes and buys the Bitcoin? And at the end of that if you want to redeem it, you can say send me the Bitcoin don’t just send me the cash payment send me the Bitcoin and it actually take supply out of the market. They said no, we’re not going to approve that kind of ETF we’re going to approve a futures based needs its paper contracts going back and forth. Which same problem people institutions make the man inflation is a problem I want to scoop up Bitcoin, huge demand coming in, they want that the price should go up. But the the futures market is just selling paper on the other side and not giving them the real Bitcoin. Because the futures market is not redeemable in actual Bitcoin. You can’t say give me the Bitcoin at the end, you just say give me the dollars value of my profit at the end. And so I was extremely skeptical of it. I remain extremely skeptical of it. I don’t think they’re going to release a Bitcoin spot price ETF particularly soon, exactly. Because of this, we need to put a lot of pressure on them to do that. Fortunately, several other countries around the world have done that. And that’s a really good thing. Australia has it. I think Brazil has it. Canada has it. Some countries in Europe have it. So there are spot ETS there. And so that’s all kind of kind of really, really interesting and productive. And one more final thought on all this kind of topic is I will talk about game theory a little bit. We now have to Countries very, very small token countries. One, I never even heard of that it was the central Republic of Congo Central Africa, I forget. Thank you very much. You know, national GDP, I believe $2 billion. We’ve got El Salvador that was the other one was the first one, GDP $10 billion. The two, this is this is game theory, this is how it starts. And one by one, you’re just gonna see more and more sovereign states, more and more companies, more and more individuals come on. Because I mean, the reason they came on is because, again, theory, they saw people like me buying in 2012, and seeing the price go up 10,000%. And they went like, this is worth putting 1234 5% of my portfolio into that. Let’s give me some of that. And that’s how it grows. So I’m really excited by that game theory playing out that the longer you wait, the worse is going to be for you, the earlier you get in, the better it’s going to be for you. And it’s true for individuals, states, companies, etc. And right now, we’re just watching that game theory play out over many years.

George Papp 41:00
Yeah, it’s really interesting about, obviously, Central African Republic and, and El Salvador, obviously, I think we can see more and more nations will adopt Bitcoin. Let’s see how the world takes it. It obviously needs to have more, we need to inform more people and definitely spread the sort of education to more and more people to adopt it for themselves as well. And to really know the reason why, because there’s still a lot of people out there who are, who are buying, I don’t know, Shiba Inu to make some money, because they thought that, you know, it will do what Dogecoin did these sort of things, we need to sort of try and just educate a little bit, obviously, that there’s nothing wrong with someone trying to make some money, but knowing the reasons why it can really, really change the world. And that sort of message needs to be spread unless that’s what we’re doing here. Yeah, so I guess let’s move on slightly to, to your work. So the Success Council just wanted to, I guess, touch upon what what you’re doing there and what it aims to do. And and yeah, the work that you’re doing?

Max Wright 42:12
Yeah, so I’m in the Success Council was founded in 2012. And it’s basically designed to teach people how to protect and grow their wealth during very, very uncertain times. And basically, during the times of going out of control central bank, and all over the world, the central banks are out of control and printing. And so all this inflation that we’re seeing in America is quite bad. And the rest of the world, it’s even worse, for the most part. All this stuff was very, very predictable. And it’s not because of greedy corporations, group corporations didn’t get greedy in 20,020 22. They were always greedy. So it’s not that it’s just it’s very obvious what it is because it was easily predicted by the Austrian economists, which is it was the money printing, the government’s the central banks just printed money when that money enters into the into the economy, it causes inflation. And so what does that do, it causes this massive roller coaster ride at this huge spike up in prices and assets. And then there’s these big crashes, and then there’s back and forth. And so the success council was was built to basically teach people exactly what is happening, what is going to happen. And then to help them understand how the financial system works. So all of a sudden, they can see it’s like, oh, this is this is what’s going to happen, that asset class is going to go up, that asset class is going to fold down. And so it’s a really a way to just kind of protect your wealth as a bare minimum and grow your wealth. And what we’ve been able to be very good at at success counsel is jumping from asset class to asset class at the right time. And I just call this basically swimming with the current as an investor. So you know, you don’t want to if you’re a fantastic real estate broker or builder or whatever, you can make money in any market. But you didn’t need to be really on the top of your game to make money in a down market. And that’s true for stock trading. It’s true for everything, you can make money in any market everywhere. But I just figured out early, it was better to take a step back, not be the world’s greatest real estate guy, don’t be the world’s greatest crypto guy, not be the world’s greatest stock market guy. But take a step back, understand the macro economic situation, and understand which asset class was gonna go up in which class the class was gonna go down. And that way I could avoid those big pitfalls when the market crashes. And I don’t need to be a particularly great trade or anything, just by knowing which way the currents going, I can always know and swim with the current. That way, I don’t have to be the strongest swimmer to make a lot of money. And that’s just having one skill in macro economics has really helped me become very, very wealthy. And so I just wanted to share that knowledge and give people my framework. And so we teach people that with a newsletter and we teach people that with my YouTube channel, and so if people want to work from that, they’re more than welcome to follow me on YouTube and kind of go from there.

George Papp 44:36
Excellent. Yeah. So you will have all the links to the success Council in our show notes as well for everyone to to check out how you I guess personally preparing for I guess, the coming decades. Obviously, there’s a lot of volatility, the potential Great Reset of of what seems to be in the plans. So I guess Just what your personal preparations are, if any, currently in regards to that, I mean, are you preparing geographically, potentially just just you’re just moving your wealth out of the system? Just little sort of, I guess, strategies that you’re currently putting in place, if any, again, like I said, in regards to this.

Max Wright 45:22
Sure, you mentioned a couple of key ones there. But a big one, I absolutely believe that. No, there’s no price, where like, splits, sometimes I believe we’re in an absolute peak, at the top of the market, Bitcoin is going to crash and go down for a couple of years. If you don’t have any bitcoin, I still buy some bitcoin today, you’ll probably lose some money but buy it. And the reason is, things can turn on a dime. And there can be food shortages, there can be government crackdowns, they can be whatever. And even if your country is what seems like a really stable first world country, economic crisis can cause crazy things very quickly. And desperate governments do desperate things. You know, you see it in other places all the time. Like, if people like in Venezuela, people in Zimbabwe, people in Turkey, people in Ukraine, you know, when the Russians marched across the border, everyone left everything, all the money in the bank accounts gone, their home, gone, their car, their assets gone, if there had gold and silver, they could take what they could carry, and no more. That’s it, it’s gone. The one thing they could take was a thumb drive or a phrase in their head, and they could have had any amount of wealth Bitcoin with them. And it’s going to work anywhere in the world within like an hour, they can you try to use that Bitcoin to kick out back into cash and be buying food. So for absolutely everybody, it is an essential part of being a a nimble person, and going to deal with any crisis, you have to have some cryptocurrency that’s just an absolute must. On that front, next, what personal things, so actually, I’ll touch on travel first, just hat being someone who’s capable of change is a powerful thing. And I spent my 20s basically traveling all over the world, I have children now a little less mobile, haven’t traveled for a few years, but I have all those skills. And if I needed to pick my family up, take, you know, millions of dollars worth of my wealth, we could relocate in a day. And we would be very, very fine. So we’re very, very nimble. And there’s something that I worked on for decades with this in mind. And I’m very, very comfortable with my level of nimbleness in this way. And so I highly recommend people do that. Now, having said that, I also believe in the there has to be somewhere better to go to. And so I I’m nimble in case of that kind of emergency. But I also choose to position myself in a place where I think is great. I choose to position was and I have a lot of, it’s a good place to stay. For me, I have backup food at home, it’s like it’s been it’s been a grand or two. And have you know, there’s lots of companies out there who do long term food storage, just like freeze dried stuff, you buy it, it’s been a great honor to sit in a cupboard there for 20 years. And if there’s ever a food shortage, you know, you can eat for three months, six months, 12 months, however much it is You by knowing those situations that, you know, things can get hairy. And gangs can roam around looking for because they didn’t prepare. So they want to get out, look for the easy targets and steal things. So make sure that you know as long as within the law, you are armed. So have your guns, have your bullets, and all that kind of thing. So all these kinds of things just play into a preparedness mindset. And I’ve kind of done all of those things. Honestly, I did them all, like 15 years ago. And so I don’t think about them that much anymore. I just I know I’m in a very defendable position, I know that I can, I’m nimble if I need to leave, I’m strong if I need to stay. And I don’t really spend too much time thinking about it and spent a year or two kind of learning about things and implementing some of the strategies. And then I just put it away and have peace of mind on it. Think about it. So that’s kind of where I am with all of those things.

George Papp 48:35
Yeah, not being in fear of what’s what could happen is another one, just that self work still is one of those key things of not being a failure, prepare. Never be in the fear, the fear zone, because that can really paralyze you and probably make the wrong decisions. So yeah, no, thanks very

Max Wright 48:54
critically important. So and then a little bit to help with that. It’s just a thought that kind of helped me with that sunny kind of, kind of same concept. Humanity is gonna go on, right, no matter what, no matter how disaster it is, humanity is gonna go on. And, like, let’s like the worst, worst, worst, most doomsday crazy situation ever, is like half the population is perished somehow starve to death or whatever? Well, in order for you to be a survivor in that situation, and to come out and thrive, you need to be in the top 50% of human beings on the planet in terms of preparedness, resources, skills, mental health, physical health, etc. So most people in the first world can do that very, very quickly and easily. And so it’s a really, really soothing, calm thought. So once you get down this rabbit hole, and you start thinking about the threats, it’s very easy to get overwhelmed. Put yourself in a depression, put yourself in a tough place. And so just remind remember that you know, you live in the first world you’re doing just fine. And things are going to be okay, let’s just take the simple steps to make things a little better.

George Papp 49:55
That’s right. So yeah, that’s why we’re here is to make the world a better place. So, one of the podcasts was started I’m sure that’s why that’s why success council was started is to help people just you know, prepare for these types of moments and save their wealth basically. Excellent. Well, thanks. Thanks, Max for joining me today and I look forward to having you on in the future potentially. Some new projects, even on our side on your side to discuss make sure you subscribe to the podcast on iTunes or Spotify plus, obviously if you’re interested in checking out all of Max’s, Max’s stuff on success Council, we will have the links here in the show notes. So definitely check that out. So excellent peace and love to you. Thanks for listening.

Episode 5 – Mike Cobb: Ready Made Autonomous Properties in Latin America

George Papp from The Conscious Renegade joins Mike Cobb, founder of ECI Development pioneering the way for real estate and community development in Latin America. Mike left a successful 12 year career in the computer industry to pursue opportunities in the Real Estate market, accurately predicting a growing need for high quality residential housing for North American Baby Boomers. He discusses the plethora of living options in Central America such as Colombia, Costa Rica, Ecuador, Nicaragua, and Belize with a climate and lifestyle for anyone. We also talk about ECI’s new acquisition at El Zonte also known as Bitcoin Beach with many amenities such as an exotic fruit orchard, farming land, vegetable gardens and living lots of all sizes equipped with solar technology. Dive into the podcast to hear more about your options for moving to Central America whether you’re paying with crypto or fiat.

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Interview with Mike Cobb: Ready Made Autonomous Properties in Latin America

George Papp 0:08
Hi, welcome to the Conscious Renegade Podcast with me, George Papp, helping you to be the change you wish to see in the world.

Today, we’re joined by Mike Cobb of ECI development. And we’ll be discussing Alternative Living solutions to free people from the current system and coming Great reset updates from our side. I mean, we’re currently doing a new membership for our crypto animus members. We’ve got some subscribers going now, and we’re looking to really get the dashboard created. So keep a lookout for that in the coming weeks. So yeah, thanks, Mike, for coming on. And I guess how are you?

Mike Cobb 1:06
Good, George, I’m nice. I’m really happy to be here and be able to cash and have a good conversation. Because the I think, I think we, we we share a lot of similar thoughts and, and, and concerns made, but to be able to talk about these and ideas that people can address those concerns and resolve some of them. It’s, it’s, I expect it to be a very hopeful and encouraging conversation.

George Papp 1:36
Yeah, I think the the main aim is to give solutions, and the main aim at the end is to give hope, because there’s always a way out. And there’s always a way, I believe this is actually a choice anyway, in this potential game that we’re living in life. I think we have that choice. I think it’s just finding those solutions. And obviously people like yourselves who are offering that. You know, it’s great to have you on and to discuss that with our audience here. And yeah, so it’s a pleasure to have you want. So yeah, I guess the first thing is your story before we go into ECI. And what it is, and what it does, I guess your story on, on how you got to where you are now. And where you know, how well was the aha moment in regards to I need to do something in regards to sort of Alternative Living?

Mike Cobb 2:27
Well, you know, it’s interesting. So I grew up in Northwest Pennsylvania in the country. And so I’ve always been I was out. And so I’ve always really had this, this notion of, you know, preparedness resiliency, right? I mean, you know, if you’re out in the country, you know, yeah, you have your neighbors and community is really important. And when we talk a lot about that, and we do a lot of that as a business, right. But you know, you’re kind of on your own a little bit. And so this idea of being prepared and having resiliency, I guess I agree with it, right, so So I think, you know, I got it from a very, very early age. And, you know, as I grew up and went to college, and after college, got into the business world, I was in the computer business, in the Washington DC area for about 13 years, and, you know, really hit it hard, I was working for somebody else. And, and but I always knew that I wanted to kind of, you know, be an entrepreneur and, and so when I started traveling down to Belize, in 1994, and seeing opportunities to serve clients in a way that they weren’t being served here in Belize early and then other countries of Central America, but what I found was, you know, there were ways to serve people who wanted to be in this part of the world, that would give them the comfort that they needed and expected, you know, from, let’s say, a North American standard type of product, but within a greater framework of community, really, really important. But then obviously, you know, this, this idea of of resiliency brought into it as well and, and so over the years, we’ve been in business now 26 years, what we’ve really is an evolution of our ability as a company to provide this community first and foremost, because while we you know, I think a lot of us maybe like to believe that we’re you know, rugged individualists. Right. I mean, and I think that’s, that’s a real term and, and many of us see ourselves that way. It’s certainly been the culture of, you know, Northern Europe and North America for you know, a few 100 years right, this rugged individualist, pioneering and those kinds of things, but the notion of community is also very, very relevant and probably much more relevant, relevant than this, this individualism right. But but the to hang together very, very well because personal responsibility is a critical element of, of independence and freedom. And I would say that personal responsibility is actually The flip side of the Freedom coin, right? If we want freedom, we have to have personal responsibility. And that generally is individually driven. But when we’re in communities, it gives us a lot more capacity. You know, it’s the idea of plus three is six, but three times three is nine, or four plus four, I mean, the more you get, the bigger the multiplier, right? And so community lets us leverage our individual talents in ways that we can’t. And so the company has really evolved and our mission, as an organization has changed over time, to really serve a consumer mostly out of North America, maybe, you know, 80%, say, of our clients come out of North America, who are looking for something very, very different, they’re looking for, and in some ways, an escape from the nanny state right to be able to live free or be free or be more free. But these folks also tend to be very adventurous souls, right? People who are thinking about moving overseas are adventurous. So when you blend in this desire to, to, to have resiliency to have alternatives to maybe some concerns that we see as, as, as North Americans in this case, and then to be able to have options and alternatives. So that’s really the evolution of our business. And in the last five years, what we’ve also seen as a technological revolution, that allows products like solar like battery, I mean, in the last five years, the solar and battery technology has just leaps and bounds over where it was, you know, 510 years ago. And so so now you’re starting to blend in a technological evolution, or maybe even revolution on these elements. And when all three of them come together, you’ve got a very, very powerful synthesis for an alternative way of living an alternative location of living, and an alternative type of community living in and around other folks who are adventurous, want that resilient lifestyle? And so, so that’s really been the evolution of me personally, but also the evolution of of our business, and how they integrate.

George Papp 7:17
Yeah, I mean, there must have been a lot more demand for your products. So we’ll go into them shortly. But there must have been a lot more demand in the last couple of years. A lot of people obviously have noticed, much more, maybe not even nanny state anymore. It’s more of a, like a Nazi state. But let’s say, you know, I think there must be a lot more demand. And I think we’ll need to go into how easy it is for people to to actually make this move, because it can be easier than you think, in my opinion. So I guess, I guess what is what is ECI? In a very basic nutshell, a lot of people may not have heard of you guys in regards to what you you actually provide. So yeah, just a very brief overview on what ACI development is, and and some of your products.

Mike Cobb 8:07
Yeah, well, let me touch on something first, because I think your your point about a Nazi state or police state, whatever we want to call it, I mean, it the technological abilities of Big Brother, again, leaps and bounds 10 years ago, you know, we didn’t really, you know, we didn’t really see it, it wasn’t so apparent, it was happening, right? I mean, they’re building these giant supercomputer centers in Utah and other places. And I mean, and, you know, NSA has been, you know, figuring out how to crack every code there is and store information to monitor every phone call every email, you know, every everything, right? And so, artificial intelligence, on that side of things has become far more sophisticated. And then obviously, the storage capacity to do that, likewise. And, and even if we just look at things like the medical, right, the artificial intelligence overlaid on top of the metadata that’s been collected by private companies, right, you know, all the different search engines and another, Facebook and Tik Tok and Twitter and all those search engines, but you know, the social media platforms, right? So there’s an incredible amount of metadata that’s been collected, overlaid with the sword official intelligence that’s just getting incredibly sophisticated. And so this is all happening and we’ve known it’s been happening or leaks about this and leaks about that, and we’re listening to the Germans and they’re upset and you know, right. I mean, there’s all this stuff going on. But but it wasn’t until people were really forced to you know, be locked down right, close their businesses and and get vaccinated or face significant penalties. cannot fly on an airplane. If you don’t wear a mask. You cannot. Canada was much worse. I mean, I think if you don’t get vaccinated, you can’t get on public transportation or these kinds. of things right? And and so you had this incredible top down imposition of, of, of, of rules, laws, regulations, while at the same time people could very visibly see the hypocrisy of the leaders who are enforcing it without their masks, right. And so I think that that juxtaposition of this police state kind of imposition of many things, while the leadership because masks are easy, like you can’t tell if somebody’s been vaccinated or not right that you can’t see that. But you can tell if Nancy Pelosi is not wearing a mask when she’s getting your hair done for John Kerry sing on an airplane without a mask, right? Or, you know, Governor Newsom is out at the French Laundry in his fancy dinner with his friends and standing up and talking without a mask, but anyone else would get, you know, harassed or or, you know, they arrested some paddleboard or out in the Pacific Ocean out all by himself in the Pacific Ocean, because he was violating a stay at home mandate. You know, I mean, like, I’m sure the Coast Guard and police spent, you know, 10s of 1000s of dollars, if not $100,000 to send a boat into arrest this man, right? So, so so so you have this police state, but then you also have the hypocrisy of the leaders and with social media and the very visual nature of these impositions. Now, all of a sudden, people became aware of it in a big way. And so to answer the question, you ask George, yes, yes, our business grew five fold from 2019. We’re at about three and a half million dollars in sales. Last year, we were just under 25,000,024. point something. So our business went from three and a half to 25, in a two year period. And it was largely driven by people who had that not a sense, let me just call it a cent or paying attention. But it didn’t, didn’t feel so urgent, right? Maybe there was smoke, I couldn’t see the fire. But there was smoke blown and right over the over the over the ridge, right? All of a sudden, when the flames are burning across the ridge and coming down, like there’s a sense of urgency. And so yes, we we we saw a tremendous amount of action, people taking action, on on concerns that they’ve been harboring for a long time. But kind of May at that low level, kind of this isn’t great, I’m not liking it too. Holy crap, I gotta get out of here. Or at least I gotta get a plan B, some people were moving. Some people are making a plan B, and a plan B, probably probably a third of the people moving maybe a quarter of the people moving. And

you know, two thirds, three quarters, making what I call as a Plan B, which is you get a residency overseas, which again, we’ll talk about how easy that is very easy. And get residence, condo, a home, whatever overseas, so that you’re prepared, right. And if you want to use it as a vacation property, use it as a vacation property, if you want to put it in a rental program, put it a rental program, right? Or if you actually want to move into it now or have it for an emergency. And in the future. You have it right. So so so this has dramatically risen in terms of the amount of people doing it. But but also it is fairly easy. And it’s fairly affordable. It’s a lot more affordable than most people think it is. And we can go anywhere on that particular element that you want to go. George, I just want to stop and make sure I answered your question. Because I did run a I did run a trail out there. So I hope I got back to I hope I got back to what you asked.

George Papp 13:33
Yeah, you definitely did. I think the interesting thing is that we needed to have to be forced to Well, I will say a lot of people had to sort of be forced to make the change now. I guess if it wasn’t affecting your life before, like all these sorts of mandates and stuff now obviously are affecting people’s lives. But previously, you know, things were going on in the background, and it wasn’t actually in the for, for everyone to see really. And now obviously is it’s basically there for everyone to see all these sorts of these sort of technocratic, you know, communistic sort of things. And that’s kind of made people make the change they needed to do in their lives. And it’s in a sense, it’s been a real positive for me. I mean, it’s, it’s, I guess, hard to say that when you see a lot of suffering elsewhere, but I know that there’s a lot of people who have actually taken this as a positive and and actually changed their lives. It definitely happened for myself. So yeah, I guess moving on to BCIs properties because I know you’ve you’ve got communities in different sort of countries in Central America. What are the dynamics of the properties because I’ve seen some tiny homes. I guess how self sufficient are they and is there a sort of banding where you can have you know, as self sufficient as anything, so basically you are basically just fully self sufficient to some that are on grid or are they all fully self sufficient properties? What about the sizes of the properties? Are they all tiny homes? Or are there a lot of sort of other options as well? Yeah, just to sort of go over some of the properties and the areas that you’re in as well.

Mike Cobb 15:22
Sure. So, so let me let me start at the, at the big picture and work my way to, you know, specific products, right. You know, what we’ve learned over 26 years of being in business is that, you know, the different strokes for different folks, right? Some people are beach people, that’s fine, that’s good. But in Central America, you actually have three diff, totally different kinds of beach, you’ve got Caribbean, which is the under standard white sand 16 colors of blue water, blah, blah, blah, you’ve got Atlantic, which is, you know, again, the white sand for bigger waves, but it’s Atlantic Ocean. And then you’ve got Pacific Ocean, which are the big waves. And each of them are very different. And each of them have a very different feel. So even if you said, Well, I’m a beach person, you still have to kind of decide what kind of beach Do you really want, right? Because you have choice. Some people say, Well, I’m not really a beach person, I’m more of a mountain person I want to live where it’s springtime all the time, right? And so those climate types are very special, in fact that they’ve actually been probably the earliest biggest draws to places like Costa Rica, and Mexico with you know, waddle, ahora, San Miguel, Central Valley of San Jose, Costa Rica, the Central Valley. Again, these were places that people flocked to Cuenca, Ecuador, Medellin, Colombia, because it’s springtime all the time. So it’s not at the beach. It’s in the highlands. But it’s cool, cool weather. Right? And, and so, again, different climate types sort of drive different people’s interest, right? What do you like? And then then there’s the notion of, do I want to live in a city? Okay, fine. Do you want to live in a modern city? Or would you rather live in an old historic colonial city? Or do you want to live in a town? Right, because that’s a choice to? Or do you wanna live at a resort setting? Right? A lot of people wanna live in a resort setting, they want a golf course they want tennis courts, right. Other people say, You know what, I just want to farm out the middle of nowhere, right? So again, we serve, we serve many of those one on sort of all of those, but I bring them up to this particular, you know, discussion, because it’s really important for for folks to understand that, that that moving overseas, it really can be almost anything you can mix and match. You can have an old colonial city at the ocean, Cartagena, Colombia, you can have an old colonial city up in the mountains where it’s springtime all the time, Quake Ecuador, you could say well, I like that it’s always springtime, but I want to modern city, Medellin, Colombia. Well, I want to modernity at the beach. Oh, Panama City. Somebody says I love Phoenix. I love the desert. I really wish I could have desert at the beach. No problem, Cabo San Lucas, Mexico, right? Or, oh my gosh, I love Key West or I love you know, I love you know, the Turks and Caicos or Cayman Islands, but my gosh, I can’t afford $2 million. Great ambergris key Belize, it’s the Caribbean, it’s, it’s, you know, it’s Cayman Islands and British Virgin Islands for for, you know, 25% the price, right? I mean, a quarter of the price. So, again, we can kind of mix and match as consumers what we want and we can largely find it in Central and South America. So what we’ve done is today, and we started in Belize, 26 years ago, we we bought our first property in Nicaragua in 2000. We have property in Costa Rica, we have two properties in Panama. But we have a third in acquisition in Panama right now. All very different. And we have a new acquisition in progress right now in El Salvador at at El Zonte Bitcoin Beach. And, and that one is a little bit different. I mean, it’s it’s a Pacific Ocean surfing destination, but the community there will be a community of Bitcoiners and it’s being built specifically with our

partner there Mike Peterson, the godfather of Bitcoin in El Salvador. He’s the guy that got it all started there. He is our business partner, and we’re going to build a community not so much for geography per se, but for the Bitcoiners who want to in our three 350 addresses between condos homes and tiny homes right to build a village for people who are true Bitcoin maximalist, right I want to be around other people who love Bitcoin. I want to be around my tribe, so to speak. So sometimes you’re talking about a weather or or if diving in ambergris key Belize or surfing say at Gran, Pacifica, or climate type. That’s something I use. Sometimes you have those poles, in this case in El Zonte, Bitcoin Beach. It’s a tribe of Bitcoiners. And so being able to build communities for these various interests is important. Um, and so, you know, I’m gonna use our grand Pacific it just for a minute, because I think it’s the broadest of property options. So we have everything from a large home site estate, home sites and acre on the Pacific Ocean, to these tiny homes. And so the tiny homes, by the way, are 100 150 yards from the Pacific Ocean, but they start about $135,000. So you can actually have a whole home 150 yards from the Pacific Ocean for $135,000. Right, that’s a tiny home, we have I’m gonna call moderately sized homes, 12 1500 square feet, homes on the water, ocean front on the Pacific, for about $400,000. If you want one of these one acre estate lots and build them a million dollar house, you can do that. As well. But and then we have other homes that kind of range from say 150 to about 300,000 on, you know, whatever, between six, seven acre and quarter acre home sites. So it’s the whole range of things. But we have 2500 acres, we’ve got, I’ll make up a number, maybe 25 acres right now in various fruit producing species, whether it’s mangoes, sour orange, Noni. And we have several other species as well, that we have already planted as orchard fruit producing, we have probably 100 acres of corn and sorghum in season, that’s on the property, it’s continually farmed. We have some cattle on the property as well. And we just at the behest of some of our residents who have moved to grant but we have 100, we have about 100 homes under construction at this moment. And about 30 folks have moved and are renting homes in anticipation of their home being completed and then moving into their new home, we have about 30 folks that have done that. And at their behest, we’ve actually created to what I’m going to call a truck truck farm. I don’t know what else to call it. But vegetable garden kind of plots large I mean, a couple acres total of a vegetable garden, in addition to all the other agricultural elements, the tiny homes are all solar, we do run freshwater to them. And and we have one neighborhood that’s 100% solar, as well with with 1500 to about 3000 square foot homes. So it is very possible. And that’s sort of been that leap in technology, right, five, eight years ago, probably would have been a lot harder to really do big homes with solar. And get your carrying capacity through the night, you’d have to have giant banks of batteries. And now that’s shrinking of course. So. So again, we offer a very broad range of products, both from price, say, under 150,000. To a million. Right. And then the other thing what we’re doing in Nicaragua is we’re in acquisition of a couple farms close to grant Pacifica, maybe three, four miles away, where people could actually own between 10 and 15 acre farm parcels where you know that they would be you know, they could they could, you know, farm kind of pretty much anything on you know, 10 to 15 acres, whatever grows in Nicaragua, but corn, soybean, sorghum, other other crops, rice grows very well. So again, this would be these would be very, very resilient, agriculturally food resilient home sites that people could have. But even inside grand Pacific, we have a large degree of resiliency, with what we already have there. So did that answer their question, George? Again, I’m I run, I run long trails, and I think I’m covering stuff. But if I miss something, please bring it out. And let me know.

George Papp 23:48
No, you definitely since you’ve answered a few of the questions, actually, that I had. But I think, you know, I didn’t actually I was actually unaware of the fact that you guys did agriculture as well, and farming, which I was, which is, which is great. Because really, this sounds like an all in one solution for someone. You know, basically, it’s just almost like a ready made exit plan. And I think this is very important for people to know that there is this option out there. And there’s obviously a growing need to sort of move away from potentially big cities. I know you can cater for that. But I guess there’s a growing need, at least in the West to move out of those types of places to decentralize your food. decentralize your energy, especially now, as we continue moving forward. There are preconceptions in the West as well about the types of how central America is in regards to how the people are we, we know most of that is kind of propaganda. I guess any comments on like, I guess how these different nations are as places to live really. Obviously, the preconceptions of being dangerous is quite funny because I I used to live in London. and and you know, they used to say that, you know, isn’t it dangerous in other No, just going to Athens or something, also Greece is dangerous. And I’m like, you can walk down the road here in London and probably get stabbed, because that’s just how it is in London. And it’s like, I don’t know, where this kind of mentality came from, obviously, we know that they push that type of thing on the television and stuff. But I guess, yeah, just comment on on the countries that you facilitate your your properties, and just, yeah, just, I guess, put people at ease in a sense of how it is.

Mike Cobb 25:37
Look, I think it’s, it’s kind of a human nature thing. And some of it may be intentional. And I think, you know, you know, the US State Department puts different countries on their warning list based on, you know, whether they’re playing ball with the US, are they voting in line in the UN or not? Or, you know, whatever it is, right. So I think the US plays some, some political games with that. But, but I think the biggest part of this crime fear stuff actually is sort of who we are as a species, right, as human beings. And so the old notion in the media, if it bleeds, it leads, right. And so, you know, I think the news media that I mean, I don’t know that they’re trying to do anything other than sell advertising. I mean, they’re trying to do something, they’re trying to sell it, get ratings and sell advertising. That’s what they’re doing. Right? It’s an economic interest. I mean, maybe there’s some conspiratorial stuff where they’re in League, and you know, they’re pushing an agenda. And I think that happens too, of course, but but at the fundamental bottom line, they just want to sell it, they just want to sell advertising space, whether it’s paper print, or or TV or whatever, you know, screen. So if it bleeds, it leads, and therefore, what we see on the news media are all the horrible, tragic, bloody things that happen anywhere in everywhere, right? Because that that works, right works from an economic perspective for them. The reality, as you know, London can be dangerous, London can be safe. Any, any city can be dangerous, any city can be safe to factor factors. One, crime is generally local, you know, lightning can strike anywhere. It can, but it doesn’t write very often. Right? So So you know, it’s, it’s crime is local, there are certain neighborhoods in London that are far more violent than others, where your risk of being stabbed go way up versus way down, right. So there’s, there’s sort of that locality piece. And then there’s also the behavioral piece, right? If I’m out at four in the morning, and I’m trying to buy some dope, chances are, I’m putting myself at a greater risk than if I’m at home in my bed at four in the morning asleep, right? What’s the risk factor, right? One is no. One is me. So we have location, and we have behavior. And, and so so just to be very specific, you know, I moved to Nicaragua with my blonde wife, and my towheaded daughter, who was two, in 2002, I moved them to Nicaragua. And we thought we’d lived there for two, three years, we ended up staying 14 years, because my wife loved it. And we had another little daughter that came along. And George, I travel all the time, I literally was gone two to three weeks a month, leaving my wife and two daughters who don’t look Nicaraguan at all in Nicaragua, you know, for for the better part of 14 years. And, and there was zero incidents, we had no incidents in 14 years, you know, but but again, we lived in a neighborhood that was relatively safe again, lightning can strike anywhere, but the neighborhood was safe. And my wife and daughters were home in bed at four in the morning, right. So so again, from a location and a behavioral standpoint, like we took the right approach, I believe the right approach, the safe approach, right or wrong, the safe approach. And so, you know, when you look at countries, you can’t look at a country just like you can’t even look at a city. Like you can’t say, oh, London safe, London’s dangerous. Yeah, both statements are true, right. And so so when we start to look at where crime happens, and how crime happens on the behavioral side, if we choose to be safe we can be. And so as a developer, right, we look at parts of the country, where we do our business, and we find the places that are generally safe. And we don’t control people’s behavior, that people are people that do whatever they want, right? But from a location standpoint, where we developed is safe. And you know, an unproved putting I mean, I again, I I left, I felt comfortable enough to leave my wife and daughters alone in Nicaragua two to three weeks a month for 14 years. And if I thought it was dangerous, a we probably wouldn’t have lived there and be I surely would not have left them alone. You know, a couple three weeks a month so so I think that that that’s the crime issue. But let me let me give the solution The solution to the crime issue is really a trip. Right? I always tell people, the single best investment you can make is in a plane ticket and three nights hotel fare, that’s the best investment you’ll ever make. Right? Because you have to judge something for yourself what I think is safe, you might not feel as safe, right? Or as safe. I mean, it’s a spectrum, right? But the point is, is that if I get on an airplane, and I go somewhere for two or three days, four days, whatever, at the end of that 234 days, I’m gonna have a pretty good sense of whether it’s right for me from a safety standpoint, let’s call that first. But also from climate standpoint, from a friendship standpoint, from a community standpoint, from just simply, gosh, how did it feel to be there? Right? I mean, like, that’s a big deal. How did it feel to be there?

So, you know, three, four days is enough to really get a sense of that, I don’t know that that’s enough. You know, it look for for somebody getting a plan B, A, plan B is a rational decision, I need a plan B, I need a place that I can leave and move to and stay for the rest of my life. If bad stuff ever really starts happening in my home country. That’s a rational decision. Because it doesn’t really matter how much you like it or don’t like it safety’s a factor. Of course, resiliency is a factor, right? But if but if you if you feel like okay, that’s a safe area, and there’s a level of resiliency that meets my desire, right? Those Those are rational decisions, whether you like the weather or not, is irrelevant, because you’re not moving there for the weather, you’re moving there, because something horrible is happening, Paul, right. And so And for most Plan B buyers, write a plan B owner is somebody who says this is a rational decision, I might vacation there if I happen to like it, right. But but even if I don’t like it, it’s a great plan B. But at the same time, here’s the really cool thing, even if you don’t like it. So for example, I like to use the example of Hawaiian pizza, I don’t like Hawaiian pizza. But if I owned a pizza parlor, I would sell Hawaiian pizza. Why? Because it’s not about what I like. It’s about what other people like. And so the really cool thing about setting yourself up with a plan B is that you can own this home, you can get your permanent residency, and if, say you like it enough to vacation two, three weeks, four weeks a year, but the other 50 weeks a year, you can put it in a rental program, because there are lots of people who love surfing in Nicaragua who loves diving in Belize, who loves hiking in the coffee, and tea invitations in and around, you know boca de Panama islands, tropical islands, lots of people love those kinds of things, right. And so one of our businesses is to promote the rent of homes and condominiums when they’re not there. Because it’s a way for them to help offset their costs, right? Talk about making money. Because look at Plan B as a cost. Can we offset those costs? And to some degree or a little bit? A lot, all of them, maybe we make some money? e ha, that’s great, too, right? And, but But the notion of a Plan B is sort of insurance, I don’t want us to call it it’s insurance, right? And so you put it in place. And if you can, if you can get some offset cost, that’s tremendous. And if you can make a little money, that’s even more tremendous. Right? And if you knew that the vacation property, awesome, right? But that’s not why we do it, we do it because we want the plan B we want that ultimate in freedom insurance, right? And freedom insurance, by the way. You know, a lot of people look at insurance from a financial standpoint, or asset protection, protecting our assets, money, stocks, things, right. But but freedom insurances is ultimately the most important because, you know, while we we might have financial freedom if we’re a prisoner in our country, because we we don’t have a residency somewhere else, right? We don’t have a home somewhere else to go to. And things really get tight, tough and ugly. What do we really have, we might have lots of money in the bank account, but if if our life is miserable, you know where we are, and it could be tremendous somewhere else, you know, that, that, that, that that that’s why people are doing it. And, and so we’ve structured our business, in many ways to help facilitate that solution for people who want the plan B. And again, you know, it’s it’s insurance. It’s it’s, it’s, it’s a rational decision.

George Papp 34:48
It’s interesting in regards to the what you were saying previously about, actually visiting the places you know, three days and a plane ticket. It’s really true because you know, there’s always these preconceptions, but unless you actually see it for your own eyes and actually spend some time in a place, I don’t think you can actually even have the judgment. Obviously, other people will tell you probably most of the time negative things because most people unfortunately tell negative stories about most places. And most things it just drew is just what I guess humanity is drawn to in this stage. But I think it’s very interesting to say, yeah, go and go and visit those places. Even if it’s for a few days, just judge it for yourself, it might not be for you exactly. But there might be another place for you. If you’re just stuck, and you’re not seeing anywhere else than where you are. Then you can’t open your eyes to what’s potentially better for you and your family. And I think that was a really, yeah, great advice, to be honest. I know, I guess,

Mike Cobb 35:49
by the way, we, we’ve been giving that advice. For 26 years, we’ve been given the same advice for 26 years. In fact, I was. I’m in Belize right now. It’s why why I’ve got this white, beautiful white wall behind me. I’m in a borrowed conference room to get this quiet time. But, you know, I’m in Belize, and I was I was driving my golf cart, I parked my golf cart, ran upstairs to my condo, and there was a guy out on the front porch. And I had seen him three or four times, but I hadn’t spoken to him. Ron is his name. And Ron’s like, Yeah, I’m, I’m renting here. I’m getting my, my residency in Belize. And, you know, and, and he said, You know, I, I can’t remember how to come up and say, I’m think I’m gonna go to Nicaragua and check out your place there. So are you are you, you know, what are your thoughts? Where do your attention is? Well, someday I want to buy but I just didn’t want to do it. I wanted to rent. I wanted to rent and see if I liked it. And I said, Ron, that’s exactly right. I said, we tell people it sounds crazy coming from a developer, right? But we tell people at conferences, I give presentations, I write about this stuff, rent before you buy, right rent before you buy, because, you know, again, whether something hits your heart, right is a very different experience. So a lifestyle purchase is very different from a Plan B purchase, right? I think three, four days. Okay. Yeah, this is I could I could live here if I had to. It’s nice. It’s beautiful. If I’m not here, oh, yeah, I can see we can rent this place out. There’s a golf course there’s surfers. I mean, so that’s all rational stuff. Right. But if somebody and about a third, again, a third of the folks who have we’re building homes for right now at Gran Pacifica are already there or plan to move when their home is done. And, and so for those people, right, it’s a lifestyle decision, right? It’s, it’s going to be their home. And so those two evaluation processes are very different ones ahead, decision, right? Insurance, rational Plan B, the others more, I’m gonna live there, like, you know, it’s a very different different evaluation process. So, but but but but both are extremely relevant, depending on why you’re making this overseas. Ownership decision. Yeah.

George Papp 37:59
Yeah. And then goes down to, I guess, very similar to my situation, really, myself being in the Mediterranean. Unfortunately, I’m in a place where we’re in the EU. However, I like the lifestyle general, generally, in a sense, we have the beach, that’s for me, we’ve got the mountains, we’ve got a lot of the things that, you know, we like as we have community, we know people here which can help. In regards to a plan B solution for myself, as an example, I would probably look at Central America, because I know that the EU, in my opinion, as what I can see is Go is more technocratic and more controlled compared to a central America in in large numbers, right? We can see Central America is a vast land, they never really get involved in too much a war really, in records to external war anyway. So that’s an example of what I, I would suggest as a plan B for myself would be in in Central America, compared to a plan B, being where I am now, this is more of a lifestyle that I that I sort of prefer myself. Right, I guess going into more of the nitty gritty stuff, which is an English term for like the small details. I guess it’s like, more on the actual how, how easy it is for people to actually get into these properties. So what I guess is the minimum people need to put up front, is there a sort of loan opportunity? Or is there a minimum deposit that can be put on these properties? What are the price ranges? I know you already kind of mentioned that. But I guess let’s say there’s an average family in the US who they don’t have too much savings. They’re quite, you know, I guess new to this and their savings aren’t as large compared to some guys who’ve got some wealth behind them. What options do they have in a sense if they wanted to leave the US or Canada or anywhere else? And they just wanted to make this Step and then also residency as well, for those types of people who want to move there permanently. How easy is it? And what I guess is the process?

Mike Cobb 40:12
Sure. And George, I know we started a little bit late because of my internet, and I apologize, but I have got a board meeting that starts in 11 minutes. And so let me make some very specific quick answers, but also offer folks the ability to reach out to us, okay. And, and we can provide incredible specific detail the nitty gritty, as you say, on on any of the products on any of the information about loans, but very generally, what I would say is, we can offer financing on any of our products up to 80%. So they need people need to come to the table with 20%. So let’s say it’s $150,000, tiny home. Again, they’re about 129,000. But let’s call it 150. Because that’s easy math for me, they need to put $30,000 down, they can borrow the rest. So 80% financing. You know, any investment, say in Nicaragua, Grandpa Sophia over $30,000 entitles you to a residency. So the legal paperwork on that maybe is five $7,000 government fees, I don’t know, but call it seven to be safe, right? So So $150,000, home, tiny home or less. And then another, say 7000 for your lawyers and your legal fees, you actually get a home and a permanent residency in Nicaragua. So it’s pretty easy to do, right. And a lot of folks are doing that, of course, because if you have a plan B, you want a residence and you want a residency a permanent visa, so you want both. One of the things that we’ve seen a lot of people do because we serve a lot of people coming out of the crypto space. There are organizations now that will let you pledge your crypto for as collateral for a Fiat loan. So we have a lot of people who pledge their crypto and then take that cash that they get from the from the collateral in the crypto use that to downpayment or purchase a home outright. We We also accept crypto for folks who want to pay any part of their of their home or condominium with crypto, we accept, I don’t know 10 11 12 of them different ones. And again, the nitty gritty, we have all the information for folks on that. Belize flip gears just for a second British Honduras. So all the folks over in England, and the UK, who remembered is British Honduras, you know, a studio condominiums starting there about three blocks off the Caribbean. So short walks where I that’s where my condo is, it’s where I stay three blocks off the water starting at $129,000. So 134 for a beautiful studio condominium, it’s actually in a Best Western branded hotel, hotel community. So you can use it as a vacation property you can put in a rental program, but you can also live in it. We have like Ron that’s downstairs, okay, he’s, he’s a long term renter, he’s been there almost a year. So again, lots of lots of lifestyle choices, we have a Marriott property in development, that’s right on the water here in Belize, those properties start about 350 and go up. But again, a Marriott oceanfront residence on the Caribbean in the right, there’s the Caribbean ocean for for 350. So, so kind of price points, again, that sort of under 150, up to kind of whatever you want to spend kind of numbers, but But realistically, 150 to about 300 with 20%, down 80% financing conventionally, and then, you know, the crypto side of things as well being alternatives for folks who are in that space.

George Papp 43:59
Yeah, that’s, that’s amazing. Really, I really liked the fact that you accept crypto as well as an option. That’s definitely, you know, growth, I think we have to use those types of tools as well. So actually putting them in to your to developments is great into the financing side. I usually get asked for advice to give to the audience. But to be honest, I actually think you’ve, you’ve really given a lot of different strategies, different advice here throughout the call, so no need for that. I think you’ve already given so many great points, then I just have to thank you. I know you have to leave now. But I just have to say thanks for joining me today and we look forward to having you on again in the future in regards to maybe other buildings that you’re doing and other developments that will come in the future. I guess make sure you subscribe to the podcast as well guys on iTunes or Spotify. Plus, if you’re interested in having one to one consulting to prepare your wealth for the great reset, check out the episode show notes for the link to crypto animus Also, we will put all the links to ECI development stuff in the description. So definitely check that out, you will definitely be able to see all of the properties and all the details as well. But yes, gone gone, like

Mike Cobb 45:12
you asked for one piece of advice. And what I would like to offer folks is the ability to download our consumer resource guide. It’s got 15 questions, it’s got several articles. It’s got some mini country handbooks. It is a it’s about a, I don’t know, 60 70 page book of advice. Okay, so my advice to everyone is to grab the consumer resource guide, you’ll put the link there and OSHA a will reach out and provide that to you. But But the best advice is to be prepared to arm yourself with the right kinds of questions to to property ownership overseas. And this consumer resource guide is the best advice that we can ever give. It’s a distillate of 26 years of experience, 26 years of mistakes, 26 years of successes really distilled down to this one book called The consumer resource guide and, and George, we’d love to make that available to folks listening as well. And I’ll make sure Shinae sends that link so that your folks can can grab that. That’s the one piece of advice I would give, please download the consumer resource guide. And it will be a very, very valuable resource for for everybody thinking about property ownership overseas.

George Papp 46:29
Yeah, it’s just an Overview Guide. And it’s a very in depth look into to what you have options wise. So I think definitely check that out. We’ll have the link in the description and show notes as well. So thanks again, Mike. Thanks again for coming on. It’s been great and you’ve given so many sort of great key advice for for people out there. I’m sure a lot of people would definitely be interested in your in your stuff. I know I am personally as well. So Excellent. Well, good. Yes. Peace and love to you all and thanks for listening.

Thanks, Mike again.

Mike Cobb 47:01

George Papp 47:02
Thank you