Episode 5 – Mike Cobb: Ready Made Autonomous Properties in Latin America

George Papp from The Conscious Renegade joins Mike Cobb, founder of ECI Development pioneering the way for real estate and community development in Latin America. Mike left a successful 12 year career in the computer industry to pursue opportunities in the Real Estate market, accurately predicting a growing need for high quality residential housing for North American Baby Boomers. He discusses the plethora of living options in Central America such as Colombia, Costa Rica, Ecuador, Nicaragua, and Belize with a climate and lifestyle for anyone. We also talk about ECI’s new acquisition at El Zonte also known as Bitcoin Beach with many amenities such as an exotic fruit orchard, farming land, vegetable gardens and living lots of all sizes equipped with solar technology. Dive into the podcast to hear more about your options for moving to Central America whether you’re paying with crypto or fiat.

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Michael Cobb

Interview with Mike Cobb: Ready Made Autonomous Properties in Latin America

George Papp 0:08
Hi, welcome to the Conscious Renegade Podcast with me, George Papp, helping you to be the change you wish to see in the world.

Today, we’re joined by Mike Cobb of ECI development. And we’ll be discussing Alternative Living solutions to free people from the current system and coming Great reset updates from our side. I mean, we’re currently doing a new membership for our crypto animus members. We’ve got some subscribers going now, and we’re looking to really get the dashboard created. So keep a lookout for that in the coming weeks. So yeah, thanks, Mike, for coming on. And I guess how are you?

Mike Cobb 1:06
Good, George, I’m nice. I’m really happy to be here and be able to cash and have a good conversation. Because the I think, I think we, we we share a lot of similar thoughts and, and, and concerns made, but to be able to talk about these and ideas that people can address those concerns and resolve some of them. It’s, it’s, I expect it to be a very hopeful and encouraging conversation.

George Papp 1:36
Yeah, I think the the main aim is to give solutions, and the main aim at the end is to give hope, because there’s always a way out. And there’s always a way, I believe this is actually a choice anyway, in this potential game that we’re living in life. I think we have that choice. I think it’s just finding those solutions. And obviously people like yourselves who are offering that. You know, it’s great to have you on and to discuss that with our audience here. And yeah, so it’s a pleasure to have you want. So yeah, I guess the first thing is your story before we go into ECI. And what it is, and what it does, I guess your story on, on how you got to where you are now. And where you know, how well was the aha moment in regards to I need to do something in regards to sort of Alternative Living?

Mike Cobb 2:27
Well, you know, it’s interesting. So I grew up in Northwest Pennsylvania in the country. And so I’ve always been I was out. And so I’ve always really had this, this notion of, you know, preparedness resiliency, right? I mean, you know, if you’re out in the country, you know, yeah, you have your neighbors and community is really important. And when we talk a lot about that, and we do a lot of that as a business, right. But you know, you’re kind of on your own a little bit. And so this idea of being prepared and having resiliency, I guess I agree with it, right, so So I think, you know, I got it from a very, very early age. And, you know, as I grew up and went to college, and after college, got into the business world, I was in the computer business, in the Washington DC area for about 13 years, and, you know, really hit it hard, I was working for somebody else. And, and but I always knew that I wanted to kind of, you know, be an entrepreneur and, and so when I started traveling down to Belize, in 1994, and seeing opportunities to serve clients in a way that they weren’t being served here in Belize early and then other countries of Central America, but what I found was, you know, there were ways to serve people who wanted to be in this part of the world, that would give them the comfort that they needed and expected, you know, from, let’s say, a North American standard type of product, but within a greater framework of community, really, really important. But then obviously, you know, this, this idea of of resiliency brought into it as well and, and so over the years, we’ve been in business now 26 years, what we’ve really is an evolution of our ability as a company to provide this community first and foremost, because while we you know, I think a lot of us maybe like to believe that we’re you know, rugged individualists. Right. I mean, and I think that’s, that’s a real term and, and many of us see ourselves that way. It’s certainly been the culture of, you know, Northern Europe and North America for you know, a few 100 years right, this rugged individualist, pioneering and those kinds of things, but the notion of community is also very, very relevant and probably much more relevant, relevant than this, this individualism right. But but the to hang together very, very well because personal responsibility is a critical element of, of independence and freedom. And I would say that personal responsibility is actually The flip side of the Freedom coin, right? If we want freedom, we have to have personal responsibility. And that generally is individually driven. But when we’re in communities, it gives us a lot more capacity. You know, it’s the idea of plus three is six, but three times three is nine, or four plus four, I mean, the more you get, the bigger the multiplier, right? And so community lets us leverage our individual talents in ways that we can’t. And so the company has really evolved and our mission, as an organization has changed over time, to really serve a consumer mostly out of North America, maybe, you know, 80%, say, of our clients come out of North America, who are looking for something very, very different, they’re looking for, and in some ways, an escape from the nanny state right to be able to live free or be free or be more free. But these folks also tend to be very adventurous souls, right? People who are thinking about moving overseas are adventurous. So when you blend in this desire to, to, to have resiliency to have alternatives to maybe some concerns that we see as, as, as North Americans in this case, and then to be able to have options and alternatives. So that’s really the evolution of our business. And in the last five years, what we’ve also seen as a technological revolution, that allows products like solar like battery, I mean, in the last five years, the solar and battery technology has just leaps and bounds over where it was, you know, 510 years ago. And so so now you’re starting to blend in a technological evolution, or maybe even revolution on these elements. And when all three of them come together, you’ve got a very, very powerful synthesis for an alternative way of living an alternative location of living, and an alternative type of community living in and around other folks who are adventurous, want that resilient lifestyle? And so, so that’s really been the evolution of me personally, but also the evolution of of our business, and how they integrate.

George Papp 7:17
Yeah, I mean, there must have been a lot more demand for your products. So we’ll go into them shortly. But there must have been a lot more demand in the last couple of years. A lot of people obviously have noticed, much more, maybe not even nanny state anymore. It’s more of a, like a Nazi state. But let’s say, you know, I think there must be a lot more demand. And I think we’ll need to go into how easy it is for people to to actually make this move, because it can be easier than you think, in my opinion. So I guess, I guess what is what is ECI? In a very basic nutshell, a lot of people may not have heard of you guys in regards to what you you actually provide. So yeah, just a very brief overview on what ACI development is, and and some of your products.

Mike Cobb 8:07
Yeah, well, let me touch on something first, because I think your your point about a Nazi state or police state, whatever we want to call it, I mean, it the technological abilities of Big Brother, again, leaps and bounds 10 years ago, you know, we didn’t really, you know, we didn’t really see it, it wasn’t so apparent, it was happening, right? I mean, they’re building these giant supercomputer centers in Utah and other places. And I mean, and, you know, NSA has been, you know, figuring out how to crack every code there is and store information to monitor every phone call every email, you know, every everything, right? And so, artificial intelligence, on that side of things has become far more sophisticated. And then obviously, the storage capacity to do that, likewise. And, and even if we just look at things like the medical, right, the artificial intelligence overlaid on top of the metadata that’s been collected by private companies, right, you know, all the different search engines and another, Facebook and Tik Tok and Twitter and all those search engines, but you know, the social media platforms, right? So there’s an incredible amount of metadata that’s been collected, overlaid with the sword official intelligence that’s just getting incredibly sophisticated. And so this is all happening and we’ve known it’s been happening or leaks about this and leaks about that, and we’re listening to the Germans and they’re upset and you know, right. I mean, there’s all this stuff going on. But but it wasn’t until people were really forced to you know, be locked down right, close their businesses and and get vaccinated or face significant penalties. cannot fly on an airplane. If you don’t wear a mask. You cannot. Canada was much worse. I mean, I think if you don’t get vaccinated, you can’t get on public transportation or these kinds. of things right? And and so you had this incredible top down imposition of, of, of, of rules, laws, regulations, while at the same time people could very visibly see the hypocrisy of the leaders who are enforcing it without their masks, right. And so I think that that juxtaposition of this police state kind of imposition of many things, while the leadership because masks are easy, like you can’t tell if somebody’s been vaccinated or not right that you can’t see that. But you can tell if Nancy Pelosi is not wearing a mask when she’s getting your hair done for John Kerry sing on an airplane without a mask, right? Or, you know, Governor Newsom is out at the French Laundry in his fancy dinner with his friends and standing up and talking without a mask, but anyone else would get, you know, harassed or or, you know, they arrested some paddleboard or out in the Pacific Ocean out all by himself in the Pacific Ocean, because he was violating a stay at home mandate. You know, I mean, like, I’m sure the Coast Guard and police spent, you know, 10s of 1000s of dollars, if not $100,000 to send a boat into arrest this man, right? So, so so so you have this police state, but then you also have the hypocrisy of the leaders and with social media and the very visual nature of these impositions. Now, all of a sudden, people became aware of it in a big way. And so to answer the question, you ask George, yes, yes, our business grew five fold from 2019. We’re at about three and a half million dollars in sales. Last year, we were just under 25,000,024. point something. So our business went from three and a half to 25, in a two year period. And it was largely driven by people who had that not a sense, let me just call it a cent or paying attention. But it didn’t, didn’t feel so urgent, right? Maybe there was smoke, I couldn’t see the fire. But there was smoke blown and right over the over the over the ridge, right? All of a sudden, when the flames are burning across the ridge and coming down, like there’s a sense of urgency. And so yes, we we we saw a tremendous amount of action, people taking action, on on concerns that they’ve been harboring for a long time. But kind of May at that low level, kind of this isn’t great, I’m not liking it too. Holy crap, I gotta get out of here. Or at least I gotta get a plan B, some people were moving. Some people are making a plan B, and a plan B, probably probably a third of the people moving maybe a quarter of the people moving. And

you know, two thirds, three quarters, making what I call as a Plan B, which is you get a residency overseas, which again, we’ll talk about how easy that is very easy. And get residence, condo, a home, whatever overseas, so that you’re prepared, right. And if you want to use it as a vacation property, use it as a vacation property, if you want to put it in a rental program, put it a rental program, right? Or if you actually want to move into it now or have it for an emergency. And in the future. You have it right. So so so this has dramatically risen in terms of the amount of people doing it. But but also it is fairly easy. And it’s fairly affordable. It’s a lot more affordable than most people think it is. And we can go anywhere on that particular element that you want to go. George, I just want to stop and make sure I answered your question. Because I did run a I did run a trail out there. So I hope I got back to I hope I got back to what you asked.

George Papp 13:33
Yeah, you definitely did. I think the interesting thing is that we needed to have to be forced to Well, I will say a lot of people had to sort of be forced to make the change now. I guess if it wasn’t affecting your life before, like all these sorts of mandates and stuff now obviously are affecting people’s lives. But previously, you know, things were going on in the background, and it wasn’t actually in the for, for everyone to see really. And now obviously is it’s basically there for everyone to see all these sorts of these sort of technocratic, you know, communistic sort of things. And that’s kind of made people make the change they needed to do in their lives. And it’s in a sense, it’s been a real positive for me. I mean, it’s, it’s, I guess, hard to say that when you see a lot of suffering elsewhere, but I know that there’s a lot of people who have actually taken this as a positive and and actually changed their lives. It definitely happened for myself. So yeah, I guess moving on to BCIs properties because I know you’ve you’ve got communities in different sort of countries in Central America. What are the dynamics of the properties because I’ve seen some tiny homes. I guess how self sufficient are they and is there a sort of banding where you can have you know, as self sufficient as anything, so basically you are basically just fully self sufficient to some that are on grid or are they all fully self sufficient properties? What about the sizes of the properties? Are they all tiny homes? Or are there a lot of sort of other options as well? Yeah, just to sort of go over some of the properties and the areas that you’re in as well.

Mike Cobb 15:22
Sure. So, so let me let me start at the, at the big picture and work my way to, you know, specific products, right. You know, what we’ve learned over 26 years of being in business is that, you know, the different strokes for different folks, right? Some people are beach people, that’s fine, that’s good. But in Central America, you actually have three diff, totally different kinds of beach, you’ve got Caribbean, which is the under standard white sand 16 colors of blue water, blah, blah, blah, you’ve got Atlantic, which is, you know, again, the white sand for bigger waves, but it’s Atlantic Ocean. And then you’ve got Pacific Ocean, which are the big waves. And each of them are very different. And each of them have a very different feel. So even if you said, Well, I’m a beach person, you still have to kind of decide what kind of beach Do you really want, right? Because you have choice. Some people say, Well, I’m not really a beach person, I’m more of a mountain person I want to live where it’s springtime all the time, right? And so those climate types are very special, in fact that they’ve actually been probably the earliest biggest draws to places like Costa Rica, and Mexico with you know, waddle, ahora, San Miguel, Central Valley of San Jose, Costa Rica, the Central Valley. Again, these were places that people flocked to Cuenca, Ecuador, Medellin, Colombia, because it’s springtime all the time. So it’s not at the beach. It’s in the highlands. But it’s cool, cool weather. Right? And, and so, again, different climate types sort of drive different people’s interest, right? What do you like? And then then there’s the notion of, do I want to live in a city? Okay, fine. Do you want to live in a modern city? Or would you rather live in an old historic colonial city? Or do you want to live in a town? Right, because that’s a choice to? Or do you wanna live at a resort setting? Right? A lot of people wanna live in a resort setting, they want a golf course they want tennis courts, right. Other people say, You know what, I just want to farm out the middle of nowhere, right? So again, we serve, we serve many of those one on sort of all of those, but I bring them up to this particular, you know, discussion, because it’s really important for for folks to understand that, that that moving overseas, it really can be almost anything you can mix and match. You can have an old colonial city at the ocean, Cartagena, Colombia, you can have an old colonial city up in the mountains where it’s springtime all the time, Quake Ecuador, you could say well, I like that it’s always springtime, but I want to modern city, Medellin, Colombia. Well, I want to modernity at the beach. Oh, Panama City. Somebody says I love Phoenix. I love the desert. I really wish I could have desert at the beach. No problem, Cabo San Lucas, Mexico, right? Or, oh my gosh, I love Key West or I love you know, I love you know, the Turks and Caicos or Cayman Islands, but my gosh, I can’t afford $2 million. Great ambergris key Belize, it’s the Caribbean, it’s, it’s, you know, it’s Cayman Islands and British Virgin Islands for for, you know, 25% the price, right? I mean, a quarter of the price. So, again, we can kind of mix and match as consumers what we want and we can largely find it in Central and South America. So what we’ve done is today, and we started in Belize, 26 years ago, we we bought our first property in Nicaragua in 2000. We have property in Costa Rica, we have two properties in Panama. But we have a third in acquisition in Panama right now. All very different. And we have a new acquisition in progress right now in El Salvador at at El Zonte Bitcoin Beach. And, and that one is a little bit different. I mean, it’s it’s a Pacific Ocean surfing destination, but the community there will be a community of Bitcoiners and it’s being built specifically with our

partner there Mike Peterson, the godfather of Bitcoin in El Salvador. He’s the guy that got it all started there. He is our business partner, and we’re going to build a community not so much for geography per se, but for the Bitcoiners who want to in our three 350 addresses between condos homes and tiny homes right to build a village for people who are true Bitcoin maximalist, right I want to be around other people who love Bitcoin. I want to be around my tribe, so to speak. So sometimes you’re talking about a weather or or if diving in ambergris key Belize or surfing say at Gran, Pacifica, or climate type. That’s something I use. Sometimes you have those poles, in this case in El Zonte, Bitcoin Beach. It’s a tribe of Bitcoiners. And so being able to build communities for these various interests is important. Um, and so, you know, I’m gonna use our grand Pacific it just for a minute, because I think it’s the broadest of property options. So we have everything from a large home site estate, home sites and acre on the Pacific Ocean, to these tiny homes. And so the tiny homes, by the way, are 100 150 yards from the Pacific Ocean, but they start about $135,000. So you can actually have a whole home 150 yards from the Pacific Ocean for $135,000. Right, that’s a tiny home, we have I’m gonna call moderately sized homes, 12 1500 square feet, homes on the water, ocean front on the Pacific, for about $400,000. If you want one of these one acre estate lots and build them a million dollar house, you can do that. As well. But and then we have other homes that kind of range from say 150 to about 300,000 on, you know, whatever, between six, seven acre and quarter acre home sites. So it’s the whole range of things. But we have 2500 acres, we’ve got, I’ll make up a number, maybe 25 acres right now in various fruit producing species, whether it’s mangoes, sour orange, Noni. And we have several other species as well, that we have already planted as orchard fruit producing, we have probably 100 acres of corn and sorghum in season, that’s on the property, it’s continually farmed. We have some cattle on the property as well. And we just at the behest of some of our residents who have moved to grant but we have 100, we have about 100 homes under construction at this moment. And about 30 folks have moved and are renting homes in anticipation of their home being completed and then moving into their new home, we have about 30 folks that have done that. And at their behest, we’ve actually created to what I’m going to call a truck truck farm. I don’t know what else to call it. But vegetable garden kind of plots large I mean, a couple acres total of a vegetable garden, in addition to all the other agricultural elements, the tiny homes are all solar, we do run freshwater to them. And and we have one neighborhood that’s 100% solar, as well with with 1500 to about 3000 square foot homes. So it is very possible. And that’s sort of been that leap in technology, right, five, eight years ago, probably would have been a lot harder to really do big homes with solar. And get your carrying capacity through the night, you’d have to have giant banks of batteries. And now that’s shrinking of course. So. So again, we offer a very broad range of products, both from price, say, under 150,000. To a million. Right. And then the other thing what we’re doing in Nicaragua is we’re in acquisition of a couple farms close to grant Pacifica, maybe three, four miles away, where people could actually own between 10 and 15 acre farm parcels where you know that they would be you know, they could they could, you know, farm kind of pretty much anything on you know, 10 to 15 acres, whatever grows in Nicaragua, but corn, soybean, sorghum, other other crops, rice grows very well. So again, this would be these would be very, very resilient, agriculturally food resilient home sites that people could have. But even inside grand Pacific, we have a large degree of resiliency, with what we already have there. So did that answer their question, George? Again, I’m I run, I run long trails, and I think I’m covering stuff. But if I miss something, please bring it out. And let me know.

George Papp 23:48
No, you definitely since you’ve answered a few of the questions, actually, that I had. But I think, you know, I didn’t actually I was actually unaware of the fact that you guys did agriculture as well, and farming, which I was, which is, which is great. Because really, this sounds like an all in one solution for someone. You know, basically, it’s just almost like a ready made exit plan. And I think this is very important for people to know that there is this option out there. And there’s obviously a growing need to sort of move away from potentially big cities. I know you can cater for that. But I guess there’s a growing need, at least in the West to move out of those types of places to decentralize your food. decentralize your energy, especially now, as we continue moving forward. There are preconceptions in the West as well about the types of how central America is in regards to how the people are we, we know most of that is kind of propaganda. I guess any comments on like, I guess how these different nations are as places to live really. Obviously, the preconceptions of being dangerous is quite funny because I I used to live in London. and and you know, they used to say that, you know, isn’t it dangerous in other No, just going to Athens or something, also Greece is dangerous. And I’m like, you can walk down the road here in London and probably get stabbed, because that’s just how it is in London. And it’s like, I don’t know, where this kind of mentality came from, obviously, we know that they push that type of thing on the television and stuff. But I guess, yeah, just comment on on the countries that you facilitate your your properties, and just, yeah, just, I guess, put people at ease in a sense of how it is.

Mike Cobb 25:37
Look, I think it’s, it’s kind of a human nature thing. And some of it may be intentional. And I think, you know, you know, the US State Department puts different countries on their warning list based on, you know, whether they’re playing ball with the US, are they voting in line in the UN or not? Or, you know, whatever it is, right. So I think the US plays some, some political games with that. But, but I think the biggest part of this crime fear stuff actually is sort of who we are as a species, right, as human beings. And so the old notion in the media, if it bleeds, it leads, right. And so, you know, I think the news media that I mean, I don’t know that they’re trying to do anything other than sell advertising. I mean, they’re trying to do something, they’re trying to sell it, get ratings and sell advertising. That’s what they’re doing. Right? It’s an economic interest. I mean, maybe there’s some conspiratorial stuff where they’re in League, and you know, they’re pushing an agenda. And I think that happens too, of course, but but at the fundamental bottom line, they just want to sell it, they just want to sell advertising space, whether it’s paper print, or or TV or whatever, you know, screen. So if it bleeds, it leads, and therefore, what we see on the news media are all the horrible, tragic, bloody things that happen anywhere in everywhere, right? Because that that works, right works from an economic perspective for them. The reality, as you know, London can be dangerous, London can be safe. Any, any city can be dangerous, any city can be safe to factor factors. One, crime is generally local, you know, lightning can strike anywhere. It can, but it doesn’t write very often. Right? So So you know, it’s, it’s crime is local, there are certain neighborhoods in London that are far more violent than others, where your risk of being stabbed go way up versus way down, right. So there’s, there’s sort of that locality piece. And then there’s also the behavioral piece, right? If I’m out at four in the morning, and I’m trying to buy some dope, chances are, I’m putting myself at a greater risk than if I’m at home in my bed at four in the morning asleep, right? What’s the risk factor, right? One is no. One is me. So we have location, and we have behavior. And, and so so just to be very specific, you know, I moved to Nicaragua with my blonde wife, and my towheaded daughter, who was two, in 2002, I moved them to Nicaragua. And we thought we’d lived there for two, three years, we ended up staying 14 years, because my wife loved it. And we had another little daughter that came along. And George, I travel all the time, I literally was gone two to three weeks a month, leaving my wife and two daughters who don’t look Nicaraguan at all in Nicaragua, you know, for for the better part of 14 years. And, and there was zero incidents, we had no incidents in 14 years, you know, but but again, we lived in a neighborhood that was relatively safe again, lightning can strike anywhere, but the neighborhood was safe. And my wife and daughters were home in bed at four in the morning, right. So so again, from a location and a behavioral standpoint, like we took the right approach, I believe the right approach, the safe approach, right or wrong, the safe approach. And so, you know, when you look at countries, you can’t look at a country just like you can’t even look at a city. Like you can’t say, oh, London safe, London’s dangerous. Yeah, both statements are true, right. And so so when we start to look at where crime happens, and how crime happens on the behavioral side, if we choose to be safe we can be. And so as a developer, right, we look at parts of the country, where we do our business, and we find the places that are generally safe. And we don’t control people’s behavior, that people are people that do whatever they want, right? But from a location standpoint, where we developed is safe. And you know, an unproved putting I mean, I again, I I left, I felt comfortable enough to leave my wife and daughters alone in Nicaragua two to three weeks a month for 14 years. And if I thought it was dangerous, a we probably wouldn’t have lived there and be I surely would not have left them alone. You know, a couple three weeks a month so so I think that that that’s the crime issue. But let me let me give the solution The solution to the crime issue is really a trip. Right? I always tell people, the single best investment you can make is in a plane ticket and three nights hotel fare, that’s the best investment you’ll ever make. Right? Because you have to judge something for yourself what I think is safe, you might not feel as safe, right? Or as safe. I mean, it’s a spectrum, right? But the point is, is that if I get on an airplane, and I go somewhere for two or three days, four days, whatever, at the end of that 234 days, I’m gonna have a pretty good sense of whether it’s right for me from a safety standpoint, let’s call that first. But also from climate standpoint, from a friendship standpoint, from a community standpoint, from just simply, gosh, how did it feel to be there? Right? I mean, like, that’s a big deal. How did it feel to be there?

So, you know, three, four days is enough to really get a sense of that, I don’t know that that’s enough. You know, it look for for somebody getting a plan B, A, plan B is a rational decision, I need a plan B, I need a place that I can leave and move to and stay for the rest of my life. If bad stuff ever really starts happening in my home country. That’s a rational decision. Because it doesn’t really matter how much you like it or don’t like it safety’s a factor. Of course, resiliency is a factor, right? But if but if you if you feel like okay, that’s a safe area, and there’s a level of resiliency that meets my desire, right? Those Those are rational decisions, whether you like the weather or not, is irrelevant, because you’re not moving there for the weather, you’re moving there, because something horrible is happening, Paul, right. And so And for most Plan B buyers, write a plan B owner is somebody who says this is a rational decision, I might vacation there if I happen to like it, right. But but even if I don’t like it, it’s a great plan B. But at the same time, here’s the really cool thing, even if you don’t like it. So for example, I like to use the example of Hawaiian pizza, I don’t like Hawaiian pizza. But if I owned a pizza parlor, I would sell Hawaiian pizza. Why? Because it’s not about what I like. It’s about what other people like. And so the really cool thing about setting yourself up with a plan B is that you can own this home, you can get your permanent residency, and if, say you like it enough to vacation two, three weeks, four weeks a year, but the other 50 weeks a year, you can put it in a rental program, because there are lots of people who love surfing in Nicaragua who loves diving in Belize, who loves hiking in the coffee, and tea invitations in and around, you know boca de Panama islands, tropical islands, lots of people love those kinds of things, right. And so one of our businesses is to promote the rent of homes and condominiums when they’re not there. Because it’s a way for them to help offset their costs, right? Talk about making money. Because look at Plan B as a cost. Can we offset those costs? And to some degree or a little bit? A lot, all of them, maybe we make some money? e ha, that’s great, too, right? And, but But the notion of a Plan B is sort of insurance, I don’t want us to call it it’s insurance, right? And so you put it in place. And if you can, if you can get some offset cost, that’s tremendous. And if you can make a little money, that’s even more tremendous. Right? And if you knew that the vacation property, awesome, right? But that’s not why we do it, we do it because we want the plan B we want that ultimate in freedom insurance, right? And freedom insurance, by the way. You know, a lot of people look at insurance from a financial standpoint, or asset protection, protecting our assets, money, stocks, things, right. But but freedom insurances is ultimately the most important because, you know, while we we might have financial freedom if we’re a prisoner in our country, because we we don’t have a residency somewhere else, right? We don’t have a home somewhere else to go to. And things really get tight, tough and ugly. What do we really have, we might have lots of money in the bank account, but if if our life is miserable, you know where we are, and it could be tremendous somewhere else, you know, that, that, that, that that that’s why people are doing it. And, and so we’ve structured our business, in many ways to help facilitate that solution for people who want the plan B. And again, you know, it’s it’s insurance. It’s it’s, it’s, it’s a rational decision.

George Papp 34:48
It’s interesting in regards to the what you were saying previously about, actually visiting the places you know, three days and a plane ticket. It’s really true because you know, there’s always these preconceptions, but unless you actually see it for your own eyes and actually spend some time in a place, I don’t think you can actually even have the judgment. Obviously, other people will tell you probably most of the time negative things because most people unfortunately tell negative stories about most places. And most things it just drew is just what I guess humanity is drawn to in this stage. But I think it’s very interesting to say, yeah, go and go and visit those places. Even if it’s for a few days, just judge it for yourself, it might not be for you exactly. But there might be another place for you. If you’re just stuck, and you’re not seeing anywhere else than where you are. Then you can’t open your eyes to what’s potentially better for you and your family. And I think that was a really, yeah, great advice, to be honest. I know, I guess,

Mike Cobb 35:49
by the way, we, we’ve been giving that advice. For 26 years, we’ve been given the same advice for 26 years. In fact, I was. I’m in Belize right now. It’s why why I’ve got this white, beautiful white wall behind me. I’m in a borrowed conference room to get this quiet time. But, you know, I’m in Belize, and I was I was driving my golf cart, I parked my golf cart, ran upstairs to my condo, and there was a guy out on the front porch. And I had seen him three or four times, but I hadn’t spoken to him. Ron is his name. And Ron’s like, Yeah, I’m, I’m renting here. I’m getting my, my residency in Belize. And, you know, and, and he said, You know, I, I can’t remember how to come up and say, I’m think I’m gonna go to Nicaragua and check out your place there. So are you are you, you know, what are your thoughts? Where do your attention is? Well, someday I want to buy but I just didn’t want to do it. I wanted to rent. I wanted to rent and see if I liked it. And I said, Ron, that’s exactly right. I said, we tell people it sounds crazy coming from a developer, right? But we tell people at conferences, I give presentations, I write about this stuff, rent before you buy, right rent before you buy, because, you know, again, whether something hits your heart, right is a very different experience. So a lifestyle purchase is very different from a Plan B purchase, right? I think three, four days. Okay. Yeah, this is I could I could live here if I had to. It’s nice. It’s beautiful. If I’m not here, oh, yeah, I can see we can rent this place out. There’s a golf course there’s surfers. I mean, so that’s all rational stuff. Right. But if somebody and about a third, again, a third of the folks who have we’re building homes for right now at Gran Pacifica are already there or plan to move when their home is done. And, and so for those people, right, it’s a lifestyle decision, right? It’s, it’s going to be their home. And so those two evaluation processes are very different ones ahead, decision, right? Insurance, rational Plan B, the others more, I’m gonna live there, like, you know, it’s a very different different evaluation process. So, but but but but both are extremely relevant, depending on why you’re making this overseas. Ownership decision. Yeah.

George Papp 37:59
Yeah. And then goes down to, I guess, very similar to my situation, really, myself being in the Mediterranean. Unfortunately, I’m in a place where we’re in the EU. However, I like the lifestyle general, generally, in a sense, we have the beach, that’s for me, we’ve got the mountains, we’ve got a lot of the things that, you know, we like as we have community, we know people here which can help. In regards to a plan B solution for myself, as an example, I would probably look at Central America, because I know that the EU, in my opinion, as what I can see is Go is more technocratic and more controlled compared to a central America in in large numbers, right? We can see Central America is a vast land, they never really get involved in too much a war really, in records to external war anyway. So that’s an example of what I, I would suggest as a plan B for myself would be in in Central America, compared to a plan B, being where I am now, this is more of a lifestyle that I that I sort of prefer myself. Right, I guess going into more of the nitty gritty stuff, which is an English term for like the small details. I guess it’s like, more on the actual how, how easy it is for people to actually get into these properties. So what I guess is the minimum people need to put up front, is there a sort of loan opportunity? Or is there a minimum deposit that can be put on these properties? What are the price ranges? I know you already kind of mentioned that. But I guess let’s say there’s an average family in the US who they don’t have too much savings. They’re quite, you know, I guess new to this and their savings aren’t as large compared to some guys who’ve got some wealth behind them. What options do they have in a sense if they wanted to leave the US or Canada or anywhere else? And they just wanted to make this Step and then also residency as well, for those types of people who want to move there permanently. How easy is it? And what I guess is the process?

Mike Cobb 40:12
Sure. And George, I know we started a little bit late because of my internet, and I apologize, but I have got a board meeting that starts in 11 minutes. And so let me make some very specific quick answers, but also offer folks the ability to reach out to us, okay. And, and we can provide incredible specific detail the nitty gritty, as you say, on on any of the products on any of the information about loans, but very generally, what I would say is, we can offer financing on any of our products up to 80%. So they need people need to come to the table with 20%. So let’s say it’s $150,000, tiny home. Again, they’re about 129,000. But let’s call it 150. Because that’s easy math for me, they need to put $30,000 down, they can borrow the rest. So 80% financing. You know, any investment, say in Nicaragua, Grandpa Sophia over $30,000 entitles you to a residency. So the legal paperwork on that maybe is five $7,000 government fees, I don’t know, but call it seven to be safe, right? So So $150,000, home, tiny home or less. And then another, say 7000 for your lawyers and your legal fees, you actually get a home and a permanent residency in Nicaragua. So it’s pretty easy to do, right. And a lot of folks are doing that, of course, because if you have a plan B, you want a residence and you want a residency a permanent visa, so you want both. One of the things that we’ve seen a lot of people do because we serve a lot of people coming out of the crypto space. There are organizations now that will let you pledge your crypto for as collateral for a Fiat loan. So we have a lot of people who pledge their crypto and then take that cash that they get from the from the collateral in the crypto use that to downpayment or purchase a home outright. We We also accept crypto for folks who want to pay any part of their of their home or condominium with crypto, we accept, I don’t know 10 11 12 of them different ones. And again, the nitty gritty, we have all the information for folks on that. Belize flip gears just for a second British Honduras. So all the folks over in England, and the UK, who remembered is British Honduras, you know, a studio condominiums starting there about three blocks off the Caribbean. So short walks where I that’s where my condo is, it’s where I stay three blocks off the water starting at $129,000. So 134 for a beautiful studio condominium, it’s actually in a Best Western branded hotel, hotel community. So you can use it as a vacation property you can put in a rental program, but you can also live in it. We have like Ron that’s downstairs, okay, he’s, he’s a long term renter, he’s been there almost a year. So again, lots of lots of lifestyle choices, we have a Marriott property in development, that’s right on the water here in Belize, those properties start about 350 and go up. But again, a Marriott oceanfront residence on the Caribbean in the right, there’s the Caribbean ocean for for 350. So, so kind of price points, again, that sort of under 150, up to kind of whatever you want to spend kind of numbers, but But realistically, 150 to about 300 with 20%, down 80% financing conventionally, and then, you know, the crypto side of things as well being alternatives for folks who are in that space.

George Papp 43:59
Yeah, that’s, that’s amazing. Really, I really liked the fact that you accept crypto as well as an option. That’s definitely, you know, growth, I think we have to use those types of tools as well. So actually putting them in to your to developments is great into the financing side. I usually get asked for advice to give to the audience. But to be honest, I actually think you’ve, you’ve really given a lot of different strategies, different advice here throughout the call, so no need for that. I think you’ve already given so many great points, then I just have to thank you. I know you have to leave now. But I just have to say thanks for joining me today and we look forward to having you on again in the future in regards to maybe other buildings that you’re doing and other developments that will come in the future. I guess make sure you subscribe to the podcast as well guys on iTunes or Spotify. Plus, if you’re interested in having one to one consulting to prepare your wealth for the great reset, check out the episode show notes for the link to crypto animus consulting.com. Also, we will put all the links to ECI development stuff in the description. So definitely check that out, you will definitely be able to see all of the properties and all the details as well. But yes, gone gone, like

Mike Cobb 45:12
you asked for one piece of advice. And what I would like to offer folks is the ability to download our consumer resource guide. It’s got 15 questions, it’s got several articles. It’s got some mini country handbooks. It is a it’s about a, I don’t know, 60 70 page book of advice. Okay, so my advice to everyone is to grab the consumer resource guide, you’ll put the link there and OSHA a will reach out and provide that to you. But But the best advice is to be prepared to arm yourself with the right kinds of questions to to property ownership overseas. And this consumer resource guide is the best advice that we can ever give. It’s a distillate of 26 years of experience, 26 years of mistakes, 26 years of successes really distilled down to this one book called The consumer resource guide and, and George, we’d love to make that available to folks listening as well. And I’ll make sure Shinae sends that link so that your folks can can grab that. That’s the one piece of advice I would give, please download the consumer resource guide. And it will be a very, very valuable resource for for everybody thinking about property ownership overseas.

George Papp 46:29
Yeah, it’s just an Overview Guide. And it’s a very in depth look into to what you have options wise. So I think definitely check that out. We’ll have the link in the description and show notes as well. So thanks again, Mike. Thanks again for coming on. It’s been great and you’ve given so many sort of great key advice for for people out there. I’m sure a lot of people would definitely be interested in your in your stuff. I know I am personally as well. So Excellent. Well, good. Yes. Peace and love to you all and thanks for listening.

Thanks, Mike again.

Mike Cobb 47:01

George Papp 47:02
Thank you

Episode 3 – Paul The Agorist: Ecovillage Community in Mexico

George Papp from The Conscious Renegade joins Paul, who was inspired to seek like-minded individuals desiring to live harmoniously with nature in an Ecovillage. He is heavily involved in the Freedom Cell movement in Mexico and is actively working to help others break the mold of modern consumerism. In this interview, we discuss the challenges around forming communities, resolving conflicts between community members and finding the right opportunity for someone to participate in evolving an Ecovillage project. Although getting involved legally and financially in an Ecovillage with complete strangers can be a daunting task, Paul’s experiences shed light on the possibilities, enabling you to achieve your dream of living a comfortable life in nature surrounded by a supportive community.

The Conscious Renegade is an independent media organization striving to educate, engage, and empower you to be the change you want to see in the world. Whether you want to quit your nine-to-five, find financial freedom, or make a positive difference in society.

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Paul Ecovillage
Connect w/ Paul & the Ecovillage team: www.EcovillageShare.com
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Mexico Migration: https://t.me/MexicoMigrationFreedomCells

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Interview with Paul The Agorist: Ecovillage Community in Mexico

George Papp 0:08
Hi, welcome to the Conscious Renegade podcast with me, George Papp, helping you to be the change you wish to see in the world.

Today, we are joined by Paul, who is part of many freedom social movements, including ecovillage, share, and Mexico migration. And we will be discussing alternative limited living, eco villages and other relevant topics, determining strategies to free people from the current system and the coming Great Reset. How are you, Paul, thanks for coming on.

Paul 0:56
Hi, Georgie. Great to be feeling great. Ready to go.

George Papp 1:00
Thanks for coming on. I know you’ve been really busy. And you’ve obviously having a lot of projects on at the moment. But yeah, thanks for coming on again. Yeah, I guess let’s start with just sort of give a setting what your story is, and where you started, obviously, all the way till now. But where does it start your story and how you got here?

Paul 1:23
Yeah, just to say as well, your great question that yeah, thanks for it. Also, it’s been wonderful to connect with you. Just hear your passion, your energy, your vision as well. really inspiring. So really good to be on the call with you. My story, okay, I’ll do a really brief run, even though I’ll go all the way back because it kind of like, sometimes gives people some, some inspiration or more of an idea of where people’s stories begin often is a great way to understand other people and what are their motivations? I kinda had to figure it out that 10 years ago, they weren’t why why is this whole community thing so important to me, where I can’t seem to meet as many people as passionate as I am about this topic and about humans collaborating more closely with one another, to achieve greater success. In other words, creating by unifying, creating more prosperity. So there’s, there’s a bigger pie, so we all get a bigger slice of the pie kind of thing. And I think my grandmother was able to leave Czechoslovakia at the time when I was one year old, and she that was a communist country, and she wasn’t allowed to leave. So my mother didn’t see her mother for 11 years. But as soon as she was she was a pensioner essentially stopped being a taxpayer. Suddenly, the communist regime there had a heart and said, Look, I think you haven’t seen your daughter for so long. If you’d like you can, you can go to Australia, but but the only thing is, you’ll lose your pension and never get it back. And you can never return. And of course, that was an offer she was happy to accept and my family as well. So I was blessed that my grandmother with me from the age of one till 18, and she was there every day, I’d come home from school, she was there. Anyway, she was from a small village called pecan nets. And she was a really strong influence in my life, I won’t go into it anymore, I’ll start getting emotional, but, but just she had that small village kind of mentality. And she just was always there to help everyone, especially the family. And she really enjoyed giving and caring and sharing. And I find the same thing in Mexico. That’s why I felt so at home when I first came here when I was 19. And I’m a bit old, that now. It’s been about 26 years or so. But But yeah, it’s that’s kind of my main motivation for how I get in, got into community, I guess. And then then we’ve done many experiments in community, different types of urban community community gardens, a community center where we had yoga meditation, ecstatic dance, we had Friday foodie festival whenever we bring food, ideally, we definitely stressed that we only want organic food and no junk food and nothing from the bigness layers. Coca Cola has or, or, you know, main brand name junk foods or processed foods. So it was a real healing space. And that was an urban project. No, and I’ve visited many eco villages. So I guess, me that when I look back and think about why was I so inspired, it would be my family cultural background from Czechoslovakia, and my mother and my grandmother being from a small village even though my father is from Prague. And he was a lot colder and a lot more like a city kind of vibe, where my, my mother’s side were very much from a tiny village of 8000 people. Yeah,

George Papp 4:33
that’s very interesting. It’s so true, where it looks like just the the small village lifestyle is still it’s not that far away. It’s not it’s not been that many generations away. But it feels like we’ve disconnected so much from that. They just seem so different to what our usual lives are in the city or in large towns, for example, obviously in the West. But yeah, it’s nice to see that you connected with that, when was that your aha moment then? When it was?

Paul 5:07
I think in life we have so many aha moments, but definitely kind of just one moment of introspection, I’m like what you know, and I was a bit a bit deep. You know, we all going to have ups and downs in our lives and emotional shifts, and and it was one of those where I was just exhausted from the community work. And I had many of those moments when I was exhausted and tired and drained and feeling like poor me, why do I have to do this? Why do I seem to care so much when it seems so hard to motivate others to, to want to connect more with their community rather than what I call the God alone method, which ultimately, is what we’ve been trained in competition and consumerism and materialism and, and to build our own career and build our own family. And, and you know, to a degree that can work. But you know, if you really look at if you look into most multimillionaires, especially those who have made or let’s say successful people financially, a lot of them have made it at the expense of their own family and expense of their own children, their children hardly know them, or they have a really bad connection with their children or with their partner or they’ve had losses. And if you want to, if you want to have true success, see, I believe that a person who is successful you a lot of money, but their life is a train wreck. If you want true success, it’s only going to come from going back to our roots of true community where people really really live as givers rather than takers. And they want to contribute just like my grandmother always wanting to contribute. And she was an eternal wellspring of energy and generosity. It was never like, poor me, I keep giving and no one’s giving me back, she, she just had a great joy of giving. And that’s what Mexicans are like to they have a great joy of giving. So yeah, I think we have lost our way. And there’s that emptiness in a lot of people’s souls. And you see that a lot in Australia, and I’m sure in the UK and Europe, the USA, people feel like their life has no purpose and meaning. And generally that’s, that’s, that’s the mission in life to discover our purpose and meaning and really, we have to just make it up. So I make it up that I love contributing to people around me and seeing more people smile. And generally Mexico people love to see you smile and do things for you. That just put warm your heart so so yeah, I think that’s where we’ve lost. A and, and and that’s why I’ve chosen Mexico, because I think it’s just an easier environment. After many attempts in Australia. It’s yeah, it was a it was always a goal to come here. But I would have loved to have had a community remain functioning but our community and in Mexico, them collapsed. But they’re all great learning lessons.

George Papp 7:34
Yes, I guess that there, there’s always going to be challenges along the way. It’s never easy. We’re not trained to I guess know this straightaway, because we’ve been indoctrinated in, in schools. So we never knew. So we had to sort of start again, I guess. But yeah, let’s, I mean, why do you think we have to, I guess, move away from how we’re living currently. I mean, it’s pretty obvious, in my opinion, and probably most of the audience, but just to sort of reiterate why eco villages and how you see community, why we have to move away from what’s currently the current societal sort of structure, just so everyone can sort of know that.

Paul 8:15
Yeah, excellent question. And a good area for all of us to have some introspection as well, about what where their future path forward is. And one way I look at it is as well, it’s in times like these, even at the best of times, but in time, is with so much uncertainty and so much certainty that that there’s a certain small group of people that want to steer humanity in the direction that they choose. And and not necessarily the best direction for them for the vast majority of humanity. And they don’t seem to think we have a choice in the matter. And I think that’s that’s very unreasonable. It’s,

George Papp 8:48
it’s literally criminal.

Paul 8:48
So. So yeah, it’s another aspect too, is you’re correct. We’ve been trained in a certain type of living that is not helping us to collaborate effectively together, even though we can do so in a more academic format or in a dry calculating way we can work together, but ultimately, it’s sort of for our personal gain or for my family, rather than thinking about my community. And there’s some interesting parallels with good health and having a mindset of caring for your community and your community caring for you, actually has been proven through scientific study decades of scientific study that vastly improves your health and minimizes your risk of serious chronic diseases or especially heart attacks and, and problems of, of the circulatory system. So that’s an interesting segue there, maybe for another nother conversation of the day but but also Yeah, it’s it really is a time now when when we do need to relearn as you said, We’re never taught this in school or university, you know, 12 years at school and then University. Yeah, don’t don’t really cover this in any way. Because it’s not the in the best interest of the people. Those who who want to mold us to become employees in their corporations, right? So, so it is it is becoming particularly important to figure out that this has been our, our primary, it’s been our evolutionary path, to live harmoniously in communities and learn to get along with your, your fellow man. And if anyone goes to a small village, or drive anywhere in the world, that’s functions on these kinds of principles, they will see that that in effect, and we’ll have an amazing learning lesson there, tiny villages all across Mexico, just like in Europe. But here, here, there are so many small village and they have unbelievable amounts of festivals and activities, and everyone gets to participate. And, and although it’s changing, it’s going to take a lot longer for the consumerism and the competent competitive spirit and nature to fully take over, I believe, and hopefully Mexicans will be able to put up put a stall on it and and how to sort of the modernization, yeah, Facebook and, and modern culture and modern TV series, TV programming are all doing their bit to try and remove this aspect of the community kind of consciousness rather than just a self serving consciousness. So yeah, I think I think ultimately, if we get it right, we will do a lot better in community. And on that point on that, you know, there’s, there’s, I’ve seen some articles recently about how people think, you know, it’s one or the other, either we become slaves to us, that we don’t want to be a part of anymore, and we’d love to be in an alternative. And it’s either that or we’ve got to find an alternative community and almost come GPS, and it’s not really like that at all. And that was kind of the experience of just realizing, Oh, my God, we’ve all got different personalities and characteristics that people come together, it’s just too easy to end up in arguments and problems, even if people start out wanting the best for each other, you know, our habits and our, our indoctrination in those forced indoctrination camps called schools, it just kicks in by default, it’s it’s there in the, in the subconscious, if anything, and, and then we saw, we do need to actually

have options. So I call it a hybrid ecovillage system. And, you know, anyone can call what they want. But basically, it’s not just one, one ecovillage. And everyone needs to fit into this model, it’ll have something for people who, who, just to give you an example, like a normal permaculture, with animal husbandry, another section, where people actually illegally separate, and they have legal legally separate agreements, but they all all coordinate with each other. So you can have an eco village with permaculture and animal husbandry and other eco villages, for more people who are vegetarians or vegans. And then another section can be for people who want to live individually, yet benefit from some of the benefits of of these communities, but they don’t want to jump jump right in and, and mainly share land with others and share tools, you know, share, like, for example, a chainsaw share a communal kitchen, people can have a kitchen in their home as well. But but you know, maybe in the Eco village, you might be agreement between the people that you meet for dinner once a week, to just check in, make sure everyone’s feeling well and have that sense of community, if you just come to the community dinner once a month, when you’re not really living in a community, you know that that’s, you know, people need to define what what their ideals are for how they look after each other, and how many activities they participate in each week, you know, one day a week, working in the garden for three or four hours may be part of the agreement. But some people might want nothing to do with that. So that they can still be welcomed in the community because they have other amazing skills. For example, people who are very much into crypto could have incredible skills have benefited community or blockchain training or programmers or people who, you know, live live in a different way could still be a part of this sort of a hybrid eco village structure that I have have in mind based on my my years of what I call failures that make me an expert at everything that doesn’t work.

George Papp 14:01
Yeah, the thing is, right, everyone wants to live their way. So there’s always so many different facets, you can’t just be you know, here’s how an eco village works. You know, join it, if you get this. There’s so many different types of people who want to start living in this way. You’ve got obviously the vegan the meat eating differences. You’ve got also people who want an internet, potentially others don’t. You’ve also got permaculture differences over land resolution, which I think that I think the biggest base issue is actually people can’t do conflict resolution. And I think this is where I think this is where we fail with our communities, unfortunately, but hopefully, you know, I don’t know maybe this type of event that’s going on in the world at the moment potentially helps people move more into their heart space and out of the the ego which blows up everything. And that’s the reason why we can’t even have communities anymore, but I think it’s Another interesting points that go back. I know you mentioned that this, you know, the sort of elite want this sort of type of lifestyle with smart city life is ultimately a choice. I think we’re so much more powerful than we think we are. And we will, it is a choice for us, in my opinion, they can’t really force you to do anything. In my opinion, okay, they can get people with guns around. But I mean, how real is that going to happen? Is that really going to happen? They say, I believe it is a choice. And you can make that choice, it’s just a massive leap. To make that difference. We’ve just been used to feeling like a slave, and like working for the for the man and keep paying taxes and everything. Let’s, you know, let’s make that leap. And the life will be better over there. Especially now, I mean, I think society is going into ways maybe, you know, two parallel sort of types of societies where there’s going to be definitely sort of a smart city environment where people really are connected to the mainframe, which is getting ever smaller and smaller in terms of your rights and freedoms, or you’re literally going to have to go back to a ways of living that was happening sort of in our grandparents, and before that there type of life where we have to, you know, decentralized foods, decentralize everything, basically. Get everything into our own hands instead of relying on the corporation’s to provide that for us. So now, it’s great work that you’re doing. I wanted to ask, actually, how are the homes on these? On the land that you’re you’re the community land? I mean, what are the homes made? From? What kind of materials? Are these sort of Earthships? Are they tiny homes? Are they a mix of all types? Or what? Just give us an indication of of that? Yeah,

Paul 16:51
if I answer that question, great question as well. And just in response to your comment, well thought, I really do appreciate the fact that you’re you’ve also been in deep in the corporate world. Just looking at your background, the work you’ve done is really, really inspiring. And it’s great that people are like you, who have been deep inside corporate, the corporate world and also working deep in the crypto space, also genuinely very interested and passionate about and sees it as a viable solution. And one one important solution, this concept of community and getting back to the land, literally putting your hands inside the dirt. It was something that never interested in naming it just as I I just kind of evolved by having these people around me. You know, the first time one of our team wanted to do we did a monthly presentation when we first had our first project in Sydney, Australia, then we moved to the Gold Coast. And then we moved to Byron Bay Area. But but you know, one of our team and volunteers and a really good friend was a soil scientist, who also ran right next to a garbage dump, he was able to get land from the council to put a mini community garden. And it was like an educational garden for children coming from schools or school groups would come see the destructive waste and, and all of the throwaway society, when they look to the right. And when they look to the left, they see this regenerative, beautiful example of how how compost now how our waste can become our compost and create these beautiful thriving gardens and give us produce. So it was an amazing contrast. In any case, my point being, he offered to give a talk one month about soil just again to explain why I got into this concept of eco villages and gardening even now I love gardening because it I’ve seen what it does to families and to children when they come together in a garden with other families and children. It’s just actually such a fun experience and someone plays a guitar while you’re planting food and you know, the kids are doing everything wrong and planting the seeds the wrong way or what have you putting them too deep or not deep enough. And but it doesn’t matter. They’re having fun. And you know, that’s just part of the part of the activity. And that was just such as such a magical experience though. This friend wanted to give a talk. He said look at this month, we haven’t got a speaker, you know, we normally get a technologist to sign scientist or a an inventor with some amazing technology that’s been suppressed that they’ve tried to release to benefit humanity or enter. But anyway, he said he’ll talk about soil because he’s because he’s a soil scientist. And I just like cringed and inside I was like, Oh, that like how are we going to get people to come along and listen for an hour and a half to someone speaking about dirt? You know, and I need to be with my friends. So I sort of like cringed and said, Okay, well, you can talk next month about dirt. And then and then I’m freaking a little bit and I all the effort that it takes to get bums on seats in an auditorium for our monthly innovations, conversations. And anyway, on that particular day, you know, you know 50 people in the room and which was an average sort of turnout some of the we get more sometimes a little less in our little neighborhood in downtown Sydney and and then you know, I was literally brought to tears because he just explained the meaning of dirt and the meaning of soil and how if we don’t look after our dirt, we all die. And he explained that so clearly I’m like, wow. And I was in, I was emotional, because it was just this huge new revelation in my life that have how how important our soil, he’s, he’s holding a handful of soil with worms falling out of his hand, saying, This is the living soil that that gives us life and health, and then an hour and a half of that later, and I’m like, wow, that just blew me away. And, and just showed me a blind spot that I never realized I had in my life, you know, and we were living in our condominiums or white picket fence houses, you know, with hardly a garden, maybe a lawn, if we’re lucky, then, you know, maybe a gardener who does the work in the garden, then we’re just not connected to the land. So So coming back to your question, you know, it kind of relates as well, because we want to have our homes be very closely integrated with nature with the soil. And really, it’s actually that’s why so many people love gardening, but why not garden in a way that’s intelligent. That’s where permaculture comes in. And our homes have gardens all around them, where we have simple easy access to delicious fresh food. And you know, fresh tomatoes or fresh herbs tastes so much better than herbs bought in the store, that literally, you know, wither and die in two or three days in your fridge. But but you know, when you pick it fresh, I mean, I’ve literally had herbs and and produce from our local. Sometimes we drive for hours to get organic foods, it’s not sprayed with chemicals that with our friends who are farmers here in, in the in the mountains in Mexico. And we literally bring back so much food because we want a good organic healthy. Sometimes we don’t trust what’s developed in the markets in even in Mexico City here. So we so

on that food lasts up to a month in the fridge, because it was picked fresh, we sometimes help the farmer picket, just before we leave to come back to Mexico City, I do a little bit to Mexico City and other locations, by the way, although we live on the outskirts in a pine forest, if just didn’t open the window behind me so that so that you didn’t have the glaring light, but I actually live in a pine on the edge of a pine forest. So I’m on the outskirts of Mexico City, I get a lot of fresh oxygenated air from the pine trees, but but still, you know, I’d rather live in an eco village. And that’s what we’re on our way to doing shortly. So if I can mention that your way, you know, the style of homes look, ultimately, in our in our model, you know, people in other places can build with whatever materials they want, there’s plenty of opportunities to do that, for anyone who comes to Mexico already lives in Mexico. Because most states, some states have no building codes, which is awesome. And most states do have a building code in Mexico, because you could say in some ways, it’s a failed state in Mexico, although we can’t rest on our laurels. Yeah, they’re right now trying to bring in digital digital ID and mainly digital currencies, here just like they’ve done in El Salvador very quickly. And you know, and there’s there’s pros and cons to that, but it seems like it’s playing into the agenda of people getting people to normally just live in a cash economy, which keeps them safe from from that content to digital money. So you know, there needs to be a balance and people who understand the technology to apply it because it can be a double edged sword, you know, that one, one edge can benefit you and the other edge can be stabbing you in the back at the same time. So that’s another conversation we may like to have on another day. But But in our Eco village, of course, ideally would be we would be requesting and probably have it written into our Constitution that that people build with bamboo, Adobe, or, or other rammed earth, or very common here is the adobe bricks, so making bricks from Adobe, maybe maybe some some buildings with what’s called hempcrete, obviously, but also, there’s air Crete, which is a form of concrete, but it’s very lightweight and use very little concrete. You know, we enjoy the idea of having a mix of different structures earthbags Earthships, especially as well as chips are phenomenal. Your garden is basically attached to your kitchen and it’s inside your house, your garden is your food, food is actually inside your house, ideally right next to your kitchen, so you can literally reach over and grab herbs while you’re cooking. You know, and I’ve seen models of those built men, young men and Chad in Acapulco builds those pretty had visited his successful as she built for a for for a children’s home here in New Mexico, over there in Acapulco. And, yeah, I mean really, it’s just I’d like our our first day eco village here in Mexico to be a model of different building styles. But again, going back to mostly regenerative materials and and innovative forms and structures as well as ancient structures that people have used in Mexico for generations centuries. Just to give you one final comment on that. It’s interesting note that in some villages, I’ve spoken to the elders about these, these things. Yeah, one, one example of a common thread. I’ve heard from a few elders that I’ve spoken to grandmothers, grandfathers, they said, Look, my son, you know, built me a new home, he thought it was, you know, he, that I’m paraphrasing, but, you know, he bought me this new house because he wanted to give me a full new home. And it’s made of concrete, it’s really cold, especially in winter, it gets really cold and gets really hot in summer. And you know, I’ve always felt more comfortable, like, I just felt more comfortable and at home in my Adobe mud house, rather than this new, modernized modern construction made from concrete, you know, just to give you an idea of some of the benefits of living in inside more earth based materials.

George Papp 25:45
Yeah, yeah. Excellent. I mean, you know, that’s very interesting, because I’m, I’m currently on a Greek Greek island. And I know the benefits now, since moving here of Adobe style, mud and straw housing. And I’m actually in one right now an old, an older home, which has been sort of renovated, but you can you can tell now it’s getting up to, you know, 3035 degrees centigrade already. And inside the home, it’s still, you know, cool. You don’t need to run air conditioning all the time, pretty much probably never really, because they were built like that. Nowadays, the concrete homes, just completely like just not, they’re just built for real, just quick, easy way of building a home, just for mass, right. But now, I think we should go back to the old school, because I think that’s the most sustainable way. And they were built like that for a reason, especially in the sort of climates. So it’s really interesting that you were you mentioned that this even sort of in Mexico. The party used to build homes like this. Excellent. I mean, Thanks, Paul. Well, I guess, to move on, What projects are you working on? I guess for for everyone out there. What projects are you actually sort of working on right now? How are they going? And yeah, just sort of give us an overview on what you’re working on.

Paul 27:08
Yeah, look, I came to Latin America after a short trip for a month, which was lovely, because I knew I wouldn’t probably see my family for some time. I mean, I knew there was a collapse coming back, you know, how soon or how late that would be. I probably was blase a little bit like a lot of people. I just, you know, initially 20 years ago, I’m like, any minute. The whole Well, economy’s gonna collapse. You know, when I first was waking up and realizing how the banking system was a house of cards, that would be blown over but, but in the end, you know, I’ve started to get blase, I guess I answer, it’s not coming yet. Who knows? It could be another 10 years away, you know, so I spent a month in Prague and a little bit of time in Bratislava. With family with my brother and his three three children and his partner and, and my mum and dad who were not getting you know, not getting any younger though, but 78 at the time, and now they’re heading up to 82 God love them and and, and they’re thankfully they’re still still in reasonable health considering their age. Dad’s got one eye but he’s been driving with one I still drives that one and he’s been driving. Yeah. Yeah, we’ve won for for a number of years now, which I think that that’s already amazing to do that at that age. But then when I drive it seems a little concerned about that. But guys, he’s happy and he’s still still driving. But But yeah, then I came to Latin America. I didn’t know where I wanted to base myself that but I had a feeling of the Mexican I knew there was a large community here. You know, Freedom sells communities and although the in Acapulco community forming in Acapulco are inspiring to me, and you know, by all accounts, a lot of people are moving to Acapulco. In the end, Acapulco just again a big city, it’s got a bit of crime and security issues. But overall, my friends haven’t had who’ve lived there now for you know, two to three to four years, having had some of them stay there ever since they went to the first Acapulco in Acapulco, which was about five years ago now. But, you know, I felt that Mexico was going to be this, but I thought I really travel around first and before I decided where I was going to base my next main project, and I thought I had time was it time was in my favor. And I had the you know, the luxury of of saying, Look, if I’m gonna live somewhere, I want to choose the place that feels right to me, never know what was going to take four years but I spent one year in Guatemala, Belize, Panama, and Peru. And then after that, headed up to to Acapulco, in 2018. And, and that was my first in Acapulco. And, and that was that was a huge, huge eye opener and a great connection but I didn’t feel like the community in Acapulco was going to be for me and I always felt like I wanted to be close to the land so so it ended up being a in a three year journey Exodus all around Mexico, looking for were felt ideal to base myself and start a project and I made some incredible new friendships and connections and people I’m working on projects with, to different extents, in each in different villages. But I realized I’m a coastal girl living on the coast, I used to surf a little bit as well. And I just I just thrive beside the ocean or at least close to the ocean and Mexico city doesn’t help with that. It’s about six hours to Acapulco, and and also maybe five hours and and also I lived in some spillage in the Highland mountains, which is wonderful, but then I was missing the coast so so now we’re you know, our main project is eco village share, which people can find on telegram and eco village, and then share sh Ara one word. So all of those one word eco village share just connected on Telegram, a website is about to go up ecovillage share.com. It may be up by the time this recording goes up. That’s going to summarize our main project there but the way helping people to come to Mexico as well. That’s like the migration services. But we can help people settle because I’ve traveled all over Mexico over the last three years, we can help people decide what’s right for them. I’ve chosen to build our project that just as of a week ago, me and my girlfriend Frieda and another friend of ours, who’s an indigenous woman from Wahaca, she Freda has always loved Wahaca areas. So and I’ve always had great experiences in Morocco. And it is a stunning place. It actually had, they speak over 150 languages and dialects in Wahaca. And it’s the cultural and music traditional music hub of, of Mexico. So you can imagine with 150 languages and dialects that is a rich culture just for one state called the state of Oaxaca. And a lot of coast is not very developed. Although some hubs have become really popular. We just pass through Puerto Escondido when I haven’t been there for 26 years. So to see it again, just super built up and looks like a mini city over the internet on your phone is super slow. I was actually amazed like, it looks so modernized and full of details. I mean, I imagined the Wi Fi must be okay in your home. But on your phone, it’s ridiculously slow internet. And it was like that along the whole coast there. But yeah, we’ve settled on a region in the in the hinterland in the mountains, behind what tolko which is not far from Puerto Escondido, where to go and, and that’s where we’re looking to build this eco village and support people who may want to move to that area, or even live in one of our Eco villages, or as I mentioned, hybrid eco village. So there’s something pretty much rarely not a narcissist or parent, parasitic to a person like these parasitic politicians, so called elites, I prefer to compare it parasitic, the parasitic class who suck off the wealth creation of others, and often no value to society other than being a detriment to society. And yeah, so that’s, you know, ecovillage share would be one of the main projects plus migration services but anyone can contact me through telegram and visit the website at Eco village.com If they’re interested in in connecting with me there’ll be contacts for me and our team there.

George Papp 34:34
Sounds great. There’s there’s definitely a lot more people contacting me for if I know people who who are in Mexico or in Latin America to chose to move from you know, say Canada, US, even some in Europe actually interested even though it is a bit further but like, there is a lot of interest in that part of the world at the moment. I think it seems like it’s a lot easier to navigate because They’re state doesn’t sort of overreach as much, let’s say as others in the sort of EU area. Yes. And stuff like that. So, yeah, it sounds great. So you’re doing good work you’re doing, I guess, God’s work as well. I think that’s it’s an important part. So I guess, what other ways can people get involved in the project? Apart from sort of, I guess, you know, let’s say. So if they wanted to help out in the projects, not only, let’s say potentially move into the project, but actually even help the project grow? Is there a ways for people who can get involved?

Paul 35:34
Yeah, as I mentioned to you off the top of the call. Recording that we really, were focused on building the correct team as as a foundation for a successful community experience. Also, a major focus of mine is ops and branding and organic foods. That was, again, what generated our income in our communities and our projects in Australia for all of our education campaigns that we were doing in Australia. So, so big thing is, is organic food products, cooperatives, anyone who wants to be part of our cooperative or support, building new industries in the organic, we’re helping them to grow the organic industry, let’s call it in here in Mexico, then, then there’s many ways that people can get involved with, with that being involved with ethical food products help people heal, using food as medicine, and using herbs as medicine and herbal extracts, skincare range, as well as food products and supplements. So we’re doing all of that and that’s all early stages. But but that’s what we’ve done in Australia. That’s my forte, really, that’s my one of my great passions. As well as that doing youth programs and Boys to Men programs, assisting young women in their in their journey and navigating, you know, the issues that women have in this world and becoming more more capable of of wading through through the difficulties that young women can experience growing up. So we really want to help young boys and young women in in becoming resilient and enjoying their lives having happy, happy lives. There’s projects around properties, there’s projects around getting by with our youth programs, and there’ll be summer camps and winter camps for sure, as well. And the layer we’re looking at is big enough for us to have our own camping, camping grounds, you know, far away from the main main villages and the main, let’s say, urbanized areas. But, but yeah, we people can also if they want to move to an eco village, or just learn more about what we’re doing, and see if it’s right for them, or select another area of Mexico, and they may have questions about where they should choose to live in Mexico, as I said, three years plus, I look at it like a time machine, if people come and get involved with us, then they’re saving them at least three years. And with the network that our whole team has between us, you know, they’re literally Yeah, it’s taken people decades or a lifetime to build up these networks. So I would say that, you know, overall, at least from for the experience and the work I’ve done, but laying the groundwork for three years, people who get involved in any of our volunteering with us or wanting to get involved in, you know, in purchasing a share in Eco village share, then then yes, feel free to get in touch with us and and you know, any of these abovementioned projects, there’s no way to get involved either as purchasing a share. I don’t speak about too many specifics, but just to give you some some sort of broad stroke idea, there could be a share of 10,000 US dollars, which is not a lot to them, actually, you have complete security over your parcel of land here in Mexico and and then have support build your your eco eco house or using bio construction techniques, and have the whole community helping and chipping in and getting involved with with a building project on your property. You know, again, I don’t want to say this is a firm law, org or term but you know, maybe 10 days or maybe a one

a one acre site or up to a half hectare site. So you have a lot of space we don’t want to have houses cramped together. Hopefully we won’t need fences between our houses at all because we just have distance for privacy. And in lots of beautiful trees and maybe bamboo fronds and useful bamboo for construction. We can grow that in a safe manner. So it doesn’t take over the whole property. We’ve got we’ve got a lot of riverfront a beautiful river that runs all year quite a strong River at that wild river. So you know if they want to come and visit the site or have an experience just getting to know us they can get in touch and come and visit this site that we’re we’re coming close to purchasing. They can get involved if they like what they hear they could they might want to be involved financially 10,000 was just an estimate or or a just to give you some kind of some ballpark figure as well as the size but people can also come and volunteer and even volunteering if people don’t have can volunteer and and With an agreement to a certain amount of hours and a certain amount of months, then they may be able to end up having securing their their permanent place in our communities in one of our, you know, hybrid eco village communities. So, you know, volunteering, work exchange can help secure a site or a placement in our, in our country, or just getting involved coming for a short stay for a weekend or getting involved in one of our youth programs helping food preparation. It really is across the board helping us with marketing online, you can people can stay in any country in the world, and still be involved and support us with with online marketing, are we programming or assisting our team with with the financial aspects that with the work you do, that’s something we’re discussing ways that we may be able to have a mutually beneficial and rewarding experience for our, our, our people, through your your offering of your services? You know, all of that is on the table?

George Papp 41:01
Right? Yeah. It’s interesting, because you mentioned 10, let’s not take that as a figure. But let’s say 10,000. Anyway. And it’s interesting, because most people in the world now use 10,000, to put a deposit on a home, which they will then pay for 60 years until basically they die. They’re basically and you know, they’re stuck in some sort of death contract, which are mortgages. Instead, you can basically use 10,000 to basically be free in a sense, and live off the land and eat healthily. Meet people with like minds, work with, you know, it’s just an easy option, in my opinion. But many people still go down. Yeah, I’d rather live in a tent on the beach, then obviously, do that for six years. Right. So, yeah, I think the last thing we can move to is key takeaways, especially for our listeners who are new to this, just anything that you feel will be valuable for our listeners who are new to this sort of living, they may be early stages of trying to sort of be free of the system. Yeah, just anything, any advice and key strategies that maybe they can implement?

Paul 42:19
Yeah. Another wonderful point to make and a great way to close it really is where the rubber meets the road, right? It’s really where things it’s our emotional state and, and our ability to see a brighter path ahead with everything we’re seeing going on, especially in the news. I mean, I hate cars even here in Mexico driving past and you hear the propaganda coming on between the songs and and there’s no wonder people are so fearful today and so concerned and I have my moments I’m not I’m far from able to be immune to all of this, although I won’t take a vaccination vaccination for for the propaganda, right, but But yeah, we need to keep that something that we need to be working on together right in our own mindset and having the right kind of people around us so you know, people are working closely with you or, or your networks and being this positive kind of reinforcement of what’s possible. And focusing on that and realizing that we don’t need to change the entire world this is what was my great realization, if we can just change our world, our personal world and you’re living inside of a huge city you know, flat or condominium apartment, you know, working online, you know, in some ways you may be working with some great projects that’s that’s creating the change that we need to see in the world you know, and building the news to make the old building the new systems that make all these old systems and Dysfunctional Systems that no longer service making those systems obsolete. Someone can do that from being in the in the heart of the beast, let’s say in the belly of the beast and and still have a really meaningful quality of life but you know, it’s hard when you can go outside and see most of the people still wearing masks or or or just people just living in the system without any thought that what they’re a part of is not serving them than their families that their children and just continually reinforce that system and let’s say encouraging that system to continue to exist. So you know if I can give people any kind of simple advice just from my own personal experience it’s been the more that I’ve connected with the land put my hands into the dirt even literally which I thought was a waste of someone’s you know, and now I see the value of it when you do that with with a good bunch of people with friends and enjoying the entire experience sharing a meal together you know and some people playing some some acoustic guitar music and singing while you’re planting in the garden and while you’re learning from other incredible no dig gardening techniques and ways to grow food that’s easier working smarter, rather working harder. In all aspects whether that be inhaling, building or gardening of Food, forests design so we have an abundance of food, you know, you do realize that we actually live in a very abundant world, we do not need to be struggling and and the more that you have these sort of people who are implementing the solutions around us, it just helps us to reinforce that. And, you know, even if they will have to live in a city for some reason, get out into the end of the country, that’s great, but get out of the country. Find some local organization that’s running, you know, food, food, not lawns, you know, there’s food, not lawns movement, there’s the perma blitz movement, there’s, there’s probably a lot of community I know there’s a ton more than I may be incorrect with that. So Morden is a town in England, where they basically turned all their gardens into food for us, then the lady who organized that went down to the police station, and told the police look, we’re ripping up all of your your ornamentals, and planting food all through guards around the police station, they’re like, alright, you know, because they’d already they’re already thrown their way around this community and said, This is the way it’s going to leave now. So the police accepted that and there’s photos of the police station with corn growing all around it to talk on and that people people can get involved even in their communities, in finding way creative ways to to learn about community gardening, learn about bio construction, go into a permaculture, Introduction to permaculture course, or just go and join any kind of like Earthship building, or construction. Building, if that’s more your interest carpentry or building if it’s not so much gardening, but I recommend a little bit of everything. Even if it’s building a pizza oven, you know, out of Adobe or or straw bale, which is called a Cobb Cobb pizza oven. Then then, you know, that that’s that to me is really huge. It that’s the new revolution really getting involved in your community. Sustainable and as self sufficiency is really the the new right way to be radical. It’s not about becoming a revolutionary raising arms. What, what these organizations are these parasitic classes. Fear is us becoming independent, you know, self guided individuals. Yeah,

George Papp 47:15
if you if you can grow your own food, if you can build your own home, if you can have your own water. At that point, you don’t need to do a degree to well, we used to get you jobs. But now obviously, it doesn’t matter it obviously is still indoctrinations. But that was always like what we had to do let’s go to school, get a go to get a degree, get a job. But if you actually know how to grow your own food, water and build your shelter, why would you need to go and work a job you hate for the rest of your life to pay off that mortgage on that house that you probably end up resenting because it’s it’s caused you a lot of pain. Instead, learn the skills and and you can actually find a way to live in this way. And it’s easier than you think. I actually agree with you. I was fully in London at one point, up until not long ago. And now I’m in a Greek island in a village. And you know, now I’ve met people who have started an eco village, I’ve met someone who’s living off the land already building cob houses. So these are the types of things that we could do. I never knew anything about that previously, they’re not only just sort of got into it in the last month or two. And that’s, you know, starting to grow my own food already just planted some something, just get it out there. Even if it doesn’t work at first, like just start doing, you know, planting some seeds. Learn the course in permaculture or in, you know, building calm housing, like you were mentioning. Yeah, just getting it involves straightaway and, you know, just don’t be scared of it and just just basically move into that. It’s that simple. You can watch Netflix and learn nothing. All you could do, basically is what is what the options. Yeah. Thanks. Thanks again, Paul. Thanks again, I think that should wrap up the time. Thanks for joining.

Paul 49:18
Just say, just look up, look up on YouTube. So Ted Ted Talks to more than edible landscapes. So Ted Ted to Morton, edible landscapes and Ted, Ron Finley guerilla gardener. If you put in TED guerilla gardener those two videos out there probably got a few videos but they’re super inspiring videos that you know I found take it they’re old but but gold all but God, definitely, if I want to get inspired about you know, alternative ways of living, the

George Papp 49:49
nice one, I’ll include that in the show notes. So yeah, thanks for joining me today, Paul. I mean, I’m looking forward to having you on again in the future. Obviously when your projects have maybe advanced to another stage. definitely interested in having you back. I mean, I guess make sure you subscribe to the podcast on iTunes or Spotify. Plus, if you’re interested in having one to one consulting to prepare your wealth for the great reset, check out the episode show notes for a link to crypto animus consulting.com. Also, we’ll put all the links to the ecovillage share and Mexico migration and other other people’s material in the show notes. So definitely check that out. So nice one peace and love to you all. Thanks, Paul. Thanks, guys. Thanks a lot, George. Great work. Cheers. Thank you.