Interview with Chris Roxx: The American Debt Slave

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Today, we are joined by Chris Roxx, creator and host of the American Debt Slave podcast. We’ll be discussing his thoughts on the current global situation, crypto, and the Great Reset agenda. Thanks for coming on. Chris. How’s it going?

Chris R 1:19
Doing Well, thank you for having me.

George Papp 1:21
Thanks for coming on, man. I mean, you were passed over to me actually by one of the guys at Cryptonomous. Nelson,who you know well, he’s been on your podcast as well. And I instantly thought, you know, let’s have a conversation, because you’ve obviously got, you know, a lot of info in regards to what’s come sort of currently going on, I think it’s a good time to discuss with you. And obviously, where we’re both sort of doing podcasts on similar niche. So yeah, I thought we would all jump in, I think, to be honest, this jump into your story. And I guess how you got into this side of the alternative space, how you obviously came to start the podcast as well. And yeah, just give a background on yourself?

Chris R 2:08
Well, let’s just say I’ve been red pilled, since I was about 10 years old, my father lived outside the system revoked and rescinded his social security number God rest his soul. He taught me that income taxes are voluntary. And that was my very first conspiracy theory. He used to lock me in my room during Friday night parties with the IRS code. And he’d said, go ahead and define the definition of income. And then he’d locked the doors, and then come back in an hour, open it up and say, did you find it know exactly, now go to your party. So I would meet people at Friday night parties just sitting in the driveway, talking to them, you know, in a circle saying you don’t have to pay your income taxes, it says it right on the back of your W two, the very first thing it says in small print is you are not required to file period. And it’s just like, really Yeah. And so I didn’t know that when you get a job and you sign the paperwork, don’t sign one and clean yourself, go down to box seven, and put exempt right in exempt and then sign the bottom. Now they’re going to come back to you and say, Well, you could have to pay at the end of the year. And I say that’s fine, no problem, let me have all my money. And that way I can invest it and do this and do that with that money. And then I’ll pay him. And immediately the company’s I didn’t know this until I had my own company that they are more than willing to do that they even gave me a raise at Pizza for doing so they said don’t tell anybody, but we’ll just give you an extra dollar raise on top, really. And that back then was 515 an hour. So I got 615 an hour answering the phones at pizza. And that was good money and I got all my money except for FICA and Medicare but no income taxes. And I’ve never filed I choose not to file I choose to live outside the system. The only downfall to that is you cannot get traditional financing for a home you must get rich. And that is where crypto comes involved in crypto, and how you can take it out of the system away from the system and build our own economy with that. My biggest fear about crypto is that it is the mark of the beast and that’s our cashless society. And I was a little worried about that. But then these privacy tokens come out and we’ll see where the that that environment is going. But yeah, I’ve just been kind of living free and paying rents and you know, building businesses here and there. But I mean, I’ve gotten letters from the IRS saying hey, you owe $80,000 Please sign here and I’m like, Whoa, that’s contract law, buddy. I’m not gonna do in shit with that. Because once you wave your hand my father always said yes, no problem. I’m a slave, please don’t hurt me. Then they have you then they can take you to court then they have evidence against you. You’re pretty much giving your you’re giving up all of your information and claiming that they have ownership over you. And you don’t it’s a straw man concept with maritime admiralty law. I mean, I wouldn’t go down that rabbit hole is a huge one, but It’s all there on the internet, people have done much better information than than I could ever do during this podcast. But if you guys are actually interested in doing that just look up income taxes or voluntary checkout, who’s that one guy? Peter Schiff, his father, Irwin Schiff, he who was in jail died in jail a cancer because he refused to wave his hand and say, I’m a slave. And that guy went around and did seminars and taught people how not to file and encouraging people not to file. And my father said, don’t, don’t, don’t be a target, you know, avoid it, there’s a difference between tax avoidance and tax evasion. Okay, you can evade taxes by using the system using credit fraudulently filing, you know, lying on your income taxes, or you just don’t even participate and you live off cash, gold, silver and crypto.

George Papp 5:53
Yeah, there’s solutions out there. And so many people don’t know, any of this stuff, common law and, and obviously, taxes and all that. I mean, I urge everyone like, like you said, to really look into that. Because you can, it’s not evading it’s, it’s actually you’re right, and you just need to know the right ways of going about it. Get stuck in you know, potentially their their jaws basically. Right. Right. Yeah. I mean, going back to what you were talking about with, with, I think we should go to the privacy crypto stuff, actually, I think and like crypto itself. And, I mean, I was a big crypto fan, you know, Bitcoin as well, and all of this sort of transparent coins. And then after a while, kind of like seeing promotions of crypto everywhere in the mainstream. Even there was bad press, obviously. But like, even just like sponsoring stadiums, and having like, all this advertising everywhere, and then it kind of made me wonder if it was a solution, and something that would be against the system, they wouldn’t really be allowed to do any of this. So it kind of got me thinking myself actually about is Bitcoin, just the sort of Trojan horse basically into the CB DC world? And what are your thoughts on that on Bitcoin? And the transparency coins before we move on to the privacy coin?

Chris R 7:14
Well, I, I got into bitcoin in late 2017, when it reached $1,000.20, grand real quick, within like a month, right? Got in late. This is me off every time. Sorry.

George Papp 7:28
But I know you’re going earlier than me to be fair.

Chris R 7:32
Well, you know, you have another chance to get in at 3002. And for a while. But things are things are very crazy with that. But I think what they’re doing with crypto and Bitcoin as an like, it’s pumping and pumping and pumping, people are going to realize that this is good. Let me get in on this. Let me give up my cash for this digital currency that keeps keeps going up in value, make it really attractive for the mainstream. Look, it keeps going up you guys look, it keeps going up. You guys got to get into this. Everyone gets into it. And then okay, cool. Great. Now we all have it, boom, now we got your rug poll, boom, you’re all broke. Oh, and you don’t have cash anymore, by the way, you traded your gold, your silver and your cash for this digital currency that we now control. And you cannot go and shop at Walmart only on Tuesdays and Thursdays between the hours of four and eight and you can’t get that pizza, you’re gonna have to eat roaches instead. So that’s the control grid, I see that they want to happen. But I also think that they weren’t planning for the internet. And they weren’t planning for us to talk like this across oceans at the same time. And that we can now get out the word and put out our own opinions and our own observations of what’s happening to us locally, and putting it all together. And people are like, Oh, okay, hold on. So that’s why they created the privacy token. And building that I’m really, really liked. Darrow. I love that Darrow is setting up a whole entire like L one system. I don’t even know what it is. But there’s like the Aetherium of privacy tokens where you get to build on top of that. And I’m like, okay, cool. I don’t have much of it. But I mean, why not throw 50 bucks a month towards some other bucks towards this or 50 bucks towards that. Something you can afford to lose? Don’t mortgage your house for crypto, that’s silly. All I want is a house if I can get a house cash somewhere in the middle of nowhere, and just not participate in the economy. That would be wonderful. That would be absolutely wonderful. I hate working jobs. I love working for myself. I’ve been working my for myself for I don’t know the past 15 years more than that even I mean I was washing windows. Then I got in to online sales. And then I just went into online and that’s that’s where the money is that is really building a community and being able to have a product to service that community something that they like, I’m in between businesses right now thinking of what I could do what I could sell, and a good product that people on this podcast or anything would resonate with. So I’m thinking about selling ozone drops and supplements b 12, some iodine, and some ozone machines if you don’t know anything about activated oxygen, whew, that’s a whole nother rabbit hole. We can go down on my friend that stuff saved my life within 10 minutes coughed up 24 Black Luby’s and cured my lung cancer, boom, done, totally illegal in the United States to get it done. But I found someone right down the street that’s willing to do it. And I’m like, Oh, my God, and he turns the corner. Like, I’ve only seen cancer patients do that. When I was a little did he know that? Before I went to go see him. I went to a doctor and did a live blood analysis and it was riddled with cancer cells. And I’m like, that’s why I collapsed in my kitchen. Okay, we’re not going to do this anymore. So I quit smoking, quit vaping and got into ozone. And when I did that my vape business kind of dwindled, and fell down and plateaued, because I just wasn’t resonating with it energetically. So I need to find a product that I resonate with.

George Papp 10:55
That. That’s really interesting. I’ve not ever heard of that type of therapy. No, it’s been in Germany

Chris R 11:01
for over 100 years. Wow. That’s where it came from?

George Papp 11:05
How easy it is. How easy is it to sort of get hold of for someone who might be want to try that?

Chris R 11:12
Well, you’re in Athens, you’re in Europe, right? Yeah. Oh, man, you can just Google it now that hospitals in Germany that you can just walk into and get an IV done. Interesting.

George Papp 11:23
I mean, something to check out. I mean, if you if you had a good experience, you know, why not? Check that out? Obviously, do your own research,

Chris R 11:30
man, it’s it slows down the aging process. I’m 40 years old. If I had hair, I’d look a lot younger. But man, I tell you, I feel great. It’s ridiculous. I feel so good at 40 And yet, all of my friends are sick, gastroparesis, GI tract, bowel function, migraines. It’s just unbelievable type of stuff. A liver, what their livers are failing. I’m like, What the hell do you guys, and I’m just like I’ve been doing ozone for since 2015. So about seven years now. And I just did some this morning. 530 in the morning, man, it just feel freakin good. It puts you on a different vibration. We’re just feel wonderful. Now the machines do cost money about $3,300. But it’s worth every penny and it’ll last forever. It won’t ever break down. It’s just like it easy. It’s an easy machine. It’s like a like almost like a neon sign. That’s pretty much what a neon sign is, is ozone activated oxygen, but they’re taking it from the air instead of actual oxygen tank, you want to clean oxygen tank that goes through the machine and out the tube. And what the machine does, it puts another molecule on to 02. So it makes it 03, 04, 05 and 06 anything above 02 or three or higher is activated oxygen. And no virus, fungus or bacteria can live in an oxygen rich environment. And also repairs DNA.

George Papp 12:46
Nice one. I mean, guys, check. Check it out. Do your own research. See, see if it works for you. If you want to give it a go. Let’s move to thoughts on the current situation. And I guess where it’s headed, do you think things are as let’s say negative as some of the I guess the alternative space can push out some some fear porn? Do you think? You know, where’s it heading? Your thoughts on that? And is there hope because I always want to give hope because I always feel that there’ll be space and there will always be a way around everything. In my opinion, even in a dystopian future.

Chris R 13:27
Well, there is hope and death, because we’re all here at all of our destinies to die. And that’s what we came here for. And it doesn’t matter really in my in my way. If I’ve made it to 40 years, I really could die tomorrow and be happy, and I wouldn’t have to pay rent anymore. So that’s that’s me. As far as like, where it’s going after this, I feel that we’re brewing for something much, much bigger. deagle Do you remember They took down that website. And they used to predict, you know, by 2025. We’re gonna have like, what 300 was 300 million now. And they predicting down to like a couple 100,000 the United States by 2025. And the GDP is going to be extremely low. That hasn’t. We’re not at 2025 yet, but I was like always thinking well, how are they going to depopulate this many people that’s insane. They can’t bomb everybody what’s going on? And then the vaccines rolled out. And I’m like, Oh, shit. And right when this happened in March of 2020 when they’re locking everything down, you notice they did on the Ides of March to on March 15. And I ran into some woman in the parking lot at the grocery store. And you know, she took off her mask immediately. It was like, upset and like, oh, like I hate these masks too. She’s like, absolutely. And don’t you ever get tested and definitely don’t take the vaccine. I’m like, Whoa, she’s like, I’m a retired. I’m a retired doctor. I went to Texas a&m. Do not do any of that. Like, oh, thank you so much. So early. early on. I was like wow, okay, so There’s really something bigger going on in this. And then when the people started posting videos about the Bluetooth, and how the little miscellaneous codes and MAC addresses started coming up on their Bluetooth settings, I was like, No way. So I checked my bluetooth settings. I’m like, Oh my God, that’s That’s for real. And it freaked me out. If you go back and you see they’re all chipped on one of my videos, I literally had goose bumps on my arm because it was over 150 miscellaneous codes at Walmart. I’m just like, wow, and I can sit in a restaurant 7am On the first one there, no miscellaneous codes., as people walk in, boom, boom, boom, it starts populating, and you can stand it like traffic lights, and watch everybody drive by. And then there’s no cars, then there’s no miscellaneous codes, then there’s a stoplight and there’s a bunch of miscellaneous codes. So I don’t know if they’re going to activate this and people are just going to collapse. They could do it sporadically. Now that everyone’s chipped. They could say, oh, we have another breakout over here. Or they could actually say, Oh, it’s a dirty bomb. And it’s an EMP or something and you can’t go outside and they can boom, boom, you can remotely control all these people and just say, Look, you can’t do it over here. These people are dying because of this. And really, if there’s chips in there, then the radiation could just be emitted. And they could suffer from radiation poisoning because they’re chipped. And because it’s working with the 5g. I have no idea man, I have no idea.

George Papp 16:22
Yeah, it’s like now it’s okay. Now it’s like it could anything can happen now. And there’s nothing off the table right now when that’s what’s so basically you’re saying though, when you say when you’re on your phone, and you go on to Bluetooth, and you you literally put it on to search for Bluetooth, right? available devices, right? You’re seeing loads of miscellaneous codes, like loads of different codes when you’re in a populated area.

Chris R 16:51
Let’s see this. Here we go. Let me pull this up. And say I’m in my apartment. There are a couple people home and Bluetooth. And I’ll show you guys right here. repopulate searching devices. Boom, here we go. 123. I don’t know if you can see that. Can we see that? Yeah. But guys,

George Papp 17:13
guys on Spotify, their Spotify and audio there are balances about 4 or 5. About 4 misc codes there, which is very interesting. And that’s just my neighbors. Yeah, I’ll definitely have to check that out when I go to go to town or something.

Chris R 17:36
Yeah, and it doesn’t work on all phones. Mine is an older Androids and LG Q seven plus, I hear that there are apps or that you have to go into developer mode on Apple to be able to pull these up and see them. Not everyone can see them. So it’s very, very different. It’s just strange. I’m surprised these people are still walking around my friends got vaccinated, and you know, a magnet stuck to her. And then she got the second shot and the cell phone stuck to her. Like, why did you do this? And then she’s still got COVID

George Papp 18:07
Yeah, that’s also what happens now. Yeah. They said it wasn’t gonna you know, you won’t be able to get hit. If if you took the shot, right. Everyone’s getting. Yeah, I mean, the the lies keep coming. But in in another respect. How do you see the economy because obviously, we’re seeing that now the repercussions of the economy, which I was saying from right at the beginning, the economic situation from all this is going to be far worse than any disease, if you believe it exists, right is going to going to do is the economic situation because poverty and low jobs. Homelessness causes either illness or can’t actually eat so people starve and actually don’t even then causes stress. And that causes illness as well. So all of that situation in the economy. How do you see this coming up now? Because obviously, we have seen inflation going going wild right now? Are you predicting a sort of hyper hyperinflation event? to basically bring in the CBDCs in that sort of aspect?

Chris R 19:17
Well, I’ll tell you something very strange. When I was 10 years old, I had a dream that you’re going to live to 88 years old, you’re going to die in the year 2069 You can see everyone you know in love die starting with your parents. And both my parents died within three weeks of each other this past March. So I’m getting I’m gearing up for it. I don’t know exactly. I know I’m going to be okay. Whether I live in the city or not something that dream just kind of resonated with me. And I’m like, doesn’t matter if there’s bombs dropping that dream said I’m gonna lift ADA the bombs gonna miss me the bullets are gonna miss it’s just it’s not going to happen for me. So if you want to stay safe during the apocalypse here in Dallas, just stick with me. He’ll be fine. It’s very strange, very, very strange. They’re they’re going to depopulate I just don’t understand how but it could be famine. You know, it could be both it could they have to use multiple multiple lefties everything in their arsenal to get it down, but at the same time that they didn’t expect the internet, so I think that people are getting are wising up to it. And it may and may not happen. You know, I mean I’m still on the fence about it all I’m optimistic. Sure. But at the same time, I do believe that dark forces rule is golden. We’re, this is not our home, we’re just passing through. So don’t take anything too seriously. Yeah, and we’re here for the we have to be here for an experience my good my best friend Doreen, who died in 2009. You know, we do a lot of acid together back in high school and college. And he said, You think I’m black? You think you’re white? Dude, we’re just temporary human. We’re just spiritual beings having a temporary human existence. That’s all we’re just passing through buddy. Like, okay.

George Papp 21:04
That was before he had the pill. Ya know, to be honest, like that, I’ve had that sort of experience. Now I’m thinking, well, trying to get out of my head, actually, our thoughts because thoughts are, kind of realize that that’s programming, a lot of the thoughts that come into your head, the way to change your thoughts to be more aligned with, let’s say, the more positive energy or aligned with the forces above, is to try and get out of your mind. But yeah, in regards to that, I actually firmly believe that as well. It’s more of a feeling than a belief that we got to kind of get rid of belief systems is another thing. But yeah, I think we are passing through this world as a test as a spiritual experience. But we are ultimately not human. It’s not us, the body isn’t us the mind isn’t us. It’s just part of the experience that you’re having. If you go through that thought process, the fear kind of falls away. And you kind of live life a lot more Happy, go lucky. You’re not worried. You’re not paranoid. You just you know, get on with your life. And you know, if things go well, great if they don’t great as well, because this is just an experience. But try and do just try and do good on this world. And I think that’s probably what we’re here for. I think maybe the test is to be the best. A good person, in a sense, even through, you know, let’s say an apocalypse as we are in at the moment, really, because if you look at the what are the what are the sort of horsemen of the apocalypse is famine, economy, illness, and think war? Probably? Probably, will just, I think it was just death. Right? So it’s clear that we’re in that sort of that, let’s say story quotes, quotation marks there. So yeah, I guess how are you preparing for it? I mean, if you’re not preparing you might not be I think, if it’s just an experience, right, you don’t need to prepare. But how are you guess moving through this? Are you making preparations? Or are you just taking it by day?

Chris R 23:07
No, I got I got a year supply food little over a year supply of food, you know, that’s about it. You know, if things hit the fan, that’s what I got. Whether that’s going to be if people are gonna raid me for my food, like, Okay. I have no idea. I’ve never experienced it. Like I said, I’m just pretty much just a normal guy live in his day to day. And you know, hoping for the best. I mean, I go out for breakfast every morning, because I don’t know when’s the last time someone’s going to be able to serve me coffee? I tell you what, I wake up and wake up one day and like the kids are like, What do you mean, someone like just brought you coffee and bacon and eggs to your table? Like, yeah, for paper? Yeah. And yeah.

George Papp 23:51
Yeah. Yeah.

Chris R 23:52
What’s that? Like? You know,

George Papp 23:55
I think we’ve got long for that, right. A few years, I think, maybe, maybe even someplace.

Chris R 24:01
I told years ago that when inflation hits, it’s gonna get to the point to where it’s going to be pointless to go to work. Because what’s the point your money’s not going to not gonna go anywhere? And we’re seeing that now. People that we’re hiring, yeah, but if you’re not paying at least 2450 an hour, which is actually what minimum wage should be if you had like, what is it five silver quarters? You know, that’s what needs to be minimum wage. I think it’s like 1890 or 20s, between 1890 and $24 fluctuating. But, yeah, that I mean, I used to be able to even like in the year 2022 years ago, when I first got out of high school, I could get a studio apartment and work a job at like the grocery store and live just fine. When maybe my rent would be 300 bucks a month, my electricity would be at most 50 bucks. And you know, there was like cell phones $45 gas 99 cents, and it’s just gotten so bad that you know, these assets have been been bought up and everyone buying assets they’re safe. Bye Homes, you know, and I just wish I had a house. I mean, that would be wonderful to have a house and work a normal job and be able to just pay my taxes on the house. But then property taxes, good God that can go up to the value of the home. It’s You’re screwed no matter what, man. I mean, we live in a prison planet. You know, I love when I heard, why do we have to pay to live on a planet we were born on? That makes no sense. You know? And like, why do we have to constantly make this money? I mean, it is pretty much slavery. You know, you can, I mean, back in the day when there was slaves, you know, you they gave you food shelter, all you did is have to go out in the field and work. Now they don’t give you food and shelter, they give you money. So you can go buy food and shelter. It’s ridiculous. And they control the value of that money anytime they want. Let’s let’s make these slides a little bit poor today, print, print, print. Okay, and then they get that money first buy up all the assets, the assets going go up in price. And these people that create this economy, it’s just ridiculous. So I’m hoping with crypto, that that can change. But I just done not on. Like I said, it’s so new. I don’t know what’s going to happen with that. But cross your fingers, the only thing you can do is hope. And you know, breathe, relax, meditate, and we’ll let the opportunities come to you. And you know, it’s gonna be all right, no matter what.

Exactly. That’s a good message. And with the crypto thing, I think, actually using them is something that we need to I guess do if we want to have that community aspect with them. Think Manero and all those other coins. I mean, there are big fan and others like pirate chain, for example. start accepting them and using them to pay people that you’re doing work with or receive it, right? Because that’s the that’s the that’s the big goal of having these actually being a utility rather than an investment. Like, yeah, it could really increase in value in dollar terms. I don’t see that. But only because if it does exponentially grow like Mineiro flipped, but a Bitcoin where I’ve heard a few times. Yeah, surely, surely that won’t be allowed, right. And then basically, I just see an outright banning of privacy coins, in my opinion. But it doesn’t mean that the we can we can stop using them, we’ll continue to use them. But it’s definitely the utility that matters is basically using it to pay and receive. And we could use use this to have a sort of counter economy. I think that’s that’s a big solution that we can use. Now, is that is that something that you agree on? Potentially?

I would, I would, I don’t know. You’re right. If they if it does like that, I’ll see how they would let it flip Bitcoin and go up in price. I don’t know if they can control it. But I know that more people own it more people use it, the more value it has. If they want to do small transactions with that, I just don’t understand how they would enforce not using it. Yeah. They don’t know if it’s nowhere it’s at?

George Papp 28:02
Yeah, I think the only place the way they will ban it is centralized exchanges, which they’ve started to do anyway. Most not most people won’t have the nows or won’t want to look into actually finding it elsewhere, or won’t care that much to go and buy Mineiro from like some random decentralized exchange. But I think for people like us and people who want to use it as utility, I think, you know, we’ll still be able to find it. There’s always going to be ways around that. But yeah, I think it’s sort of a

Chris R 28:34
think about it, we’re we’re still in the infancy of it. I mean, we may not even live to see it, you know, but there’s kids growing up learning code, and how many decentralized exchanges can they make so many, so many? Shut one down, build another one, shut one down, build another one. And it just word gets around? They’d have to shut down the internet? And I don’t know if they’re ever going to do that. But they could definitely do that.

George Papp 28:55
Yeah, I think there can be a potential hacker event where they pretend there’s a hack from Russia or whatever. And then they you know, blame it on that. And then they can then bring in when they bring it back up. They enforce a digital ID or something because of any role. Whoever uses it needs to be ID and whatever. I can see something like that happen. But we have decentralized web as well. And I’m thinking that there will be solutions in that space, too. I think that’s very early on right now.

Chris R 29:26
I don’t know much about the decentralized Web. I’ve heard about it, but could you tell me more?

George Papp 29:32
I am not too familiar with it. But I know that there is a decentralized web being created. I know that there’s decentralized protocols, which actually look into to actually have it on the blockchain. So basically, you can’t actually ID someone it’s going to be very difficult as a decentralized platform to actually stop it from moving and happening and stop people from using it. However, I think more people have to use it to make it work better. So I guess spreading that message is something that needs to happen both. I’ll definitely leave it in the show notes because I need to find the name of that particular protocol, or particular app, basically, that I know something’s been built by looked at it about two years ago, and I haven’t revisited it. But that’s definitely something I’ll put in the show notes. Because it is something that we should start using if we’re wanting to be sort of free online.

Chris R 30:30
Right. Right. And could you imagine a world where they shut down the internet? I mean, if they I don’t know about you, but I’m addicted to my phone. I’m addicted to this digital crack. And if they shut it down, I mean, everyone’s gonna walk out their house just like, whoa, hey, what’s your name? I don’t know. I’ve only been living next to you for five years. Never met you before. Oh, hi. And let’s have a barbecue go. Awesome. Here’s a beer. Great. Let’s go back to the 90s. Baby. Cheers. You know, I mean, yeah,

George Papp 30:57
to be honest, like this stuff, this stuff has its good points for spreading messages and, and, you know, having conversations from, you know, distances and making a community from far. But the negatives, I think do outweigh the positives, in my opinion. I actually feel like I can live off grid right now. And just basically grow my own food, decentralize the food, decentralize the power. And let’s be honest, that’s how we probably should live. In my opinion. We’ve just outsourced all of our lives basically, like everything, food, water, just, everything’s outsourced. And we will let someone else do it. And what happens is the centralization causes these issues, and this is where he asked. So if rice centralize and start becoming autonomous, again, this is a massive solution. And that’s what I’m aiming for. I’m trying to live off grid myself as well.

Chris R 31:49
Right? I mean, back into like, the 60s and 70s. I think the kids could graduate high school, being a plumber, being electrician, knowing how to build a house. I don’t know anything about that stuff, man. I mean, like I said, I just outsource that here. I pay somebody to do that. And I don’t need to learn it myself. So I really know nothing. It’s once you get to that, like you want to get wise enough to know that you don’t know that’s wisdom. Like I don’t know. You go down the rabbit holes like I really don’t know anything this is especially when you get into flatter, expand, don’t even we’re talking about but oh my gosh. Oh my gosh, I never even thought about that. Like you’re crazy. I’m gonna laugh at you. Well, what? What I was programmed to laugh at that. Oh, I didn’t think about that. So to go back to, you know, getting away from negative energies and stuff like that, like program your mind because everything you think you have original thought we don’t. We don’t. I’m making this podcast. Why? Because I’ve seen other people do it. So I got the idea to do it. You know, I didn’t you don’t like Taco Bell. You don’t like McDonald’s, you’re told like McDonald’s to this little screen here. And then you like it, then you eat it. And it’s everything, everything, everything. So program your mind with anything that can propel you forward in life. Like I’m a, I’ve studied NLP for since 2013 to 2018 for five years. I’m an NLP practitioner. I know how to program the subconscious mind in order to achieve an outcome. It’s really scary stuff. It’s weird. It’s like fairy dust. I don’t do it too much anymore. But you’re always doing it, you’re always you’re always manifesting in with with the mind. And if you can program yourself with like, some good motivation in the morning, set the tone for the day, set your thoughts, right, and good things will come to you. But people are programmed with television. And when the internet came out, I was like, why are we watching television we have the internet. This is so cool. I love watching people with their crappy content talking about whatever’s going on in their life so much better than like, you know, Third Rock from the Sun or Simpsons or whatever programming they’re gonna give me and throw down my throat. You know, it’s not the show’s it’s doing. I mean, the shows are but their television is made for advertising. They put you in a trance during the show. And then boom cuts advertising, you need to buy this, you need to get this. I used to write down like types of commercials, they would they would tell me and by the end of the show, it’s pretty much telling me, you know, hey, I need to go buy this car and eat this and have this and be able to buy that. And you’d see like the people in the room. They’d get hungry after the show. I call him Anna wants some of that. Wow, they just advertised that to you five times in the last 30 minutes and you’re hungry for that you think that’s your own thought? You think you’re thinking that you really sure you’re hungry for that? Yeah. Okay.

George Papp 34:29
Yeah, it’s so deep. It really is.

Chris R 34:31
Yeah. It’s like I can’t tell people the truth unless it’s on the screen. So I’ll try to tell people that income taxes, blah, blah, but I’ll make a video about it. Let them watch the video and go Oh, wow. It takes the video. Like are you kidding me? Is it the flicker? Right? I don’t know.

George Papp 34:46
Yeah, I think the only way to have your own thoughts is like to seriously disconnect. Yeah, be silent. sit in silence. And that’s why it’s so important like this sort of, if it’s meditation, or if it’s like just walking in nature on your own But just do something like that. Even if it’s 1020 minutes a day, whatever, it really does make a difference. Like, you’ll start watching your thoughts. And you’ll be like, what? Like, what am I actually like? Is that Is that me? No. But if you’re, it’s not you because you’re actually seeing your thoughts. Like you’re actually looking at your thoughts, you’re seeing it move past. So you are not those thoughts. That’s the disconnect that you need to have. And I think to actually break out of it. So it’s really interesting. Yeah, I think that’s definitely something that you guys should should practice. If you haven’t already. This definitely helped me it sounds like it’s definitely helped you, Chris as well.

Chris R 35:36
Yeah, do you got to have like, different affirmations write it on your mirror, you know, goals that you want. I was like, when I was 22 years old, I was introduced to a leadership development organization that taught you long term thinking delay gratification, utilize the power of utilize the power of compounding. And what is the seventh wonder the world is compound interest, you know, invest, save 10%. And so they I went over to my mentors house and like, where’s your TV? And he’s like, I don’t have a television, I have a library. I’m like, Oh, okay. And like, what are all these, these these sayings, he would just put affirmations and he’d frame them. And he put them on his wall, like I have back here. I need to actually do that. But I write mine on my mirror. Like, I’m a millionaire. It’s possible to own a home, it’s possible to have another business, what kind of business do you want? You know, before I even started American debt slave, I put, I created the logo, and I put the logo right on the left side of my television, and I’m like, okay, maybe I’ll start that podcast someday, you know, but I kept looking and kept looking at it kept going until I started programming my own mind. And then I’m like, Okay, let me see what this can do. And then boom, like, Oh, interesting. Very, very cool. And I just decided to do that when Odyssey came about, and I’m like, okay, and they started kicking everybody off YouTube. I think I got almost 1000 subscribers on YouTube before they kicked me off. And I’m like, Okay, we’ll just move on over to Odyssey and just put some LBC on my channel and me up in the ranks and cool.

George Papp 37:03
Yeah, everyone who hasn’t checked Odysee, check it out alternative video platform. Obviously, you can’t censor on there. And it just works a lot better, and something to definitely look at. But yeah, my wife does that stuff as well. Those are sort of affirmations and writing stuff on the wall. At first, I was like, What the hell’s going on in this room? Like, it’s like, just pictures everywhere. There’s like writing on the mirrors. Yeah. But to be honest, at least half of the stuff that was written has happened. So yeah, I mean, I have to say it works for us as well. And just briefly, stuff that we’re doing hearsay, it does, it does have an impact. Yeah,

Chris R 37:46
it’s very strange how we broadcast and what we are broadcasting with our thoughts. I discovered when I was when I read the book, The Secret back in 2006. And I was living on my friend’s couch at 24 years old, not thinking I could ever have my own apartment and pay 750 a month. That’s just way too much money. I could never afford that. And lo and behold, I just like you know what, let me just put that up on there, even though I don’t believe it. And within like, a couple months later, someone called me up, Hey, you wanna get a two bedroom? This really nice place? And like, Fuck, yeah, really? I pay the same amount of rent here. Okay, cool. And then like, okay, it’s only 100 200 bucks for my own place. So I just moved into my own place after a year. And I’ve been here a while I just say, I’ve been trying to save up for a house, but the crypto market keeps going up and down, up and down. And business keeps going up and down. So I’m just happy to have a roof at this point right now with the economy.

George Papp 38:37
Yeah, man, I mean, people in their 30s back in like the 70s were able to like probably move to the second or third home. Yeah. Yeah. Now it’s like, I can’t get out of my mom and dad’s basement, basically is Yeah. Yeah, but we will be grateful for whatever happens. Chris, where can people find your work man?

Chris R 39:02
Are you can find me on Look up the American debt slave. If you want to join my telegram channel that link below is in the description below. Be part of the conversation if anyone wants to come on here and just have a conversation about what’s going on. Give their two cents about the world. See if you’re pulling up any miscellaneous codes on your phone. Just let’s have a discussion. Have some fun.

George Papp 39:26
Excellent. Chris, thank you very much for coming on. I look forward to potentially having you on in the future. Make sure you subscribe to the podcast so you don’t miss an episode. Share if you know someone who might be interested. Plus check out Yeah. Plus, check out the episode show notes for a link to crypto animus We aim to help you guys grow and preserve your wealth to have the potential to build away from the system. Also put all the links of Chris’s material in the show notes as well. So definitely check that out. Peace and love to you all. Thanks for listening.

Chris R 39:57
Take care. Thanks for having me.

George Papp 39:58
Take care, Chris.

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George Papp from The Conscious Renegade joins Matthew Raymer, a freelance researcher, serial entrepreneur and technologist specializing in software engineering and computational physics speaking out against online censorship. He holds degrees in Physics, Mathematics and Computer Science with published work in the field of Computational Biophysics. Recognizing the value of community, Matthew has contributed to the open source software community in projects such as BitTorrent and HAProxy and advocates for technologies such as decentralized communication tools, IPFS, microcomputers and cryptocurrencies. Learn from Matthew as he divulges information he has learned after 30 years of consulting for government agencies and corporations, and details how we can address the threats these entities pose to individual privacy and freedom of speech.

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Interview with Matthew Raymer: Privacy and Censorship Resistant Technology Solutions

George Papp 0:08
Hi, welcome to the conscious renegade podcast with me, George Papp, helping you to be the change you wish to see in the world.

Today, we are joined by Matthew of Anomalist Design. And we’ll be discussing alternative tech solutions, determining strategies to free people from the current sort of mainstream tech solutions. And obviously the coming Great reset, How are you Matt? and thanks for coming on.

Matthew Raymer 0:51
Oh, George, thank you. I’m doing quite fine. And yourself.

George Papp 0:56
Excellent. Yeah. Thanks again, for coming on. We obviously have been in touch previously, and not just here today. But we’ve been discussing, obviously tech solutions for my business and discussing other solutions. And it’s very interesting to get that sort of perspective for me. So I guess, well, can we start, I guess, where you started, in your journey to where you are now anomalous design, and how you sort of got sort of involved in the sort of freedom of movement?

Matthew Raymer 1:28
Well, you know, as far as my history, my background, I was born in the Midwest, United States, in Kentucky. And I was always very interested in the eclectic subjects. So I’ve been involved in music whenever I was, in high school, I did about six years of formal music training, that included music theory. But toward the end of my high school tenure, I got interested in the sciences, particularly computer science and physics. And I wrote my first software whenever I was 13. I had my first company whenever I was 15. And I got very interested in scientific programming. So that got me into college, I triple majored in mathematics, computer science and physics. And I’m published in computational biophysics. And that got me really interested in problem solving. So I’ve been very interested in difficult edge cases, and just deep problems, difficult problems. Whenever I entered graduate school in physics, I found though, that I was kind of discontented with the idea of staying in physics my whole life. So I took a year off. And that set me off on a pathway of kind of traveling. At the same time, I also started after a year, I started a master’s degree in computer science, but then I was traveling in Southeast Asia, where I ended up getting married to a local in Southeast Asia. And after going back to finish my master’s degree, I came back and married her and have lived there ever since. Because of my degrees and my connections, I was able to do a lot of freelance work early on in the late 90s. And I realized by about 10 years or so living here that I needed to be making more substantially more money to be able to support two children and a wife. So I ended up contacting my classmates and getting involved in consulting with them and ended up doing work for various corporations and, and occasionally, some government agencies. Which kind of got me introduced to the world. I, I lived in kind of a shell very idealistic family. My dad was what I would call a classic old school conspiracy theorist. throughout my teenage years, he tried to convince me that the world was run by the bankers and that they were taking over everything and I even though I loved my dad and had a lot of respect for him, I thought that he was a little crazy. Didn’t realize, as I grew older and experienced dealing with government and dealing with corporations that he was more right than was comfortable to be right. I know I experienced 911 Here In Southeast Asia, and it was, it was kind of surreal for me. Because, of course, you live here long enough, you really don’t feel like you’re part of the West anymore, even though you might have the passport. And so it took me a while to kind of wake up to the fact that something was wrong about the way things were going in the West. So I would say, even though my dad had been telling me things were going wrong, my whole childhood. It wasn’t until I got to my late 30s That I was like, wow, you know what dad was right about all that. And it took me down the rabbit hole I, as I like to tell people I gave up on mainstream media around 2007. That was before I really felt like I understood what was going on. I just had a feeling from listening that what they were telling me didn’t match reality. And it wasn’t until about, say 2011 2012 That I had finally encountered someone like Alex Jones. And while I found it kind of distasteful to listen to. I also found that my own experience with the world kind of resonated with some of the things he was saying. Now, at one point, I’d say quickly, after about a year of listening to him, I had to give up.

Cuz it was too stressful to listen to him. What but in the interim, I began to meet people like James Corbett, and Richard Grove and a variety of other people, because there are people that were publishing back in that time period that no longer Publish. And it really began a blossoming of my understanding of the world and connecting the dots and saying, Well, you know, what, if anybody is going to look out for me, it has to be me, that looks out for me. I can’t rely on governments or institutions to do that, because they won’t look out for me. Now, I knew, from my own experience, that there had been calls for censorship of the internet, starting even back in the mid 90s. I have this anecdote. I liked Excel of sitting in a database management class in graduate school, and having the instructor come in and say it like in 1994. He said, This internet cannot stay open, it has to be closed. And I remember thinking at the time, no, no, I think it should be open. And that’s all been a thought in the back of my head. So whenever I got into this frame of mind of questioning everything that I was being told, officially, I started collecting information. And if you’re a geek like me, and you have lots of data, you want to write tools to help organize and keep that data and disseminate that data. I got involved early on even before that, I got involved in the BitTorrent community as far as the actual back end software part of it. And I was very interested in distributed technologies. So I started leveraging what I understood about that and other tools to upload shows of people to BitTorrent that I thought were important for people to hear. So I remember I did a lot of James Corbett stuff I did a lot of Mark Passios stuff. Richard Grove, I did a lot of his stuff. I don’t know if you’re familiar with the work of Richard and James.

George Papp 8:53
I definitely am. I’m sure many of the listeners are as well. I guess just to quickly interrupt there. Were just some people who don’t know what BitTorrent is. Just explain what that is. And what it does. Basically,

Matthew Raymer 9:10
BitTorrent is a is a networking protocol, which let’s just call it a program is a network program that allows large files to be distributed by many different people. Thus, in the aggregate, producing an efficient tree transfer of large files without in any individual person having to share more of the burden. So in essence, if your ISP had a limitation on how much data could be coming from one person, this could get around that because you could take a very large multi gigabyte file, chop it up into tiny little bits, and then have 100 People send it to you, and she would end up getting Get the maximum capacity of your internet, if that makes sense. Yeah.

George Papp 10:04
Okay. Makes sense. And going back to your conversation there about your way you sort of realize the world was how it was. It’s interesting when it’s like when you actually end up working in corporations or government or with them. That’s a huge part of actually realizing what’s going on

Matthew Raymer 10:26
starting a starting a business can be shocking. And I know I’ve heard people say that the number of people who start businesses isn’t as much as it used to be. So you have people making assumptions about what it means to have a business. And they don’t really understand how difficult it is to have a business. And that you need to respect that and not think that simply because someone has a business, that they’re that they have some privilege of some kind, they actually have a lot of nasty responsibilities. And don’t always get treatment. Try setting up a business in Southeast Asia. As I’ve said to other people, I hear a lot of expats that come here, assuming that if they made it in the first world, it’s easier in the in the developing nation. And I would say now, simply because you made it in the a developed nation, it’s actually quite a bit harder to make a business work here. And that’s a whole other show all by itself.

George Papp 11:38
Yes. Yeah. I mean, there’s other problems with that, isn’t it? It’s not, it’s easier to set up stuff in in the US and the West, in a sense, get things aligned. But then, there are obviously downsides to how organized it is over there as well. But then there’s a lot of downsides to how unorganized it could be in the third world. By the year, you navigate them guessing. And it’s definitely worth the pros outweigh the cons, I’m sure.

Matthew Raymer 12:08
Yeah, yeah. It’s, yeah, we’ve managed to figure out how to get to get by. Yeah. And to be, you know, successful, I would counted as successful. And I’ve really only met one other expat that could have done it. The rest of them kind of like cry, mercy and leave.

George Papp 12:33
It’s really a good, you know, having the skills if you know, some of you guys in the audience is still working nine to five. You know, to get out of that, I mean, just learn skills, like, I mean, especially online skills. I mean, I’m sure you can advocate for that. But it’s release you from the nine to five, and then you can potentially, you know, do contract work for different companies or, you know, from anywhere in the world. So you’re not sort of trapped in one place. So that’s one thing that I guess you can take away from this. I’m sure. Yeah, I mean, I guess moving to, let’s say, the traditional topics of the actual traditional tech, industry and solutions to the I mean, why do we need to move away from traditional tech solutions, and what our guests are the traditional tech solutions currently, like, obviously, registering a domain, hosting a website on a centralized system, or even just obviously, our everyday tech, like, potentially Apple and Android and Mac and stuff like that. So yeah, just describe, I guess, why we potentially need to move away or what solutions there are to potential censorship or tracking or yeah, just anything you can actually advise on?

Matthew Raymer 13:56
Well, let me step back a bit and talk about one of my favorite writers as a backdrop for why we need to be getting away from corporate tech. One of my favorite writers is a fellow by the name of Jacques Ellul. He wrote a book back in the 1950s, called the technological society. And in it, he gave a meta analysis of the scholarship and movements that were occurring before his time that were going to lead to a technocratic world state. Now, Ellul’s work is dark, it’s very, very, very dark. Most of the people who are who are listening, I am sure, have encountered Ellul’s work in some form. They just didn’t realize that they were encountering it. So for instance, the the name slipped my mind, the fellow that went around blowing up the people from technological companies. He lived out in the forest. He was the victim of MK or ultra

George Papp 15:14
The name surpasses me.

Matthew Raymer 15:16
Yeah, you think you know who I’m talking about

George Papp 15:19
I think I’ve heard of this.

Unknown Speaker 15:20
Yes. And for some reason that name slipped my mind completely up. Hold on, let me let me search real quick. So anyway, but this fellow had Ellul’s work in his bookshelf, whenever they finally caught him. And he thought that if we didn’t abandon he was a primitivist not Ellul. But this person, I would say crazy person. He was a primitive said we should abandon all technology because it was going to kill us. And Ellul’s is a bit more nuanced than that. But his argument was that it was the soul seeking for efficiency, not only through technological means sweat through procedural means that we’re going to ultimately kill humanity. Before he died, he became more optimistic. The reason he became more optimistic was because of microcomputers. Because in the early time, in computers, the only person who could own a computer was a corporation or a government. So that power to be able to use computation and leverage its power for you as an individual, it moved from on high down to your hands. And now we carry around devices in our hands, powerful than anything that was made in the 1950s. So he saw that as a chance to escape the death of humanity. Because it allowed the individual to have more control over their own life, and to choose how they were going to live. Whereas before that, it looked like the cards were all against us that it was going to be central top down control for the rest of us for the rest of humanity’s existence. Ellul didn’t really live to see the internet. And the internet is that next phase liberation. And I wish I wish I had known what he would have thought about cryptocurrencies, which is potentially another level of liberation. What we’re losing whenever we hand this back to corporations, is our very liberty to decide on how we’re going to live our lives. We often think of it only in terms of spying, but it’s more than that. It’s the actual ability to make your own decisions. So what happened with the cloud was the cloud is the attempt to destroy the power that the micro computer could give to the individual. If we don’t keep with all of our minds, the ability to have computational power and communications tools that we control, we’re going to lose that liberty that allows us to decide how we’re going to live. So what do I suggest we do about that? Well, it’s beyond technology. I believe it starts with the community, the people around you, I think that every solution begins within the person. Even though I’m a technologist, I really do believe in the individual. And I also believe in the community. We need we are social creatures, we need interaction. So when we work on our inner work, we need to make that inner work so that we can relate to a group of people who are obliged mind. And it’s another topic entirely, but I do not believe that necessarily, humanity can or has to have uniformity of belief, nor to necessarily want to be around one another. But you will find people that you can be around people that you can resonate with, and you need to find those people. We don’t want to be individuals atomized so that we’re easier to control. We want to be clusters of individuals that help one another. And that can be in the form of family it can be in the form of a club. For those people who are more religious, it can be in the form of an ashram or a church or synagogue. But when Eat these communities that’s where we need to start.

George Papp 20:09
Yeah, the sort of the base foundation level, I spoke to Paul, previously on this topic, it’s like, we have to have a foundation of inner work done, where you can at least, like push aside the ego and realize what we’re doing and why we’re doing it instead of, you know, just jumping straight into, you know, grabbing the technology that helps you with privacy, I think it’s more of why are we doing this? And how can it help in a community setting as well?

Unknown Speaker 20:37
Right. And, you know, another thing that my favorite writer Ellul said was that we need to understand that progress can be a myth. We’ve got all these tools. Well, why do I need a faster? jet plane? Do I need a faster jet plane? Right? Do I need to be able to get from Hong Kong to London in five minutes? Or am I just by moving faster? I’m going nowhere fast. So what does the individual develop and the Community Development provides purpose and meaning, we can then guide our technological decisions based on purpose and meaning. I don’t believe that the modern world as it stands, at least the secular world can provide that. So with that in mind, we can talk about technology. Yeah, I would, I would say that everything starts with learning how to properly use tools. So I see a lot of people that they they have these powerful cell phones, or they have these powerful computers, but they, they don’t know how to leverage the tool. So it ends up being used for things that are counterproductive. I’m not against playing games, and not against cinema I indulge in, I don’t indulge in games anymore. I’ve grown out of that. But I do watch cinema. And I think you need to be careful what you watch. Because there’s no such thing as cinema that isn’t built to frame your mind.

George Papp 22:21
Yeah, 100% is, whatever you indulge, you become in a way. So yeah, we have to write with you after Yeah, be careful what you watch. But yeah.

Matthew Raymer 22:34
But beyond that, do I know how to use this technology effectively and efficiently so that it can aid me in that mission of purpose? And to me, that’s the next step. If we’re going to talk about technology, it’s all framed in purpose. Exactly. After that, how can I adequately communicate with people across technology? Do I always need to have a video call? Or can I just use email? Or should I be How should I utilize chat? Just all of these beautiful tools were provided with that we can end up wasting our time, and they won’t be fit to our purpose anymore. conscious of

George Papp 23:24
that? Yeah. Because I think there is a good, you can utilize for good and for bad this these, these tools. They’re just tools. And a lot of people might say, potentially, I mean, I’ve, you know, potentially you could actually get rid of old technology and then just live in a community that has that bad, you know, living like, the old way. But if you are getting involved in these tools, which can help as well. There are Yeah, there are good uses. And bad news is obviously we’ve got social media, the majority of it is just used for creating emotions that are going to, you know, make you basically the jealous or, you know, the envy, the lust, right, basically, I mean, this is basically, it can really get you into a bad road. But then you’ve also got tools like for example IPFS, we’ve got other types of social media, which are not really based on that, which are more based on freedom and community building that can help in a good way for our community. So yeah, absolutely.

Matthew Raymer 24:34
And that brings us into specific kinds of technology. So as you said, IPFS is one of those technologies that I think is going to be helpful to the furtherance of the individual and the community because it’s not owned by anybody. It’s a tool similar to bit torrent that I described. earlier, that allows you to share files without worrying about necessarily where they’re stored. You can upload them on your computer, you share the link with other people. And it proliferates with the popularity of the link. So the more people who are interested in it, the faster downloads and the more secure it is, because it’s stored in many different places. That’s the simplistic explanation of how it works. So

George Papp 25:34
Can people for example, I know there’s a lot of issues with censorship? And yes, I guess would IPFS be that solution for, you know, if people host a website, can it be taken down, you know, let’s say if it’s just hosted on a standard centralized system? Well,

Matthew Raymer 25:53
if you use certain tools with IPFS, it would be next to impossible to censor. But if you just use the web based solutions, it would be possible to get a partial censorship. So the, the way IPFS IPFS works is it’s got its own software there, we will call them nodes. And these nodes are where the actual files that you upload get stored. But there are also what are called gateways. And these gateways are set up on domain names. And you can then access the files that were on the nodes through your browser. Those gateways can be censored at the DNS level. So there are dozens of gateways out there. And while you might see a file get censored on some gateways, it won’t be censored on all gateways. So what I would say to the new, the newbie, the person who’s only getting into it, that they need to be aware of what these other gateways are. But as you grow in your expertise of the system, you need to understand how to use the node itself. Now, you’re familiar with brave, brave browser? Yes. Brave, integrates IPFS nodes into the browser. So whenever you work with Brave you, you actually have an IPFS node in the browser. So it’s, it’s ahead of the game.

George Papp 27:34
Right. Okay. So just any of you out there who’s not unaware of brave browser is the well, it’s a browser, but also assert they have a search engine as an alternative to you know, Google or even DuckDuckGo. Nowadays, right? Fully private, censorship resistant, would you say?

Matthew Raymer 27:53
It’s censorship resistant, that on the downside, Brave is based off of the Chromium browser, so they have to try to take the updates of chromium and scrub any of the monitoring that goes on inside the source code for chromium? And they do a pretty good job at that. But it is something to be aware of that they’re using a Google product as their basis, because browsers are quite complicated.

George Papp 28:24
Sure, I mean, is that the best solution? So far that we have four browsers

Unknown Speaker 28:30
That we have available, that we have available, but I already know communities that are trying to write their own browsers that are almost totally open source? But like I said, browsers are very complicated. So there’s nothing out there, I would necessarily recommend to the average person.

George Papp 28:51
Sure. So I guess who have brave as the option, the easy option right now. If any of you still use Google out there, I mean, switch to brave, as well, I would say really, even that goes, I think it’s been out there now that they’re not even private in the sense so

Unknown Speaker 29:11
well, they’re gonna censor that they’ve admitted that they will censor. And I would say that there are again, a lot of these technologies are not for the average user yet. But there are systems out there that provide distributed search, which is another problem that we need to be addressing. Simply being able to share files is not enough. You need to be able to find them. Being able to index the files that are on IPFS is a difficult problem that’s being worked on presently. Are you familiar with the site presearch?

George Papp 29:49
I’ve definitely heard of presearch. Yes.

Unknown Speaker 29:53
I actually am supposed to be meeting with the CEO of those of that company, because I know someone who knows this Yeah. And they’re offering a very valuable service that they’re doing what Duck Duck, go, failed to do. And in fact, they actually pulled their data from Google and DuckDuckGo. But they also offer other aggregations of data. Myself, I’ve been looking very seriously into a product called yesI. It’s Y A C Y it’s been around since around 2012. It’s a Java based search engine. Again, this is not for your average user. But it’s available that it allows people to set up a index, and then it’s connected to hundreds or 1000s of other Yacy nodes. So if you want to search the internet, you could search it without using any of the big corporate companies. Cool.

George Papp 30:58
That’s definitely worth checking out. Yacy. I haven’t actually heard of those guys before. What’s the difference? I guess, between presearch and let’s say brave,

Matthew Raymer 31:08
as an example. Well, presearch is a web portal that you have to go to, to in using a browser. Whereas Brave is a browser, right? And brave does not provide search services. It just provides a web browser. There is a

George Papp 31:29
brave search, I believe now. I’m not too sure. Yeah. So it’s actually just not long came out. So maybe it’ll be worth checking out. Brave search engine? That’s what I use?

Matthew Raymer 31:42
No. Yeah, thank you, because I did not know that they had a search engine. Do you know if this is done, centralized, or if it’s decentralized,

George Papp 31:55
the way it’s very easy to use, I would suggest is potentially centralized. Because it’s very easy to use, right? A lot of decentralized stuff is not easy to use, yet, it will improve, right, but that’s where we should be moving to, of course. But the main, I think the main first step is to move away from Google. I think that’s where everyone should be moving away from, then let’s say you know, you’re using brave for a while, and you’re calm confidence sort of move on to you know, more decentralized and more complex stuff, you know, then you’ve got, for example, UFC and you’ve got presearch, potentially to move on to be is, is always a progress and a process is not something that happens, you know, instantly, you’re gonna go from Google to like using some sort of decentralized node system or, you know, building your own browser is always a process, right?

Matthew Raymer 32:48
Oh, absolutely. And that fits with the way I started our discussion, that this begins with you refining yourself what you know, and then sharing with other people, one of my ambitions for this year, because I also teach technology to people. And I’m putting together some courses on IPFS. And I hope within this year to be building a mega corpse that would encompass not only the technologies such as a IPFS, but it would also include the assay, and one of probably about a half a dozen other cryptocurrency based file sharing systems. Because you’ve got file coin, which is made by the same people who did IPFS. And you’ve got our we’ve and you got storage, and you got sky coin. All of these are search engines, excuse me, search your file sharing systems. And even presearch is a cryptocurrency. Incidentally, yeah.

George Papp 34:01
I’ll give you the an example of why this is important. You know, for example, if we’ve got files and actual just data, or work or books or anything that has been produced, if we go down the route of centralized, censored way, any information can just be burnt, and will not be able to be seen again. And this is the issue right? Then basically, centralized governments or big tech can basically just decide what informations on the internet and then basically sway any community to be a certain way and not even find information on anything else. Now, with decentralized options, this can’t happen. So therefore, we can save that information and they will be there forever in a sense, as long as internet’s around, which is very important to actually have that other option, and actually have that as something that can be you’d not be destroyed? Can these decentralized systems be be censored? Or basically be infiltrated in any way just to sort of go into that little bit?

Matthew Raymer 35:14
Um, was it too, like, I think that it’s going to be too difficult to take out something like IPFS, the easiest thing to do is to take out the gateways. It’s sort of like, you know, there was all that talk a decade ago about getting rid of BitTorrent. There’s BitTorrent is still here. And the reason it’s still here is because it’s 10s of 1000s of people utilizing it. And the policing of that is impossible. Yeah. That’s what we’re trying to build with, with IPFS. This is an opportunity for and I preach this to content creators, this is the opportunity to start building that super network that sits on top of the internet, and is uncensored.

George Papp 36:12
Yeah, we were discussing. For my website, we need, we basically need to, obviously, for a quick start, just got it started. But I know how important is going to be for myself and others to just get onto this stuff, especially coming in and listening.

Matthew Raymer 36:29
And let me just hasten to say that even though I’m really advocating IPFS right now, I think I’m doing that mainly, because it’s the most mature, it’s got the most adoption at the moment. But that doesn’t mean that there aren’t alternatives out there. Because there are certain things that are more difficult to do on IPFS, that other systems can do easier. And like, say having a database, you really can’t have a database on IPFS. Or you can, but it behaves in a way that’s not traditional. So there are alternatives to IPFS that maybe down the road, we should be considering. And let’s say that they’re in the laboratory at the moment. Yeah, so like, I’m really happy that there are entire videos, portals, like in front ends that have been built for IPFS, there is a version of get hub that was built using IPFS. So you can build some really radical tools. But it’s gonna take us time to get people familiar with how to use them. And we also have to have people contributing to that effort so that the bandwidth is sufficient to service a large number of people.

George Papp 37:57
Yeah, and I think that really does move to my next sort of question, how can I guess people get involved in the projects that you’ve suggested? Or even, you know, just get involved in this alternative tech space?

Matthew Raymer 38:13
What I would say start with, just go to the IPFS website, download the software, and play with it. Try to read the documentation. It’s actually not that hard to use. In fact, I’m trying to offer a fairly like an hour, sort, of course that step people through understanding what it is, and how to how to utilize it in the basic way. So that’s how you get started. Just play with it. Yeah.

George Papp 38:48
And also, I think, doing courses on it, it’s not really just to promote your view, essentially, I’ve done so many courses to just give me that Head Start of you know, how to use something, how to do something, because obviously, with crypto, that’s how I started as well, I didn’t, you can, I guess go down the route of sort of being manual and going through and learning it on your own, of course, because sometimes, you know, really accelerate that. And it gives you leverage in regards to if you want to find online work again, or if you want to build your own business, it helps you do that, because you’re learning skills that others don’t really know, especially in these sort of sectors, because they’re only growing and pretty much no one’s doing it. In this in comparison. So obviously the world population, there’s not many people who are dealing with IPFS who even know what it is. So yeah, get a head start, I think, in my opinion,

Unknown Speaker 39:42
Oh, for sure. And that’s been my talking about business. My philosophy has always been stay as close to the bleeding edge as possible. I tell my kids whenever they learn things, learn stuff that the average person’s not interested in learning but you know that people need. So, my son studied chemical engineering because it provides him with experience working with electrical engineering, mechanical engineering and chemistry. So he, he’s assured that he’s gonna, someone’s gonna need his skills.

George Papp 40:19
Yep, exactly, there’s a lot of necessity and need in especially the sectors that we discuss here. Definitely, with with technology, I mean, people will soon in my opinion, realize that they would need these solutions. Because I only see this may be getting a lot worse in a technology standpoint, for sure. Like, let’s say, if you’re living off grid in a community, you know, grocery and food and isn’t really using technology, that’s fine. But let’s say if we are using technology, there is I think, going to come a point where you’re gonna have to really give up a lot of your freedom to use this technology. And if we have these alternatives, you know, let’s say if there’s a digital ID to enter the internet, we’re gonna have alternatives, in my opinion. So I don’t think you know, let’s give up now, because you know, they’re going to create a digital ID, if they do, we’ll probably have a decentralized web, at some point

Matthew Raymer 41:13
mesh, mesh networks. Yeah. And, as I’ve often said, that people talk about shutting down the internet, which I do not think that they want to do, they do not want to shut down the internet, they, that’s their major intelligence gathering apparatus. But if they did shut down the internet, I could have a local area network just on equipment. Within a month, I could have my own local internet running within a month, because you’ve got all these routers just sitting around everywhere. Well, if the, if the larger internet was down, I could provide my community with connectivity. And you might say, Well, what use is that, let me tell you, what we have just laying around unused, all products, our, our grandparents would have given their left arm to have the ability to communicate like that over a short range. Because it’s better than a walkie talkie. Here,

George Papp 42:21
it’s amazing how the throwaway society is, you know, we’ve just grown to just throw anything that’s even a year or two old now. That’s right. Excellent. Well, I guess what advice sort of key takeaways, I know you’ve given quite a lot of advice and key takeaways already. But just to sort of summarize, what would you give our listeners to implement these sort of strategies into their lives?

Matthew Raymer 42:52
Oh, I would say, begin by just watching YouTube videos about the technology. I think, rather than advocating going out and paying money for a course, there’s a lot of free material out there. If you find yourself frustrated, then you might look for a paid course, to learn how to use this stuff. But that’s really, it really begins with the individual to decide to go out and learn how to use these tools. Yeah.

George Papp 43:27
And if you think, again, when it comes down to the foundation of why we’re using, and then when you see the importance, you will then be like, Okay, I need to search for IPFS I need to search for alternatives. Yeah, so I guess everyone check out brave check out IPFS. Yeah, see, ya see why. Any others?

Matthew Raymer 43:49
That we, I think, a little bit more experience, I would say look into mesh networks.

George Papp 43:56
That’s definitely on my list. Actually. It’s not something I’ve explored personally. But it’s definitely something on my list.

Matthew Raymer 44:04
And I would recommend everybody switch either to brave search, which you just introduced to me or to pre search.

George Papp 44:11
Yeah, that’s something that everyone can do today. And it’s quite easy. Especially if you want something very easy. Just switch the brave browser, sort of Google Chrome, or edge, for example, and use brave search engine instead of Google. And you know, it’s very simple. And it’s and it works very well even earn basic attention token as well. So you actually earn a little bit of cryptocurrency using it. Google doesn’t pay you anything to use it.

Matthew Raymer 44:41
They just sell your they sell your data.

George Papp 44:45
Exactly. So there’s no losses there. You probably get better information as well, because a lot of it’s censored on Google as well. So yeah, all right. Nice one. Well, thanks for joining me today and I look forward to having you on again. If due to potential I enjoyed it. Excellent. Make sure you subscribe to the podcast on iTunes or Spotify. Plus, if you’re interested in having one to one consulting to prepare your wealth for the great reset, check out the episode show notes for a link to crypto animus Also, we’ll put all the links to Matt’s material, Anomalist Design, if you’re interested in obviously moving your website or any of your businesses onto IPFS. Or if you want web design or any sort of tech solution, you know, we’ll put stuff in the description as well. So definitely check it out. Peace and love to you and thanks again.

Matthew Raymer 45:40
Thanks, George.

George Papp 45:42
Thank you