Episode 5 – Mike Cobb: Ready Made Autonomous Properties in Latin America

George Papp from The Conscious Renegade joins Mike Cobb, founder of ECI Development pioneering the way for real estate and community development in Latin America. Mike left a successful 12 year career in the computer industry to pursue opportunities in the Real Estate market, accurately predicting a growing need for high quality residential housing for North American Baby Boomers. He discusses the plethora of living options in Central America such as Colombia, Costa Rica, Ecuador, Nicaragua, and Belize with a climate and lifestyle for anyone. We also talk about ECI’s new acquisition at El Zonte also known as Bitcoin Beach with many amenities such as an exotic fruit orchard, farming land, vegetable gardens and living lots of all sizes equipped with solar technology. Dive into the podcast to hear more about your options for moving to Central America whether you’re paying with crypto or fiat.

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Michael Cobb

Interview with Mike Cobb: Ready Made Autonomous Properties in Latin America

George Papp 0:08
Hi, welcome to the Conscious Renegade Podcast with me, George Papp, helping you to be the change you wish to see in the world.

Today, we’re joined by Mike Cobb of ECI development. And we’ll be discussing Alternative Living solutions to free people from the current system and coming Great reset updates from our side. I mean, we’re currently doing a new membership for our crypto animus members. We’ve got some subscribers going now, and we’re looking to really get the dashboard created. So keep a lookout for that in the coming weeks. So yeah, thanks, Mike, for coming on. And I guess how are you?

Mike Cobb 1:06
Good, George, I’m nice. I’m really happy to be here and be able to cash and have a good conversation. Because the I think, I think we, we we share a lot of similar thoughts and, and, and concerns made, but to be able to talk about these and ideas that people can address those concerns and resolve some of them. It’s, it’s, I expect it to be a very hopeful and encouraging conversation.

George Papp 1:36
Yeah, I think the the main aim is to give solutions, and the main aim at the end is to give hope, because there’s always a way out. And there’s always a way, I believe this is actually a choice anyway, in this potential game that we’re living in life. I think we have that choice. I think it’s just finding those solutions. And obviously people like yourselves who are offering that. You know, it’s great to have you on and to discuss that with our audience here. And yeah, so it’s a pleasure to have you want. So yeah, I guess the first thing is your story before we go into ECI. And what it is, and what it does, I guess your story on, on how you got to where you are now. And where you know, how well was the aha moment in regards to I need to do something in regards to sort of Alternative Living?

Mike Cobb 2:27
Well, you know, it’s interesting. So I grew up in Northwest Pennsylvania in the country. And so I’ve always been I was out. And so I’ve always really had this, this notion of, you know, preparedness resiliency, right? I mean, you know, if you’re out in the country, you know, yeah, you have your neighbors and community is really important. And when we talk a lot about that, and we do a lot of that as a business, right. But you know, you’re kind of on your own a little bit. And so this idea of being prepared and having resiliency, I guess I agree with it, right, so So I think, you know, I got it from a very, very early age. And, you know, as I grew up and went to college, and after college, got into the business world, I was in the computer business, in the Washington DC area for about 13 years, and, you know, really hit it hard, I was working for somebody else. And, and but I always knew that I wanted to kind of, you know, be an entrepreneur and, and so when I started traveling down to Belize, in 1994, and seeing opportunities to serve clients in a way that they weren’t being served here in Belize early and then other countries of Central America, but what I found was, you know, there were ways to serve people who wanted to be in this part of the world, that would give them the comfort that they needed and expected, you know, from, let’s say, a North American standard type of product, but within a greater framework of community, really, really important. But then obviously, you know, this, this idea of of resiliency brought into it as well and, and so over the years, we’ve been in business now 26 years, what we’ve really is an evolution of our ability as a company to provide this community first and foremost, because while we you know, I think a lot of us maybe like to believe that we’re you know, rugged individualists. Right. I mean, and I think that’s, that’s a real term and, and many of us see ourselves that way. It’s certainly been the culture of, you know, Northern Europe and North America for you know, a few 100 years right, this rugged individualist, pioneering and those kinds of things, but the notion of community is also very, very relevant and probably much more relevant, relevant than this, this individualism right. But but the to hang together very, very well because personal responsibility is a critical element of, of independence and freedom. And I would say that personal responsibility is actually The flip side of the Freedom coin, right? If we want freedom, we have to have personal responsibility. And that generally is individually driven. But when we’re in communities, it gives us a lot more capacity. You know, it’s the idea of plus three is six, but three times three is nine, or four plus four, I mean, the more you get, the bigger the multiplier, right? And so community lets us leverage our individual talents in ways that we can’t. And so the company has really evolved and our mission, as an organization has changed over time, to really serve a consumer mostly out of North America, maybe, you know, 80%, say, of our clients come out of North America, who are looking for something very, very different, they’re looking for, and in some ways, an escape from the nanny state right to be able to live free or be free or be more free. But these folks also tend to be very adventurous souls, right? People who are thinking about moving overseas are adventurous. So when you blend in this desire to, to, to have resiliency to have alternatives to maybe some concerns that we see as, as, as North Americans in this case, and then to be able to have options and alternatives. So that’s really the evolution of our business. And in the last five years, what we’ve also seen as a technological revolution, that allows products like solar like battery, I mean, in the last five years, the solar and battery technology has just leaps and bounds over where it was, you know, 510 years ago. And so so now you’re starting to blend in a technological evolution, or maybe even revolution on these elements. And when all three of them come together, you’ve got a very, very powerful synthesis for an alternative way of living an alternative location of living, and an alternative type of community living in and around other folks who are adventurous, want that resilient lifestyle? And so, so that’s really been the evolution of me personally, but also the evolution of of our business, and how they integrate.

George Papp 7:17
Yeah, I mean, there must have been a lot more demand for your products. So we’ll go into them shortly. But there must have been a lot more demand in the last couple of years. A lot of people obviously have noticed, much more, maybe not even nanny state anymore. It’s more of a, like a Nazi state. But let’s say, you know, I think there must be a lot more demand. And I think we’ll need to go into how easy it is for people to to actually make this move, because it can be easier than you think, in my opinion. So I guess, I guess what is what is ECI? In a very basic nutshell, a lot of people may not have heard of you guys in regards to what you you actually provide. So yeah, just a very brief overview on what ACI development is, and and some of your products.

Mike Cobb 8:07
Yeah, well, let me touch on something first, because I think your your point about a Nazi state or police state, whatever we want to call it, I mean, it the technological abilities of Big Brother, again, leaps and bounds 10 years ago, you know, we didn’t really, you know, we didn’t really see it, it wasn’t so apparent, it was happening, right? I mean, they’re building these giant supercomputer centers in Utah and other places. And I mean, and, you know, NSA has been, you know, figuring out how to crack every code there is and store information to monitor every phone call every email, you know, every everything, right? And so, artificial intelligence, on that side of things has become far more sophisticated. And then obviously, the storage capacity to do that, likewise. And, and even if we just look at things like the medical, right, the artificial intelligence overlaid on top of the metadata that’s been collected by private companies, right, you know, all the different search engines and another, Facebook and Tik Tok and Twitter and all those search engines, but you know, the social media platforms, right? So there’s an incredible amount of metadata that’s been collected, overlaid with the sword official intelligence that’s just getting incredibly sophisticated. And so this is all happening and we’ve known it’s been happening or leaks about this and leaks about that, and we’re listening to the Germans and they’re upset and you know, right. I mean, there’s all this stuff going on. But but it wasn’t until people were really forced to you know, be locked down right, close their businesses and and get vaccinated or face significant penalties. cannot fly on an airplane. If you don’t wear a mask. You cannot. Canada was much worse. I mean, I think if you don’t get vaccinated, you can’t get on public transportation or these kinds. of things right? And and so you had this incredible top down imposition of, of, of, of rules, laws, regulations, while at the same time people could very visibly see the hypocrisy of the leaders who are enforcing it without their masks, right. And so I think that that juxtaposition of this police state kind of imposition of many things, while the leadership because masks are easy, like you can’t tell if somebody’s been vaccinated or not right that you can’t see that. But you can tell if Nancy Pelosi is not wearing a mask when she’s getting your hair done for John Kerry sing on an airplane without a mask, right? Or, you know, Governor Newsom is out at the French Laundry in his fancy dinner with his friends and standing up and talking without a mask, but anyone else would get, you know, harassed or or, you know, they arrested some paddleboard or out in the Pacific Ocean out all by himself in the Pacific Ocean, because he was violating a stay at home mandate. You know, I mean, like, I’m sure the Coast Guard and police spent, you know, 10s of 1000s of dollars, if not $100,000 to send a boat into arrest this man, right? So, so so so you have this police state, but then you also have the hypocrisy of the leaders and with social media and the very visual nature of these impositions. Now, all of a sudden, people became aware of it in a big way. And so to answer the question, you ask George, yes, yes, our business grew five fold from 2019. We’re at about three and a half million dollars in sales. Last year, we were just under 25,000,024. point something. So our business went from three and a half to 25, in a two year period. And it was largely driven by people who had that not a sense, let me just call it a cent or paying attention. But it didn’t, didn’t feel so urgent, right? Maybe there was smoke, I couldn’t see the fire. But there was smoke blown and right over the over the over the ridge, right? All of a sudden, when the flames are burning across the ridge and coming down, like there’s a sense of urgency. And so yes, we we we saw a tremendous amount of action, people taking action, on on concerns that they’ve been harboring for a long time. But kind of May at that low level, kind of this isn’t great, I’m not liking it too. Holy crap, I gotta get out of here. Or at least I gotta get a plan B, some people were moving. Some people are making a plan B, and a plan B, probably probably a third of the people moving maybe a quarter of the people moving. And

you know, two thirds, three quarters, making what I call as a Plan B, which is you get a residency overseas, which again, we’ll talk about how easy that is very easy. And get residence, condo, a home, whatever overseas, so that you’re prepared, right. And if you want to use it as a vacation property, use it as a vacation property, if you want to put it in a rental program, put it a rental program, right? Or if you actually want to move into it now or have it for an emergency. And in the future. You have it right. So so so this has dramatically risen in terms of the amount of people doing it. But but also it is fairly easy. And it’s fairly affordable. It’s a lot more affordable than most people think it is. And we can go anywhere on that particular element that you want to go. George, I just want to stop and make sure I answered your question. Because I did run a I did run a trail out there. So I hope I got back to I hope I got back to what you asked.

George Papp 13:33
Yeah, you definitely did. I think the interesting thing is that we needed to have to be forced to Well, I will say a lot of people had to sort of be forced to make the change now. I guess if it wasn’t affecting your life before, like all these sorts of mandates and stuff now obviously are affecting people’s lives. But previously, you know, things were going on in the background, and it wasn’t actually in the for, for everyone to see really. And now obviously is it’s basically there for everyone to see all these sorts of these sort of technocratic, you know, communistic sort of things. And that’s kind of made people make the change they needed to do in their lives. And it’s in a sense, it’s been a real positive for me. I mean, it’s, it’s, I guess, hard to say that when you see a lot of suffering elsewhere, but I know that there’s a lot of people who have actually taken this as a positive and and actually changed their lives. It definitely happened for myself. So yeah, I guess moving on to BCIs properties because I know you’ve you’ve got communities in different sort of countries in Central America. What are the dynamics of the properties because I’ve seen some tiny homes. I guess how self sufficient are they and is there a sort of banding where you can have you know, as self sufficient as anything, so basically you are basically just fully self sufficient to some that are on grid or are they all fully self sufficient properties? What about the sizes of the properties? Are they all tiny homes? Or are there a lot of sort of other options as well? Yeah, just to sort of go over some of the properties and the areas that you’re in as well.

Mike Cobb 15:22
Sure. So, so let me let me start at the, at the big picture and work my way to, you know, specific products, right. You know, what we’ve learned over 26 years of being in business is that, you know, the different strokes for different folks, right? Some people are beach people, that’s fine, that’s good. But in Central America, you actually have three diff, totally different kinds of beach, you’ve got Caribbean, which is the under standard white sand 16 colors of blue water, blah, blah, blah, you’ve got Atlantic, which is, you know, again, the white sand for bigger waves, but it’s Atlantic Ocean. And then you’ve got Pacific Ocean, which are the big waves. And each of them are very different. And each of them have a very different feel. So even if you said, Well, I’m a beach person, you still have to kind of decide what kind of beach Do you really want, right? Because you have choice. Some people say, Well, I’m not really a beach person, I’m more of a mountain person I want to live where it’s springtime all the time, right? And so those climate types are very special, in fact that they’ve actually been probably the earliest biggest draws to places like Costa Rica, and Mexico with you know, waddle, ahora, San Miguel, Central Valley of San Jose, Costa Rica, the Central Valley. Again, these were places that people flocked to Cuenca, Ecuador, Medellin, Colombia, because it’s springtime all the time. So it’s not at the beach. It’s in the highlands. But it’s cool, cool weather. Right? And, and so, again, different climate types sort of drive different people’s interest, right? What do you like? And then then there’s the notion of, do I want to live in a city? Okay, fine. Do you want to live in a modern city? Or would you rather live in an old historic colonial city? Or do you want to live in a town? Right, because that’s a choice to? Or do you wanna live at a resort setting? Right? A lot of people wanna live in a resort setting, they want a golf course they want tennis courts, right. Other people say, You know what, I just want to farm out the middle of nowhere, right? So again, we serve, we serve many of those one on sort of all of those, but I bring them up to this particular, you know, discussion, because it’s really important for for folks to understand that, that that moving overseas, it really can be almost anything you can mix and match. You can have an old colonial city at the ocean, Cartagena, Colombia, you can have an old colonial city up in the mountains where it’s springtime all the time, Quake Ecuador, you could say well, I like that it’s always springtime, but I want to modern city, Medellin, Colombia. Well, I want to modernity at the beach. Oh, Panama City. Somebody says I love Phoenix. I love the desert. I really wish I could have desert at the beach. No problem, Cabo San Lucas, Mexico, right? Or, oh my gosh, I love Key West or I love you know, I love you know, the Turks and Caicos or Cayman Islands, but my gosh, I can’t afford $2 million. Great ambergris key Belize, it’s the Caribbean, it’s, it’s, you know, it’s Cayman Islands and British Virgin Islands for for, you know, 25% the price, right? I mean, a quarter of the price. So, again, we can kind of mix and match as consumers what we want and we can largely find it in Central and South America. So what we’ve done is today, and we started in Belize, 26 years ago, we we bought our first property in Nicaragua in 2000. We have property in Costa Rica, we have two properties in Panama. But we have a third in acquisition in Panama right now. All very different. And we have a new acquisition in progress right now in El Salvador at at El Zonte Bitcoin Beach. And, and that one is a little bit different. I mean, it’s it’s a Pacific Ocean surfing destination, but the community there will be a community of Bitcoiners and it’s being built specifically with our

partner there Mike Peterson, the godfather of Bitcoin in El Salvador. He’s the guy that got it all started there. He is our business partner, and we’re going to build a community not so much for geography per se, but for the Bitcoiners who want to in our three 350 addresses between condos homes and tiny homes right to build a village for people who are true Bitcoin maximalist, right I want to be around other people who love Bitcoin. I want to be around my tribe, so to speak. So sometimes you’re talking about a weather or or if diving in ambergris key Belize or surfing say at Gran, Pacifica, or climate type. That’s something I use. Sometimes you have those poles, in this case in El Zonte, Bitcoin Beach. It’s a tribe of Bitcoiners. And so being able to build communities for these various interests is important. Um, and so, you know, I’m gonna use our grand Pacific it just for a minute, because I think it’s the broadest of property options. So we have everything from a large home site estate, home sites and acre on the Pacific Ocean, to these tiny homes. And so the tiny homes, by the way, are 100 150 yards from the Pacific Ocean, but they start about $135,000. So you can actually have a whole home 150 yards from the Pacific Ocean for $135,000. Right, that’s a tiny home, we have I’m gonna call moderately sized homes, 12 1500 square feet, homes on the water, ocean front on the Pacific, for about $400,000. If you want one of these one acre estate lots and build them a million dollar house, you can do that. As well. But and then we have other homes that kind of range from say 150 to about 300,000 on, you know, whatever, between six, seven acre and quarter acre home sites. So it’s the whole range of things. But we have 2500 acres, we’ve got, I’ll make up a number, maybe 25 acres right now in various fruit producing species, whether it’s mangoes, sour orange, Noni. And we have several other species as well, that we have already planted as orchard fruit producing, we have probably 100 acres of corn and sorghum in season, that’s on the property, it’s continually farmed. We have some cattle on the property as well. And we just at the behest of some of our residents who have moved to grant but we have 100, we have about 100 homes under construction at this moment. And about 30 folks have moved and are renting homes in anticipation of their home being completed and then moving into their new home, we have about 30 folks that have done that. And at their behest, we’ve actually created to what I’m going to call a truck truck farm. I don’t know what else to call it. But vegetable garden kind of plots large I mean, a couple acres total of a vegetable garden, in addition to all the other agricultural elements, the tiny homes are all solar, we do run freshwater to them. And and we have one neighborhood that’s 100% solar, as well with with 1500 to about 3000 square foot homes. So it is very possible. And that’s sort of been that leap in technology, right, five, eight years ago, probably would have been a lot harder to really do big homes with solar. And get your carrying capacity through the night, you’d have to have giant banks of batteries. And now that’s shrinking of course. So. So again, we offer a very broad range of products, both from price, say, under 150,000. To a million. Right. And then the other thing what we’re doing in Nicaragua is we’re in acquisition of a couple farms close to grant Pacifica, maybe three, four miles away, where people could actually own between 10 and 15 acre farm parcels where you know that they would be you know, they could they could, you know, farm kind of pretty much anything on you know, 10 to 15 acres, whatever grows in Nicaragua, but corn, soybean, sorghum, other other crops, rice grows very well. So again, this would be these would be very, very resilient, agriculturally food resilient home sites that people could have. But even inside grand Pacific, we have a large degree of resiliency, with what we already have there. So did that answer their question, George? Again, I’m I run, I run long trails, and I think I’m covering stuff. But if I miss something, please bring it out. And let me know.

George Papp 23:48
No, you definitely since you’ve answered a few of the questions, actually, that I had. But I think, you know, I didn’t actually I was actually unaware of the fact that you guys did agriculture as well, and farming, which I was, which is, which is great. Because really, this sounds like an all in one solution for someone. You know, basically, it’s just almost like a ready made exit plan. And I think this is very important for people to know that there is this option out there. And there’s obviously a growing need to sort of move away from potentially big cities. I know you can cater for that. But I guess there’s a growing need, at least in the West to move out of those types of places to decentralize your food. decentralize your energy, especially now, as we continue moving forward. There are preconceptions in the West as well about the types of how central America is in regards to how the people are we, we know most of that is kind of propaganda. I guess any comments on like, I guess how these different nations are as places to live really. Obviously, the preconceptions of being dangerous is quite funny because I I used to live in London. and and you know, they used to say that, you know, isn’t it dangerous in other No, just going to Athens or something, also Greece is dangerous. And I’m like, you can walk down the road here in London and probably get stabbed, because that’s just how it is in London. And it’s like, I don’t know, where this kind of mentality came from, obviously, we know that they push that type of thing on the television and stuff. But I guess, yeah, just comment on on the countries that you facilitate your your properties, and just, yeah, just, I guess, put people at ease in a sense of how it is.

Mike Cobb 25:37
Look, I think it’s, it’s kind of a human nature thing. And some of it may be intentional. And I think, you know, you know, the US State Department puts different countries on their warning list based on, you know, whether they’re playing ball with the US, are they voting in line in the UN or not? Or, you know, whatever it is, right. So I think the US plays some, some political games with that. But, but I think the biggest part of this crime fear stuff actually is sort of who we are as a species, right, as human beings. And so the old notion in the media, if it bleeds, it leads, right. And so, you know, I think the news media that I mean, I don’t know that they’re trying to do anything other than sell advertising. I mean, they’re trying to do something, they’re trying to sell it, get ratings and sell advertising. That’s what they’re doing. Right? It’s an economic interest. I mean, maybe there’s some conspiratorial stuff where they’re in League, and you know, they’re pushing an agenda. And I think that happens too, of course, but but at the fundamental bottom line, they just want to sell it, they just want to sell advertising space, whether it’s paper print, or or TV or whatever, you know, screen. So if it bleeds, it leads, and therefore, what we see on the news media are all the horrible, tragic, bloody things that happen anywhere in everywhere, right? Because that that works, right works from an economic perspective for them. The reality, as you know, London can be dangerous, London can be safe. Any, any city can be dangerous, any city can be safe to factor factors. One, crime is generally local, you know, lightning can strike anywhere. It can, but it doesn’t write very often. Right? So So you know, it’s, it’s crime is local, there are certain neighborhoods in London that are far more violent than others, where your risk of being stabbed go way up versus way down, right. So there’s, there’s sort of that locality piece. And then there’s also the behavioral piece, right? If I’m out at four in the morning, and I’m trying to buy some dope, chances are, I’m putting myself at a greater risk than if I’m at home in my bed at four in the morning asleep, right? What’s the risk factor, right? One is no. One is me. So we have location, and we have behavior. And, and so so just to be very specific, you know, I moved to Nicaragua with my blonde wife, and my towheaded daughter, who was two, in 2002, I moved them to Nicaragua. And we thought we’d lived there for two, three years, we ended up staying 14 years, because my wife loved it. And we had another little daughter that came along. And George, I travel all the time, I literally was gone two to three weeks a month, leaving my wife and two daughters who don’t look Nicaraguan at all in Nicaragua, you know, for for the better part of 14 years. And, and there was zero incidents, we had no incidents in 14 years, you know, but but again, we lived in a neighborhood that was relatively safe again, lightning can strike anywhere, but the neighborhood was safe. And my wife and daughters were home in bed at four in the morning, right. So so again, from a location and a behavioral standpoint, like we took the right approach, I believe the right approach, the safe approach, right or wrong, the safe approach. And so, you know, when you look at countries, you can’t look at a country just like you can’t even look at a city. Like you can’t say, oh, London safe, London’s dangerous. Yeah, both statements are true, right. And so so when we start to look at where crime happens, and how crime happens on the behavioral side, if we choose to be safe we can be. And so as a developer, right, we look at parts of the country, where we do our business, and we find the places that are generally safe. And we don’t control people’s behavior, that people are people that do whatever they want, right? But from a location standpoint, where we developed is safe. And you know, an unproved putting I mean, I again, I I left, I felt comfortable enough to leave my wife and daughters alone in Nicaragua two to three weeks a month for 14 years. And if I thought it was dangerous, a we probably wouldn’t have lived there and be I surely would not have left them alone. You know, a couple three weeks a month so so I think that that that’s the crime issue. But let me let me give the solution The solution to the crime issue is really a trip. Right? I always tell people, the single best investment you can make is in a plane ticket and three nights hotel fare, that’s the best investment you’ll ever make. Right? Because you have to judge something for yourself what I think is safe, you might not feel as safe, right? Or as safe. I mean, it’s a spectrum, right? But the point is, is that if I get on an airplane, and I go somewhere for two or three days, four days, whatever, at the end of that 234 days, I’m gonna have a pretty good sense of whether it’s right for me from a safety standpoint, let’s call that first. But also from climate standpoint, from a friendship standpoint, from a community standpoint, from just simply, gosh, how did it feel to be there? Right? I mean, like, that’s a big deal. How did it feel to be there?

So, you know, three, four days is enough to really get a sense of that, I don’t know that that’s enough. You know, it look for for somebody getting a plan B, A, plan B is a rational decision, I need a plan B, I need a place that I can leave and move to and stay for the rest of my life. If bad stuff ever really starts happening in my home country. That’s a rational decision. Because it doesn’t really matter how much you like it or don’t like it safety’s a factor. Of course, resiliency is a factor, right? But if but if you if you feel like okay, that’s a safe area, and there’s a level of resiliency that meets my desire, right? Those Those are rational decisions, whether you like the weather or not, is irrelevant, because you’re not moving there for the weather, you’re moving there, because something horrible is happening, Paul, right. And so And for most Plan B buyers, write a plan B owner is somebody who says this is a rational decision, I might vacation there if I happen to like it, right. But but even if I don’t like it, it’s a great plan B. But at the same time, here’s the really cool thing, even if you don’t like it. So for example, I like to use the example of Hawaiian pizza, I don’t like Hawaiian pizza. But if I owned a pizza parlor, I would sell Hawaiian pizza. Why? Because it’s not about what I like. It’s about what other people like. And so the really cool thing about setting yourself up with a plan B is that you can own this home, you can get your permanent residency, and if, say you like it enough to vacation two, three weeks, four weeks a year, but the other 50 weeks a year, you can put it in a rental program, because there are lots of people who love surfing in Nicaragua who loves diving in Belize, who loves hiking in the coffee, and tea invitations in and around, you know boca de Panama islands, tropical islands, lots of people love those kinds of things, right. And so one of our businesses is to promote the rent of homes and condominiums when they’re not there. Because it’s a way for them to help offset their costs, right? Talk about making money. Because look at Plan B as a cost. Can we offset those costs? And to some degree or a little bit? A lot, all of them, maybe we make some money? e ha, that’s great, too, right? And, but But the notion of a Plan B is sort of insurance, I don’t want us to call it it’s insurance, right? And so you put it in place. And if you can, if you can get some offset cost, that’s tremendous. And if you can make a little money, that’s even more tremendous. Right? And if you knew that the vacation property, awesome, right? But that’s not why we do it, we do it because we want the plan B we want that ultimate in freedom insurance, right? And freedom insurance, by the way. You know, a lot of people look at insurance from a financial standpoint, or asset protection, protecting our assets, money, stocks, things, right. But but freedom insurances is ultimately the most important because, you know, while we we might have financial freedom if we’re a prisoner in our country, because we we don’t have a residency somewhere else, right? We don’t have a home somewhere else to go to. And things really get tight, tough and ugly. What do we really have, we might have lots of money in the bank account, but if if our life is miserable, you know where we are, and it could be tremendous somewhere else, you know, that, that, that, that that that’s why people are doing it. And, and so we’ve structured our business, in many ways to help facilitate that solution for people who want the plan B. And again, you know, it’s it’s insurance. It’s it’s, it’s, it’s a rational decision.

George Papp 34:48
It’s interesting in regards to the what you were saying previously about, actually visiting the places you know, three days and a plane ticket. It’s really true because you know, there’s always these preconceptions, but unless you actually see it for your own eyes and actually spend some time in a place, I don’t think you can actually even have the judgment. Obviously, other people will tell you probably most of the time negative things because most people unfortunately tell negative stories about most places. And most things it just drew is just what I guess humanity is drawn to in this stage. But I think it’s very interesting to say, yeah, go and go and visit those places. Even if it’s for a few days, just judge it for yourself, it might not be for you exactly. But there might be another place for you. If you’re just stuck, and you’re not seeing anywhere else than where you are. Then you can’t open your eyes to what’s potentially better for you and your family. And I think that was a really, yeah, great advice, to be honest. I know, I guess,

Mike Cobb 35:49
by the way, we, we’ve been giving that advice. For 26 years, we’ve been given the same advice for 26 years. In fact, I was. I’m in Belize right now. It’s why why I’ve got this white, beautiful white wall behind me. I’m in a borrowed conference room to get this quiet time. But, you know, I’m in Belize, and I was I was driving my golf cart, I parked my golf cart, ran upstairs to my condo, and there was a guy out on the front porch. And I had seen him three or four times, but I hadn’t spoken to him. Ron is his name. And Ron’s like, Yeah, I’m, I’m renting here. I’m getting my, my residency in Belize. And, you know, and, and he said, You know, I, I can’t remember how to come up and say, I’m think I’m gonna go to Nicaragua and check out your place there. So are you are you, you know, what are your thoughts? Where do your attention is? Well, someday I want to buy but I just didn’t want to do it. I wanted to rent. I wanted to rent and see if I liked it. And I said, Ron, that’s exactly right. I said, we tell people it sounds crazy coming from a developer, right? But we tell people at conferences, I give presentations, I write about this stuff, rent before you buy, right rent before you buy, because, you know, again, whether something hits your heart, right is a very different experience. So a lifestyle purchase is very different from a Plan B purchase, right? I think three, four days. Okay. Yeah, this is I could I could live here if I had to. It’s nice. It’s beautiful. If I’m not here, oh, yeah, I can see we can rent this place out. There’s a golf course there’s surfers. I mean, so that’s all rational stuff. Right. But if somebody and about a third, again, a third of the folks who have we’re building homes for right now at Gran Pacifica are already there or plan to move when their home is done. And, and so for those people, right, it’s a lifestyle decision, right? It’s, it’s going to be their home. And so those two evaluation processes are very different ones ahead, decision, right? Insurance, rational Plan B, the others more, I’m gonna live there, like, you know, it’s a very different different evaluation process. So, but but but but both are extremely relevant, depending on why you’re making this overseas. Ownership decision. Yeah.

George Papp 37:59
Yeah. And then goes down to, I guess, very similar to my situation, really, myself being in the Mediterranean. Unfortunately, I’m in a place where we’re in the EU. However, I like the lifestyle general, generally, in a sense, we have the beach, that’s for me, we’ve got the mountains, we’ve got a lot of the things that, you know, we like as we have community, we know people here which can help. In regards to a plan B solution for myself, as an example, I would probably look at Central America, because I know that the EU, in my opinion, as what I can see is Go is more technocratic and more controlled compared to a central America in in large numbers, right? We can see Central America is a vast land, they never really get involved in too much a war really, in records to external war anyway. So that’s an example of what I, I would suggest as a plan B for myself would be in in Central America, compared to a plan B, being where I am now, this is more of a lifestyle that I that I sort of prefer myself. Right, I guess going into more of the nitty gritty stuff, which is an English term for like the small details. I guess it’s like, more on the actual how, how easy it is for people to actually get into these properties. So what I guess is the minimum people need to put up front, is there a sort of loan opportunity? Or is there a minimum deposit that can be put on these properties? What are the price ranges? I know you already kind of mentioned that. But I guess let’s say there’s an average family in the US who they don’t have too much savings. They’re quite, you know, I guess new to this and their savings aren’t as large compared to some guys who’ve got some wealth behind them. What options do they have in a sense if they wanted to leave the US or Canada or anywhere else? And they just wanted to make this Step and then also residency as well, for those types of people who want to move there permanently. How easy is it? And what I guess is the process?

Mike Cobb 40:12
Sure. And George, I know we started a little bit late because of my internet, and I apologize, but I have got a board meeting that starts in 11 minutes. And so let me make some very specific quick answers, but also offer folks the ability to reach out to us, okay. And, and we can provide incredible specific detail the nitty gritty, as you say, on on any of the products on any of the information about loans, but very generally, what I would say is, we can offer financing on any of our products up to 80%. So they need people need to come to the table with 20%. So let’s say it’s $150,000, tiny home. Again, they’re about 129,000. But let’s call it 150. Because that’s easy math for me, they need to put $30,000 down, they can borrow the rest. So 80% financing. You know, any investment, say in Nicaragua, Grandpa Sophia over $30,000 entitles you to a residency. So the legal paperwork on that maybe is five $7,000 government fees, I don’t know, but call it seven to be safe, right? So So $150,000, home, tiny home or less. And then another, say 7000 for your lawyers and your legal fees, you actually get a home and a permanent residency in Nicaragua. So it’s pretty easy to do, right. And a lot of folks are doing that, of course, because if you have a plan B, you want a residence and you want a residency a permanent visa, so you want both. One of the things that we’ve seen a lot of people do because we serve a lot of people coming out of the crypto space. There are organizations now that will let you pledge your crypto for as collateral for a Fiat loan. So we have a lot of people who pledge their crypto and then take that cash that they get from the from the collateral in the crypto use that to downpayment or purchase a home outright. We We also accept crypto for folks who want to pay any part of their of their home or condominium with crypto, we accept, I don’t know 10 11 12 of them different ones. And again, the nitty gritty, we have all the information for folks on that. Belize flip gears just for a second British Honduras. So all the folks over in England, and the UK, who remembered is British Honduras, you know, a studio condominiums starting there about three blocks off the Caribbean. So short walks where I that’s where my condo is, it’s where I stay three blocks off the water starting at $129,000. So 134 for a beautiful studio condominium, it’s actually in a Best Western branded hotel, hotel community. So you can use it as a vacation property you can put in a rental program, but you can also live in it. We have like Ron that’s downstairs, okay, he’s, he’s a long term renter, he’s been there almost a year. So again, lots of lots of lifestyle choices, we have a Marriott property in development, that’s right on the water here in Belize, those properties start about 350 and go up. But again, a Marriott oceanfront residence on the Caribbean in the right, there’s the Caribbean ocean for for 350. So, so kind of price points, again, that sort of under 150, up to kind of whatever you want to spend kind of numbers, but But realistically, 150 to about 300 with 20%, down 80% financing conventionally, and then, you know, the crypto side of things as well being alternatives for folks who are in that space.

George Papp 43:59
Yeah, that’s, that’s amazing. Really, I really liked the fact that you accept crypto as well as an option. That’s definitely, you know, growth, I think we have to use those types of tools as well. So actually putting them in to your to developments is great into the financing side. I usually get asked for advice to give to the audience. But to be honest, I actually think you’ve, you’ve really given a lot of different strategies, different advice here throughout the call, so no need for that. I think you’ve already given so many great points, then I just have to thank you. I know you have to leave now. But I just have to say thanks for joining me today and we look forward to having you on again in the future in regards to maybe other buildings that you’re doing and other developments that will come in the future. I guess make sure you subscribe to the podcast as well guys on iTunes or Spotify. Plus, if you’re interested in having one to one consulting to prepare your wealth for the great reset, check out the episode show notes for the link to crypto animus consulting.com. Also, we will put all the links to ECI development stuff in the description. So definitely check that out, you will definitely be able to see all of the properties and all the details as well. But yes, gone gone, like

Mike Cobb 45:12
you asked for one piece of advice. And what I would like to offer folks is the ability to download our consumer resource guide. It’s got 15 questions, it’s got several articles. It’s got some mini country handbooks. It is a it’s about a, I don’t know, 60 70 page book of advice. Okay, so my advice to everyone is to grab the consumer resource guide, you’ll put the link there and OSHA a will reach out and provide that to you. But But the best advice is to be prepared to arm yourself with the right kinds of questions to to property ownership overseas. And this consumer resource guide is the best advice that we can ever give. It’s a distillate of 26 years of experience, 26 years of mistakes, 26 years of successes really distilled down to this one book called The consumer resource guide and, and George, we’d love to make that available to folks listening as well. And I’ll make sure Shinae sends that link so that your folks can can grab that. That’s the one piece of advice I would give, please download the consumer resource guide. And it will be a very, very valuable resource for for everybody thinking about property ownership overseas.

George Papp 46:29
Yeah, it’s just an Overview Guide. And it’s a very in depth look into to what you have options wise. So I think definitely check that out. We’ll have the link in the description and show notes as well. So thanks again, Mike. Thanks again for coming on. It’s been great and you’ve given so many sort of great key advice for for people out there. I’m sure a lot of people would definitely be interested in your in your stuff. I know I am personally as well. So Excellent. Well, good. Yes. Peace and love to you all and thanks for listening.

Thanks, Mike again.

Mike Cobb 47:01

George Papp 47:02
Thank you

Episode 4 – Matthew Raymer: Privacy and Censorship Resistant Technology Solutions

George Papp from The Conscious Renegade joins Matthew Raymer, a freelance researcher, serial entrepreneur and technologist specializing in software engineering and computational physics speaking out against online censorship. He holds degrees in Physics, Mathematics and Computer Science with published work in the field of Computational Biophysics. Recognizing the value of community, Matthew has contributed to the open source software community in projects such as BitTorrent and HAProxy and advocates for technologies such as decentralized communication tools, IPFS, microcomputers and cryptocurrencies. Learn from Matthew as he divulges information he has learned after 30 years of consulting for government agencies and corporations, and details how we can address the threats these entities pose to individual privacy and freedom of speech.

The Conscious Renegade is an independent media organization striving to educate, engage, and empower you to be the change you want to see in the world. Whether you want to quit your nine-to-five, find financial freedom, or make a positive difference in society.

Privacy and Investing Strategies to exit the Great Reset and beat Inflation

Matthew Raymer
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Interview with Matthew Raymer: Privacy and Censorship Resistant Technology Solutions

George Papp 0:08
Hi, welcome to the conscious renegade podcast with me, George Papp, helping you to be the change you wish to see in the world.

Today, we are joined by Matthew of Anomalist Design. And we’ll be discussing alternative tech solutions, determining strategies to free people from the current sort of mainstream tech solutions. And obviously the coming Great reset, How are you Matt? and thanks for coming on.

Matthew Raymer 0:51
Oh, George, thank you. I’m doing quite fine. And yourself.

George Papp 0:56
Excellent. Yeah. Thanks again, for coming on. We obviously have been in touch previously, and not just here today. But we’ve been discussing, obviously tech solutions for my business and discussing other solutions. And it’s very interesting to get that sort of perspective for me. So I guess, well, can we start, I guess, where you started, in your journey to where you are now anomalous design, and how you sort of got sort of involved in the sort of freedom of movement?

Matthew Raymer 1:28
Well, you know, as far as my history, my background, I was born in the Midwest, United States, in Kentucky. And I was always very interested in the eclectic subjects. So I’ve been involved in music whenever I was, in high school, I did about six years of formal music training, that included music theory. But toward the end of my high school tenure, I got interested in the sciences, particularly computer science and physics. And I wrote my first software whenever I was 13. I had my first company whenever I was 15. And I got very interested in scientific programming. So that got me into college, I triple majored in mathematics, computer science and physics. And I’m published in computational biophysics. And that got me really interested in problem solving. So I’ve been very interested in difficult edge cases, and just deep problems, difficult problems. Whenever I entered graduate school in physics, I found though, that I was kind of discontented with the idea of staying in physics my whole life. So I took a year off. And that set me off on a pathway of kind of traveling. At the same time, I also started after a year, I started a master’s degree in computer science, but then I was traveling in Southeast Asia, where I ended up getting married to a local in Southeast Asia. And after going back to finish my master’s degree, I came back and married her and have lived there ever since. Because of my degrees and my connections, I was able to do a lot of freelance work early on in the late 90s. And I realized by about 10 years or so living here that I needed to be making more substantially more money to be able to support two children and a wife. So I ended up contacting my classmates and getting involved in consulting with them and ended up doing work for various corporations and, and occasionally, some government agencies. Which kind of got me introduced to the world. I, I lived in kind of a shell very idealistic family. My dad was what I would call a classic old school conspiracy theorist. throughout my teenage years, he tried to convince me that the world was run by the bankers and that they were taking over everything and I even though I loved my dad and had a lot of respect for him, I thought that he was a little crazy. Didn’t realize, as I grew older and experienced dealing with government and dealing with corporations that he was more right than was comfortable to be right. I know I experienced 911 Here In Southeast Asia, and it was, it was kind of surreal for me. Because, of course, you live here long enough, you really don’t feel like you’re part of the West anymore, even though you might have the passport. And so it took me a while to kind of wake up to the fact that something was wrong about the way things were going in the West. So I would say, even though my dad had been telling me things were going wrong, my whole childhood. It wasn’t until I got to my late 30s That I was like, wow, you know what dad was right about all that. And it took me down the rabbit hole I, as I like to tell people I gave up on mainstream media around 2007. That was before I really felt like I understood what was going on. I just had a feeling from listening that what they were telling me didn’t match reality. And it wasn’t until about, say 2011 2012 That I had finally encountered someone like Alex Jones. And while I found it kind of distasteful to listen to. I also found that my own experience with the world kind of resonated with some of the things he was saying. Now, at one point, I’d say quickly, after about a year of listening to him, I had to give up.

Cuz it was too stressful to listen to him. What but in the interim, I began to meet people like James Corbett, and Richard Grove and a variety of other people, because there are people that were publishing back in that time period that no longer Publish. And it really began a blossoming of my understanding of the world and connecting the dots and saying, Well, you know, what, if anybody is going to look out for me, it has to be me, that looks out for me. I can’t rely on governments or institutions to do that, because they won’t look out for me. Now, I knew, from my own experience, that there had been calls for censorship of the internet, starting even back in the mid 90s. I have this anecdote. I liked Excel of sitting in a database management class in graduate school, and having the instructor come in and say it like in 1994. He said, This internet cannot stay open, it has to be closed. And I remember thinking at the time, no, no, I think it should be open. And that’s all been a thought in the back of my head. So whenever I got into this frame of mind of questioning everything that I was being told, officially, I started collecting information. And if you’re a geek like me, and you have lots of data, you want to write tools to help organize and keep that data and disseminate that data. I got involved early on even before that, I got involved in the BitTorrent community as far as the actual back end software part of it. And I was very interested in distributed technologies. So I started leveraging what I understood about that and other tools to upload shows of people to BitTorrent that I thought were important for people to hear. So I remember I did a lot of James Corbett stuff I did a lot of Mark Passios stuff. Richard Grove, I did a lot of his stuff. I don’t know if you’re familiar with the work of Richard and James.

George Papp 8:53
I definitely am. I’m sure many of the listeners are as well. I guess just to quickly interrupt there. Were just some people who don’t know what BitTorrent is. Just explain what that is. And what it does. Basically,

Matthew Raymer 9:10
BitTorrent is a is a networking protocol, which let’s just call it a program is a network program that allows large files to be distributed by many different people. Thus, in the aggregate, producing an efficient tree transfer of large files without in any individual person having to share more of the burden. So in essence, if your ISP had a limitation on how much data could be coming from one person, this could get around that because you could take a very large multi gigabyte file, chop it up into tiny little bits, and then have 100 People send it to you, and she would end up getting Get the maximum capacity of your internet, if that makes sense. Yeah.

George Papp 10:04
Okay. Makes sense. And going back to your conversation there about your way you sort of realize the world was how it was. It’s interesting when it’s like when you actually end up working in corporations or government or with them. That’s a huge part of actually realizing what’s going on

Matthew Raymer 10:26
starting a starting a business can be shocking. And I know I’ve heard people say that the number of people who start businesses isn’t as much as it used to be. So you have people making assumptions about what it means to have a business. And they don’t really understand how difficult it is to have a business. And that you need to respect that and not think that simply because someone has a business, that they’re that they have some privilege of some kind, they actually have a lot of nasty responsibilities. And don’t always get treatment. Try setting up a business in Southeast Asia. As I’ve said to other people, I hear a lot of expats that come here, assuming that if they made it in the first world, it’s easier in the in the developing nation. And I would say now, simply because you made it in the a developed nation, it’s actually quite a bit harder to make a business work here. And that’s a whole other show all by itself.

George Papp 11:38
Yes. Yeah. I mean, there’s other problems with that, isn’t it? It’s not, it’s easier to set up stuff in in the US and the West, in a sense, get things aligned. But then, there are obviously downsides to how organized it is over there as well. But then there’s a lot of downsides to how unorganized it could be in the third world. By the year, you navigate them guessing. And it’s definitely worth the pros outweigh the cons, I’m sure.

Matthew Raymer 12:08
Yeah, yeah. It’s, yeah, we’ve managed to figure out how to get to get by. Yeah. And to be, you know, successful, I would counted as successful. And I’ve really only met one other expat that could have done it. The rest of them kind of like cry, mercy and leave.

George Papp 12:33
It’s really a good, you know, having the skills if you know, some of you guys in the audience is still working nine to five. You know, to get out of that, I mean, just learn skills, like, I mean, especially online skills. I mean, I’m sure you can advocate for that. But it’s release you from the nine to five, and then you can potentially, you know, do contract work for different companies or, you know, from anywhere in the world. So you’re not sort of trapped in one place. So that’s one thing that I guess you can take away from this. I’m sure. Yeah, I mean, I guess moving to, let’s say, the traditional topics of the actual traditional tech, industry and solutions to the I mean, why do we need to move away from traditional tech solutions, and what our guests are the traditional tech solutions currently, like, obviously, registering a domain, hosting a website on a centralized system, or even just obviously, our everyday tech, like, potentially Apple and Android and Mac and stuff like that. So yeah, just describe, I guess, why we potentially need to move away or what solutions there are to potential censorship or tracking or yeah, just anything you can actually advise on?

Matthew Raymer 13:56
Well, let me step back a bit and talk about one of my favorite writers as a backdrop for why we need to be getting away from corporate tech. One of my favorite writers is a fellow by the name of Jacques Ellul. He wrote a book back in the 1950s, called the technological society. And in it, he gave a meta analysis of the scholarship and movements that were occurring before his time that were going to lead to a technocratic world state. Now, Ellul’s work is dark, it’s very, very, very dark. Most of the people who are who are listening, I am sure, have encountered Ellul’s work in some form. They just didn’t realize that they were encountering it. So for instance, the the name slipped my mind, the fellow that went around blowing up the people from technological companies. He lived out in the forest. He was the victim of MK or ultra

George Papp 15:14
The name surpasses me.

Matthew Raymer 15:16
Yeah, you think you know who I’m talking about

George Papp 15:19
I think I’ve heard of this.

Unknown Speaker 15:20
Yes. And for some reason that name slipped my mind completely up. Hold on, let me let me search real quick. So anyway, but this fellow had Ellul’s work in his bookshelf, whenever they finally caught him. And he thought that if we didn’t abandon he was a primitivist not Ellul. But this person, I would say crazy person. He was a primitive said we should abandon all technology because it was going to kill us. And Ellul’s is a bit more nuanced than that. But his argument was that it was the soul seeking for efficiency, not only through technological means sweat through procedural means that we’re going to ultimately kill humanity. Before he died, he became more optimistic. The reason he became more optimistic was because of microcomputers. Because in the early time, in computers, the only person who could own a computer was a corporation or a government. So that power to be able to use computation and leverage its power for you as an individual, it moved from on high down to your hands. And now we carry around devices in our hands, powerful than anything that was made in the 1950s. So he saw that as a chance to escape the death of humanity. Because it allowed the individual to have more control over their own life, and to choose how they were going to live. Whereas before that, it looked like the cards were all against us that it was going to be central top down control for the rest of us for the rest of humanity’s existence. Ellul didn’t really live to see the internet. And the internet is that next phase liberation. And I wish I wish I had known what he would have thought about cryptocurrencies, which is potentially another level of liberation. What we’re losing whenever we hand this back to corporations, is our very liberty to decide on how we’re going to live our lives. We often think of it only in terms of spying, but it’s more than that. It’s the actual ability to make your own decisions. So what happened with the cloud was the cloud is the attempt to destroy the power that the micro computer could give to the individual. If we don’t keep with all of our minds, the ability to have computational power and communications tools that we control, we’re going to lose that liberty that allows us to decide how we’re going to live. So what do I suggest we do about that? Well, it’s beyond technology. I believe it starts with the community, the people around you, I think that every solution begins within the person. Even though I’m a technologist, I really do believe in the individual. And I also believe in the community. We need we are social creatures, we need interaction. So when we work on our inner work, we need to make that inner work so that we can relate to a group of people who are obliged mind. And it’s another topic entirely, but I do not believe that necessarily, humanity can or has to have uniformity of belief, nor to necessarily want to be around one another. But you will find people that you can be around people that you can resonate with, and you need to find those people. We don’t want to be individuals atomized so that we’re easier to control. We want to be clusters of individuals that help one another. And that can be in the form of family it can be in the form of a club. For those people who are more religious, it can be in the form of an ashram or a church or synagogue. But when Eat these communities that’s where we need to start.

George Papp 20:09
Yeah, the sort of the base foundation level, I spoke to Paul, previously on this topic, it’s like, we have to have a foundation of inner work done, where you can at least, like push aside the ego and realize what we’re doing and why we’re doing it instead of, you know, just jumping straight into, you know, grabbing the technology that helps you with privacy, I think it’s more of why are we doing this? And how can it help in a community setting as well?

Unknown Speaker 20:37
Right. And, you know, another thing that my favorite writer Ellul said was that we need to understand that progress can be a myth. We’ve got all these tools. Well, why do I need a faster? jet plane? Do I need a faster jet plane? Right? Do I need to be able to get from Hong Kong to London in five minutes? Or am I just by moving faster? I’m going nowhere fast. So what does the individual develop and the Community Development provides purpose and meaning, we can then guide our technological decisions based on purpose and meaning. I don’t believe that the modern world as it stands, at least the secular world can provide that. So with that in mind, we can talk about technology. Yeah, I would, I would say that everything starts with learning how to properly use tools. So I see a lot of people that they they have these powerful cell phones, or they have these powerful computers, but they, they don’t know how to leverage the tool. So it ends up being used for things that are counterproductive. I’m not against playing games, and not against cinema I indulge in, I don’t indulge in games anymore. I’ve grown out of that. But I do watch cinema. And I think you need to be careful what you watch. Because there’s no such thing as cinema that isn’t built to frame your mind.

George Papp 22:21
Yeah, 100% is, whatever you indulge, you become in a way. So yeah, we have to write with you after Yeah, be careful what you watch. But yeah.

Matthew Raymer 22:34
But beyond that, do I know how to use this technology effectively and efficiently so that it can aid me in that mission of purpose? And to me, that’s the next step. If we’re going to talk about technology, it’s all framed in purpose. Exactly. After that, how can I adequately communicate with people across technology? Do I always need to have a video call? Or can I just use email? Or should I be How should I utilize chat? Just all of these beautiful tools were provided with that we can end up wasting our time, and they won’t be fit to our purpose anymore. conscious of

George Papp 23:24
that? Yeah. Because I think there is a good, you can utilize for good and for bad this these, these tools. They’re just tools. And a lot of people might say, potentially, I mean, I’ve, you know, potentially you could actually get rid of old technology and then just live in a community that has that bad, you know, living like, the old way. But if you are getting involved in these tools, which can help as well. There are Yeah, there are good uses. And bad news is obviously we’ve got social media, the majority of it is just used for creating emotions that are going to, you know, make you basically the jealous or, you know, the envy, the lust, right, basically, I mean, this is basically, it can really get you into a bad road. But then you’ve also got tools like for example IPFS, we’ve got other types of social media, which are not really based on that, which are more based on freedom and community building that can help in a good way for our community. So yeah, absolutely.

Matthew Raymer 24:34
And that brings us into specific kinds of technology. So as you said, IPFS is one of those technologies that I think is going to be helpful to the furtherance of the individual and the community because it’s not owned by anybody. It’s a tool similar to bit torrent that I described. earlier, that allows you to share files without worrying about necessarily where they’re stored. You can upload them on your computer, you share the link with other people. And it proliferates with the popularity of the link. So the more people who are interested in it, the faster downloads and the more secure it is, because it’s stored in many different places. That’s the simplistic explanation of how it works. So

George Papp 25:34
Can people for example, I know there’s a lot of issues with censorship? And yes, I guess would IPFS be that solution for, you know, if people host a website, can it be taken down, you know, let’s say if it’s just hosted on a standard centralized system? Well,

Matthew Raymer 25:53
if you use certain tools with IPFS, it would be next to impossible to censor. But if you just use the web based solutions, it would be possible to get a partial censorship. So the, the way IPFS IPFS works is it’s got its own software there, we will call them nodes. And these nodes are where the actual files that you upload get stored. But there are also what are called gateways. And these gateways are set up on domain names. And you can then access the files that were on the nodes through your browser. Those gateways can be censored at the DNS level. So there are dozens of gateways out there. And while you might see a file get censored on some gateways, it won’t be censored on all gateways. So what I would say to the new, the newbie, the person who’s only getting into it, that they need to be aware of what these other gateways are. But as you grow in your expertise of the system, you need to understand how to use the node itself. Now, you’re familiar with brave, brave browser? Yes. Brave, integrates IPFS nodes into the browser. So whenever you work with Brave you, you actually have an IPFS node in the browser. So it’s, it’s ahead of the game.

George Papp 27:34
Right. Okay. So just any of you out there who’s not unaware of brave browser is the well, it’s a browser, but also assert they have a search engine as an alternative to you know, Google or even DuckDuckGo. Nowadays, right? Fully private, censorship resistant, would you say?

Matthew Raymer 27:53
It’s censorship resistant, that on the downside, Brave is based off of the Chromium browser, so they have to try to take the updates of chromium and scrub any of the monitoring that goes on inside the source code for chromium? And they do a pretty good job at that. But it is something to be aware of that they’re using a Google product as their basis, because browsers are quite complicated.

George Papp 28:24
Sure, I mean, is that the best solution? So far that we have four browsers

Unknown Speaker 28:30
That we have available, that we have available, but I already know communities that are trying to write their own browsers that are almost totally open source? But like I said, browsers are very complicated. So there’s nothing out there, I would necessarily recommend to the average person.

George Papp 28:51
Sure. So I guess who have brave as the option, the easy option right now. If any of you still use Google out there, I mean, switch to brave, as well, I would say really, even that goes, I think it’s been out there now that they’re not even private in the sense so

Unknown Speaker 29:11
well, they’re gonna censor that they’ve admitted that they will censor. And I would say that there are again, a lot of these technologies are not for the average user yet. But there are systems out there that provide distributed search, which is another problem that we need to be addressing. Simply being able to share files is not enough. You need to be able to find them. Being able to index the files that are on IPFS is a difficult problem that’s being worked on presently. Are you familiar with the site presearch?

George Papp 29:49
I’ve definitely heard of presearch. Yes.

Unknown Speaker 29:53
I actually am supposed to be meeting with the CEO of those of that company, because I know someone who knows this Yeah. And they’re offering a very valuable service that they’re doing what Duck Duck, go, failed to do. And in fact, they actually pulled their data from Google and DuckDuckGo. But they also offer other aggregations of data. Myself, I’ve been looking very seriously into a product called yesI. It’s Y A C Y it’s been around since around 2012. It’s a Java based search engine. Again, this is not for your average user. But it’s available that it allows people to set up a index, and then it’s connected to hundreds or 1000s of other Yacy nodes. So if you want to search the internet, you could search it without using any of the big corporate companies. Cool.

George Papp 30:58
That’s definitely worth checking out. Yacy. I haven’t actually heard of those guys before. What’s the difference? I guess, between presearch and let’s say brave,

Matthew Raymer 31:08
as an example. Well, presearch is a web portal that you have to go to, to in using a browser. Whereas Brave is a browser, right? And brave does not provide search services. It just provides a web browser. There is a

George Papp 31:29
brave search, I believe now. I’m not too sure. Yeah. So it’s actually just not long came out. So maybe it’ll be worth checking out. Brave search engine? That’s what I use?

Matthew Raymer 31:42
No. Yeah, thank you, because I did not know that they had a search engine. Do you know if this is done, centralized, or if it’s decentralized,

George Papp 31:55
the way it’s very easy to use, I would suggest is potentially centralized. Because it’s very easy to use, right? A lot of decentralized stuff is not easy to use, yet, it will improve, right, but that’s where we should be moving to, of course. But the main, I think the main first step is to move away from Google. I think that’s where everyone should be moving away from, then let’s say you know, you’re using brave for a while, and you’re calm confidence sort of move on to you know, more decentralized and more complex stuff, you know, then you’ve got, for example, UFC and you’ve got presearch, potentially to move on to be is, is always a progress and a process is not something that happens, you know, instantly, you’re gonna go from Google to like using some sort of decentralized node system or, you know, building your own browser is always a process, right?

Matthew Raymer 32:48
Oh, absolutely. And that fits with the way I started our discussion, that this begins with you refining yourself what you know, and then sharing with other people, one of my ambitions for this year, because I also teach technology to people. And I’m putting together some courses on IPFS. And I hope within this year to be building a mega corpse that would encompass not only the technologies such as a IPFS, but it would also include the assay, and one of probably about a half a dozen other cryptocurrency based file sharing systems. Because you’ve got file coin, which is made by the same people who did IPFS. And you’ve got our we’ve and you got storage, and you got sky coin. All of these are search engines, excuse me, search your file sharing systems. And even presearch is a cryptocurrency. Incidentally, yeah.

George Papp 34:01
I’ll give you the an example of why this is important. You know, for example, if we’ve got files and actual just data, or work or books or anything that has been produced, if we go down the route of centralized, censored way, any information can just be burnt, and will not be able to be seen again. And this is the issue right? Then basically, centralized governments or big tech can basically just decide what informations on the internet and then basically sway any community to be a certain way and not even find information on anything else. Now, with decentralized options, this can’t happen. So therefore, we can save that information and they will be there forever in a sense, as long as internet’s around, which is very important to actually have that other option, and actually have that as something that can be you’d not be destroyed? Can these decentralized systems be be censored? Or basically be infiltrated in any way just to sort of go into that little bit?

Matthew Raymer 35:14
Um, was it too, like, I think that it’s going to be too difficult to take out something like IPFS, the easiest thing to do is to take out the gateways. It’s sort of like, you know, there was all that talk a decade ago about getting rid of BitTorrent. There’s BitTorrent is still here. And the reason it’s still here is because it’s 10s of 1000s of people utilizing it. And the policing of that is impossible. Yeah. That’s what we’re trying to build with, with IPFS. This is an opportunity for and I preach this to content creators, this is the opportunity to start building that super network that sits on top of the internet, and is uncensored.

George Papp 36:12
Yeah, we were discussing. For my website, we need, we basically need to, obviously, for a quick start, just got it started. But I know how important is going to be for myself and others to just get onto this stuff, especially coming in and listening.

Matthew Raymer 36:29
And let me just hasten to say that even though I’m really advocating IPFS right now, I think I’m doing that mainly, because it’s the most mature, it’s got the most adoption at the moment. But that doesn’t mean that there aren’t alternatives out there. Because there are certain things that are more difficult to do on IPFS, that other systems can do easier. And like, say having a database, you really can’t have a database on IPFS. Or you can, but it behaves in a way that’s not traditional. So there are alternatives to IPFS that maybe down the road, we should be considering. And let’s say that they’re in the laboratory at the moment. Yeah, so like, I’m really happy that there are entire videos, portals, like in front ends that have been built for IPFS, there is a version of get hub that was built using IPFS. So you can build some really radical tools. But it’s gonna take us time to get people familiar with how to use them. And we also have to have people contributing to that effort so that the bandwidth is sufficient to service a large number of people.

George Papp 37:57
Yeah, and I think that really does move to my next sort of question, how can I guess people get involved in the projects that you’ve suggested? Or even, you know, just get involved in this alternative tech space?

Matthew Raymer 38:13
What I would say start with, just go to the IPFS website, download the software, and play with it. Try to read the documentation. It’s actually not that hard to use. In fact, I’m trying to offer a fairly like an hour, sort, of course that step people through understanding what it is, and how to how to utilize it in the basic way. So that’s how you get started. Just play with it. Yeah.

George Papp 38:48
And also, I think, doing courses on it, it’s not really just to promote your view, essentially, I’ve done so many courses to just give me that Head Start of you know, how to use something, how to do something, because obviously, with crypto, that’s how I started as well, I didn’t, you can, I guess go down the route of sort of being manual and going through and learning it on your own, of course, because sometimes, you know, really accelerate that. And it gives you leverage in regards to if you want to find online work again, or if you want to build your own business, it helps you do that, because you’re learning skills that others don’t really know, especially in these sort of sectors, because they’re only growing and pretty much no one’s doing it. In this in comparison. So obviously the world population, there’s not many people who are dealing with IPFS who even know what it is. So yeah, get a head start, I think, in my opinion,

Unknown Speaker 39:42
Oh, for sure. And that’s been my talking about business. My philosophy has always been stay as close to the bleeding edge as possible. I tell my kids whenever they learn things, learn stuff that the average person’s not interested in learning but you know that people need. So, my son studied chemical engineering because it provides him with experience working with electrical engineering, mechanical engineering and chemistry. So he, he’s assured that he’s gonna, someone’s gonna need his skills.

George Papp 40:19
Yep, exactly, there’s a lot of necessity and need in especially the sectors that we discuss here. Definitely, with with technology, I mean, people will soon in my opinion, realize that they would need these solutions. Because I only see this may be getting a lot worse in a technology standpoint, for sure. Like, let’s say, if you’re living off grid in a community, you know, grocery and food and isn’t really using technology, that’s fine. But let’s say if we are using technology, there is I think, going to come a point where you’re gonna have to really give up a lot of your freedom to use this technology. And if we have these alternatives, you know, let’s say if there’s a digital ID to enter the internet, we’re gonna have alternatives, in my opinion. So I don’t think you know, let’s give up now, because you know, they’re going to create a digital ID, if they do, we’ll probably have a decentralized web, at some point

Matthew Raymer 41:13
mesh, mesh networks. Yeah. And, as I’ve often said, that people talk about shutting down the internet, which I do not think that they want to do, they do not want to shut down the internet, they, that’s their major intelligence gathering apparatus. But if they did shut down the internet, I could have a local area network just on equipment. Within a month, I could have my own local internet running within a month, because you’ve got all these routers just sitting around everywhere. Well, if the, if the larger internet was down, I could provide my community with connectivity. And you might say, Well, what use is that, let me tell you, what we have just laying around unused, all products, our, our grandparents would have given their left arm to have the ability to communicate like that over a short range. Because it’s better than a walkie talkie. Here,

George Papp 42:21
it’s amazing how the throwaway society is, you know, we’ve just grown to just throw anything that’s even a year or two old now. That’s right. Excellent. Well, I guess what advice sort of key takeaways, I know you’ve given quite a lot of advice and key takeaways already. But just to sort of summarize, what would you give our listeners to implement these sort of strategies into their lives?

Matthew Raymer 42:52
Oh, I would say, begin by just watching YouTube videos about the technology. I think, rather than advocating going out and paying money for a course, there’s a lot of free material out there. If you find yourself frustrated, then you might look for a paid course, to learn how to use this stuff. But that’s really, it really begins with the individual to decide to go out and learn how to use these tools. Yeah.

George Papp 43:27
And if you think, again, when it comes down to the foundation of why we’re using, and then when you see the importance, you will then be like, Okay, I need to search for IPFS I need to search for alternatives. Yeah, so I guess everyone check out brave check out IPFS. Yeah, see, ya see why. Any others?

Matthew Raymer 43:49
That we, I think, a little bit more experience, I would say look into mesh networks.

George Papp 43:56
That’s definitely on my list. Actually. It’s not something I’ve explored personally. But it’s definitely something on my list.

Matthew Raymer 44:04
And I would recommend everybody switch either to brave search, which you just introduced to me or to pre search.

George Papp 44:11
Yeah, that’s something that everyone can do today. And it’s quite easy. Especially if you want something very easy. Just switch the brave browser, sort of Google Chrome, or edge, for example, and use brave search engine instead of Google. And you know, it’s very simple. And it’s and it works very well even earn basic attention token as well. So you actually earn a little bit of cryptocurrency using it. Google doesn’t pay you anything to use it.

Matthew Raymer 44:41
They just sell your they sell your data.

George Papp 44:45
Exactly. So there’s no losses there. You probably get better information as well, because a lot of it’s censored on Google as well. So yeah, all right. Nice one. Well, thanks for joining me today and I look forward to having you on again. If due to potential I enjoyed it. Excellent. Make sure you subscribe to the podcast on iTunes or Spotify. Plus, if you’re interested in having one to one consulting to prepare your wealth for the great reset, check out the episode show notes for a link to crypto animus consulting.com. Also, we’ll put all the links to Matt’s material, Anomalist Design, if you’re interested in obviously moving your website or any of your businesses onto IPFS. Or if you want web design or any sort of tech solution, you know, we’ll put stuff in the description as well. So definitely check it out. Peace and love to you and thanks again.

Matthew Raymer 45:40
Thanks, George.

George Papp 45:42
Thank you

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Welcome To The Conscious Renegade!

Welcome to The Conscious Renegade, a centre for content which will give you the tools to free yourself to live a more fulfilling life away from the current system and The Great Reset Agenda.

We will be interviewing people in various sectors of our society who are ‘being the change they want to see in the world’ so you can do the same and change the world one step at a time.

Instead of focusing on the negatives of the current system within all sectors such as Health, Education, Infrastructure, Economics etc, we will be looking for strategies to help you implement the solutions in your life.

As this is a new project, we always welcome collaborations to help get the project grow, so feel free to reach out to us if you are interested in contributing!

Episode 3 – Paul The Agorist: Ecovillage Community in Mexico

George Papp from The Conscious Renegade joins Paul, who was inspired to seek like-minded individuals desiring to live harmoniously with nature in an Ecovillage. He is heavily involved in the Freedom Cell movement in Mexico and is actively working to help others break the mold of modern consumerism. In this interview, we discuss the challenges around forming communities, resolving conflicts between community members and finding the right opportunity for someone to participate in evolving an Ecovillage project. Although getting involved legally and financially in an Ecovillage with complete strangers can be a daunting task, Paul’s experiences shed light on the possibilities, enabling you to achieve your dream of living a comfortable life in nature surrounded by a supportive community.

The Conscious Renegade is an independent media organization striving to educate, engage, and empower you to be the change you want to see in the world. Whether you want to quit your nine-to-five, find financial freedom, or make a positive difference in society.

Privacy and Investing Strategies to exit the Great Reset

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Telegram: https://t.me/EcovillageShare
Mexico Migration: https://t.me/MexicoMigrationFreedomCells

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Ron Finley, the Guerrilla Gardener in South Central LA

Ron Finley plants vegetable gardens in South Central LA — in abandoned lots, traffic medians, along the curbs. Why? For fun, for defiance, for beauty and to offer some alternative to fast food in a community where “the drive-thrus are killing more people than the drive-by’s.”

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Interview with Paul The Agorist: Ecovillage Community in Mexico

George Papp 0:08
Hi, welcome to the Conscious Renegade podcast with me, George Papp, helping you to be the change you wish to see in the world.

Today, we are joined by Paul, who is part of many freedom social movements, including ecovillage, share, and Mexico migration. And we will be discussing alternative limited living, eco villages and other relevant topics, determining strategies to free people from the current system and the coming Great Reset. How are you, Paul, thanks for coming on.

Paul 0:56
Hi, Georgie. Great to be feeling great. Ready to go.

George Papp 1:00
Thanks for coming on. I know you’ve been really busy. And you’ve obviously having a lot of projects on at the moment. But yeah, thanks for coming on again. Yeah, I guess let’s start with just sort of give a setting what your story is, and where you started, obviously, all the way till now. But where does it start your story and how you got here?

Paul 1:23
Yeah, just to say as well, your great question that yeah, thanks for it. Also, it’s been wonderful to connect with you. Just hear your passion, your energy, your vision as well. really inspiring. So really good to be on the call with you. My story, okay, I’ll do a really brief run, even though I’ll go all the way back because it kind of like, sometimes gives people some, some inspiration or more of an idea of where people’s stories begin often is a great way to understand other people and what are their motivations? I kinda had to figure it out that 10 years ago, they weren’t why why is this whole community thing so important to me, where I can’t seem to meet as many people as passionate as I am about this topic and about humans collaborating more closely with one another, to achieve greater success. In other words, creating by unifying, creating more prosperity. So there’s, there’s a bigger pie, so we all get a bigger slice of the pie kind of thing. And I think my grandmother was able to leave Czechoslovakia at the time when I was one year old, and she that was a communist country, and she wasn’t allowed to leave. So my mother didn’t see her mother for 11 years. But as soon as she was she was a pensioner essentially stopped being a taxpayer. Suddenly, the communist regime there had a heart and said, Look, I think you haven’t seen your daughter for so long. If you’d like you can, you can go to Australia, but but the only thing is, you’ll lose your pension and never get it back. And you can never return. And of course, that was an offer she was happy to accept and my family as well. So I was blessed that my grandmother with me from the age of one till 18, and she was there every day, I’d come home from school, she was there. Anyway, she was from a small village called pecan nets. And she was a really strong influence in my life, I won’t go into it anymore, I’ll start getting emotional, but, but just she had that small village kind of mentality. And she just was always there to help everyone, especially the family. And she really enjoyed giving and caring and sharing. And I find the same thing in Mexico. That’s why I felt so at home when I first came here when I was 19. And I’m a bit old, that now. It’s been about 26 years or so. But But yeah, it’s that’s kind of my main motivation for how I get in, got into community, I guess. And then then we’ve done many experiments in community, different types of urban community community gardens, a community center where we had yoga meditation, ecstatic dance, we had Friday foodie festival whenever we bring food, ideally, we definitely stressed that we only want organic food and no junk food and nothing from the bigness layers. Coca Cola has or, or, you know, main brand name junk foods or processed foods. So it was a real healing space. And that was an urban project. No, and I’ve visited many eco villages. So I guess, me that when I look back and think about why was I so inspired, it would be my family cultural background from Czechoslovakia, and my mother and my grandmother being from a small village even though my father is from Prague. And he was a lot colder and a lot more like a city kind of vibe, where my, my mother’s side were very much from a tiny village of 8000 people. Yeah,

George Papp 4:33
that’s very interesting. It’s so true, where it looks like just the the small village lifestyle is still it’s not that far away. It’s not it’s not been that many generations away. But it feels like we’ve disconnected so much from that. They just seem so different to what our usual lives are in the city or in large towns, for example, obviously in the West. But yeah, it’s nice to see that you connected with that, when was that your aha moment then? When it was?

Paul 5:07
I think in life we have so many aha moments, but definitely kind of just one moment of introspection, I’m like what you know, and I was a bit a bit deep. You know, we all going to have ups and downs in our lives and emotional shifts, and and it was one of those where I was just exhausted from the community work. And I had many of those moments when I was exhausted and tired and drained and feeling like poor me, why do I have to do this? Why do I seem to care so much when it seems so hard to motivate others to, to want to connect more with their community rather than what I call the God alone method, which ultimately, is what we’ve been trained in competition and consumerism and materialism and, and to build our own career and build our own family. And, and you know, to a degree that can work. But you know, if you really look at if you look into most multimillionaires, especially those who have made or let’s say successful people financially, a lot of them have made it at the expense of their own family and expense of their own children, their children hardly know them, or they have a really bad connection with their children or with their partner or they’ve had losses. And if you want to, if you want to have true success, see, I believe that a person who is successful you a lot of money, but their life is a train wreck. If you want true success, it’s only going to come from going back to our roots of true community where people really really live as givers rather than takers. And they want to contribute just like my grandmother always wanting to contribute. And she was an eternal wellspring of energy and generosity. It was never like, poor me, I keep giving and no one’s giving me back, she, she just had a great joy of giving. And that’s what Mexicans are like to they have a great joy of giving. So yeah, I think we have lost our way. And there’s that emptiness in a lot of people’s souls. And you see that a lot in Australia, and I’m sure in the UK and Europe, the USA, people feel like their life has no purpose and meaning. And generally that’s, that’s, that’s the mission in life to discover our purpose and meaning and really, we have to just make it up. So I make it up that I love contributing to people around me and seeing more people smile. And generally Mexico people love to see you smile and do things for you. That just put warm your heart so so yeah, I think that’s where we’ve lost. A and, and and that’s why I’ve chosen Mexico, because I think it’s just an easier environment. After many attempts in Australia. It’s yeah, it was a it was always a goal to come here. But I would have loved to have had a community remain functioning but our community and in Mexico, them collapsed. But they’re all great learning lessons.

George Papp 7:34
Yes, I guess that there, there’s always going to be challenges along the way. It’s never easy. We’re not trained to I guess know this straightaway, because we’ve been indoctrinated in, in schools. So we never knew. So we had to sort of start again, I guess. But yeah, let’s, I mean, why do you think we have to, I guess, move away from how we’re living currently. I mean, it’s pretty obvious, in my opinion, and probably most of the audience, but just to sort of reiterate why eco villages and how you see community, why we have to move away from what’s currently the current societal sort of structure, just so everyone can sort of know that.

Paul 8:15
Yeah, excellent question. And a good area for all of us to have some introspection as well, about what where their future path forward is. And one way I look at it is as well, it’s in times like these, even at the best of times, but in time, is with so much uncertainty and so much certainty that that there’s a certain small group of people that want to steer humanity in the direction that they choose. And and not necessarily the best direction for them for the vast majority of humanity. And they don’t seem to think we have a choice in the matter. And I think that’s that’s very unreasonable. It’s,

George Papp 8:48
it’s literally criminal.

Paul 8:48
So. So yeah, it’s another aspect too, is you’re correct. We’ve been trained in a certain type of living that is not helping us to collaborate effectively together, even though we can do so in a more academic format or in a dry calculating way we can work together, but ultimately, it’s sort of for our personal gain or for my family, rather than thinking about my community. And there’s some interesting parallels with good health and having a mindset of caring for your community and your community caring for you, actually has been proven through scientific study decades of scientific study that vastly improves your health and minimizes your risk of serious chronic diseases or especially heart attacks and, and problems of, of the circulatory system. So that’s an interesting segue there, maybe for another nother conversation of the day but but also Yeah, it’s it really is a time now when when we do need to relearn as you said, We’re never taught this in school or university, you know, 12 years at school and then University. Yeah, don’t don’t really cover this in any way. Because it’s not the in the best interest of the people. Those who who want to mold us to become employees in their corporations, right? So, so it is it is becoming particularly important to figure out that this has been our, our primary, it’s been our evolutionary path, to live harmoniously in communities and learn to get along with your, your fellow man. And if anyone goes to a small village, or drive anywhere in the world, that’s functions on these kinds of principles, they will see that that in effect, and we’ll have an amazing learning lesson there, tiny villages all across Mexico, just like in Europe. But here, here, there are so many small village and they have unbelievable amounts of festivals and activities, and everyone gets to participate. And, and although it’s changing, it’s going to take a lot longer for the consumerism and the competent competitive spirit and nature to fully take over, I believe, and hopefully Mexicans will be able to put up put a stall on it and and how to sort of the modernization, yeah, Facebook and, and modern culture and modern TV series, TV programming are all doing their bit to try and remove this aspect of the community kind of consciousness rather than just a self serving consciousness. So yeah, I think I think ultimately, if we get it right, we will do a lot better in community. And on that point on that, you know, there’s, there’s, I’ve seen some articles recently about how people think, you know, it’s one or the other, either we become slaves to us, that we don’t want to be a part of anymore, and we’d love to be in an alternative. And it’s either that or we’ve got to find an alternative community and almost come GPS, and it’s not really like that at all. And that was kind of the experience of just realizing, Oh, my God, we’ve all got different personalities and characteristics that people come together, it’s just too easy to end up in arguments and problems, even if people start out wanting the best for each other, you know, our habits and our, our indoctrination in those forced indoctrination camps called schools, it just kicks in by default, it’s it’s there in the, in the subconscious, if anything, and, and then we saw, we do need to actually

have options. So I call it a hybrid ecovillage system. And, you know, anyone can call what they want. But basically, it’s not just one, one ecovillage. And everyone needs to fit into this model, it’ll have something for people who, who, just to give you an example, like a normal permaculture, with animal husbandry, another section, where people actually illegally separate, and they have legal legally separate agreements, but they all all coordinate with each other. So you can have an eco village with permaculture and animal husbandry and other eco villages, for more people who are vegetarians or vegans. And then another section can be for people who want to live individually, yet benefit from some of the benefits of of these communities, but they don’t want to jump jump right in and, and mainly share land with others and share tools, you know, share, like, for example, a chainsaw share a communal kitchen, people can have a kitchen in their home as well. But but you know, maybe in the Eco village, you might be agreement between the people that you meet for dinner once a week, to just check in, make sure everyone’s feeling well and have that sense of community, if you just come to the community dinner once a month, when you’re not really living in a community, you know that that’s, you know, people need to define what what their ideals are for how they look after each other, and how many activities they participate in each week, you know, one day a week, working in the garden for three or four hours may be part of the agreement. But some people might want nothing to do with that. So that they can still be welcomed in the community because they have other amazing skills. For example, people who are very much into crypto could have incredible skills have benefited community or blockchain training or programmers or people who, you know, live live in a different way could still be a part of this sort of a hybrid eco village structure that I have have in mind based on my my years of what I call failures that make me an expert at everything that doesn’t work.

George Papp 14:01
Yeah, the thing is, right, everyone wants to live their way. So there’s always so many different facets, you can’t just be you know, here’s how an eco village works. You know, join it, if you get this. There’s so many different types of people who want to start living in this way. You’ve got obviously the vegan the meat eating differences. You’ve got also people who want an internet, potentially others don’t. You’ve also got permaculture differences over land resolution, which I think that I think the biggest base issue is actually people can’t do conflict resolution. And I think this is where I think this is where we fail with our communities, unfortunately, but hopefully, you know, I don’t know maybe this type of event that’s going on in the world at the moment potentially helps people move more into their heart space and out of the the ego which blows up everything. And that’s the reason why we can’t even have communities anymore, but I think it’s Another interesting points that go back. I know you mentioned that this, you know, the sort of elite want this sort of type of lifestyle with smart city life is ultimately a choice. I think we’re so much more powerful than we think we are. And we will, it is a choice for us, in my opinion, they can’t really force you to do anything. In my opinion, okay, they can get people with guns around. But I mean, how real is that going to happen? Is that really going to happen? They say, I believe it is a choice. And you can make that choice, it’s just a massive leap. To make that difference. We’ve just been used to feeling like a slave, and like working for the for the man and keep paying taxes and everything. Let’s, you know, let’s make that leap. And the life will be better over there. Especially now, I mean, I think society is going into ways maybe, you know, two parallel sort of types of societies where there’s going to be definitely sort of a smart city environment where people really are connected to the mainframe, which is getting ever smaller and smaller in terms of your rights and freedoms, or you’re literally going to have to go back to a ways of living that was happening sort of in our grandparents, and before that there type of life where we have to, you know, decentralized foods, decentralize everything, basically. Get everything into our own hands instead of relying on the corporation’s to provide that for us. So now, it’s great work that you’re doing. I wanted to ask, actually, how are the homes on these? On the land that you’re you’re the community land? I mean, what are the homes made? From? What kind of materials? Are these sort of Earthships? Are they tiny homes? Are they a mix of all types? Or what? Just give us an indication of of that? Yeah,

Paul 16:51
if I answer that question, great question as well. And just in response to your comment, well thought, I really do appreciate the fact that you’re you’ve also been in deep in the corporate world. Just looking at your background, the work you’ve done is really, really inspiring. And it’s great that people are like you, who have been deep inside corporate, the corporate world and also working deep in the crypto space, also genuinely very interested and passionate about and sees it as a viable solution. And one one important solution, this concept of community and getting back to the land, literally putting your hands inside the dirt. It was something that never interested in naming it just as I I just kind of evolved by having these people around me. You know, the first time one of our team wanted to do we did a monthly presentation when we first had our first project in Sydney, Australia, then we moved to the Gold Coast. And then we moved to Byron Bay Area. But but you know, one of our team and volunteers and a really good friend was a soil scientist, who also ran right next to a garbage dump, he was able to get land from the council to put a mini community garden. And it was like an educational garden for children coming from schools or school groups would come see the destructive waste and, and all of the throwaway society, when they look to the right. And when they look to the left, they see this regenerative, beautiful example of how how compost now how our waste can become our compost and create these beautiful thriving gardens and give us produce. So it was an amazing contrast. In any case, my point being, he offered to give a talk one month about soil just again to explain why I got into this concept of eco villages and gardening even now I love gardening because it I’ve seen what it does to families and to children when they come together in a garden with other families and children. It’s just actually such a fun experience and someone plays a guitar while you’re planting food and you know, the kids are doing everything wrong and planting the seeds the wrong way or what have you putting them too deep or not deep enough. And but it doesn’t matter. They’re having fun. And you know, that’s just part of the part of the activity. And that was just such as such a magical experience though. This friend wanted to give a talk. He said look at this month, we haven’t got a speaker, you know, we normally get a technologist to sign scientist or a an inventor with some amazing technology that’s been suppressed that they’ve tried to release to benefit humanity or enter. But anyway, he said he’ll talk about soil because he’s because he’s a soil scientist. And I just like cringed and inside I was like, Oh, that like how are we going to get people to come along and listen for an hour and a half to someone speaking about dirt? You know, and I need to be with my friends. So I sort of like cringed and said, Okay, well, you can talk next month about dirt. And then and then I’m freaking a little bit and I all the effort that it takes to get bums on seats in an auditorium for our monthly innovations, conversations. And anyway, on that particular day, you know, you know 50 people in the room and which was an average sort of turnout some of the we get more sometimes a little less in our little neighborhood in downtown Sydney and and then you know, I was literally brought to tears because he just explained the meaning of dirt and the meaning of soil and how if we don’t look after our dirt, we all die. And he explained that so clearly I’m like, wow. And I was in, I was emotional, because it was just this huge new revelation in my life that have how how important our soil, he’s, he’s holding a handful of soil with worms falling out of his hand, saying, This is the living soil that that gives us life and health, and then an hour and a half of that later, and I’m like, wow, that just blew me away. And, and just showed me a blind spot that I never realized I had in my life, you know, and we were living in our condominiums or white picket fence houses, you know, with hardly a garden, maybe a lawn, if we’re lucky, then, you know, maybe a gardener who does the work in the garden, then we’re just not connected to the land. So So coming back to your question, you know, it kind of relates as well, because we want to have our homes be very closely integrated with nature with the soil. And really, it’s actually that’s why so many people love gardening, but why not garden in a way that’s intelligent. That’s where permaculture comes in. And our homes have gardens all around them, where we have simple easy access to delicious fresh food. And you know, fresh tomatoes or fresh herbs tastes so much better than herbs bought in the store, that literally, you know, wither and die in two or three days in your fridge. But but you know, when you pick it fresh, I mean, I’ve literally had herbs and and produce from our local. Sometimes we drive for hours to get organic foods, it’s not sprayed with chemicals that with our friends who are farmers here in, in the in the mountains in Mexico. And we literally bring back so much food because we want a good organic healthy. Sometimes we don’t trust what’s developed in the markets in even in Mexico City here. So we so

on that food lasts up to a month in the fridge, because it was picked fresh, we sometimes help the farmer picket, just before we leave to come back to Mexico City, I do a little bit to Mexico City and other locations, by the way, although we live on the outskirts in a pine forest, if just didn’t open the window behind me so that so that you didn’t have the glaring light, but I actually live in a pine on the edge of a pine forest. So I’m on the outskirts of Mexico City, I get a lot of fresh oxygenated air from the pine trees, but but still, you know, I’d rather live in an eco village. And that’s what we’re on our way to doing shortly. So if I can mention that your way, you know, the style of homes look, ultimately, in our in our model, you know, people in other places can build with whatever materials they want, there’s plenty of opportunities to do that, for anyone who comes to Mexico already lives in Mexico. Because most states, some states have no building codes, which is awesome. And most states do have a building code in Mexico, because you could say in some ways, it’s a failed state in Mexico, although we can’t rest on our laurels. Yeah, they’re right now trying to bring in digital digital ID and mainly digital currencies, here just like they’ve done in El Salvador very quickly. And you know, and there’s there’s pros and cons to that, but it seems like it’s playing into the agenda of people getting people to normally just live in a cash economy, which keeps them safe from from that content to digital money. So you know, there needs to be a balance and people who understand the technology to apply it because it can be a double edged sword, you know, that one, one edge can benefit you and the other edge can be stabbing you in the back at the same time. So that’s another conversation we may like to have on another day. But But in our Eco village, of course, ideally would be we would be requesting and probably have it written into our Constitution that that people build with bamboo, Adobe, or, or other rammed earth, or very common here is the adobe bricks, so making bricks from Adobe, maybe maybe some some buildings with what’s called hempcrete, obviously, but also, there’s air Crete, which is a form of concrete, but it’s very lightweight and use very little concrete. You know, we enjoy the idea of having a mix of different structures earthbags Earthships, especially as well as chips are phenomenal. Your garden is basically attached to your kitchen and it’s inside your house, your garden is your food, food is actually inside your house, ideally right next to your kitchen, so you can literally reach over and grab herbs while you’re cooking. You know, and I’ve seen models of those built men, young men and Chad in Acapulco builds those pretty had visited his successful as she built for a for for a children’s home here in New Mexico, over there in Acapulco. And, yeah, I mean really, it’s just I’d like our our first day eco village here in Mexico to be a model of different building styles. But again, going back to mostly regenerative materials and and innovative forms and structures as well as ancient structures that people have used in Mexico for generations centuries. Just to give you one final comment on that. It’s interesting note that in some villages, I’ve spoken to the elders about these, these things. Yeah, one, one example of a common thread. I’ve heard from a few elders that I’ve spoken to grandmothers, grandfathers, they said, Look, my son, you know, built me a new home, he thought it was, you know, he, that I’m paraphrasing, but, you know, he bought me this new house because he wanted to give me a full new home. And it’s made of concrete, it’s really cold, especially in winter, it gets really cold and gets really hot in summer. And you know, I’ve always felt more comfortable, like, I just felt more comfortable and at home in my Adobe mud house, rather than this new, modernized modern construction made from concrete, you know, just to give you an idea of some of the benefits of living in inside more earth based materials.

George Papp 25:45
Yeah, yeah. Excellent. I mean, you know, that’s very interesting, because I’m, I’m currently on a Greek Greek island. And I know the benefits now, since moving here of Adobe style, mud and straw housing. And I’m actually in one right now an old, an older home, which has been sort of renovated, but you can you can tell now it’s getting up to, you know, 3035 degrees centigrade already. And inside the home, it’s still, you know, cool. You don’t need to run air conditioning all the time, pretty much probably never really, because they were built like that. Nowadays, the concrete homes, just completely like just not, they’re just built for real, just quick, easy way of building a home, just for mass, right. But now, I think we should go back to the old school, because I think that’s the most sustainable way. And they were built like that for a reason, especially in the sort of climates. So it’s really interesting that you were you mentioned that this even sort of in Mexico. The party used to build homes like this. Excellent. I mean, Thanks, Paul. Well, I guess, to move on, What projects are you working on? I guess for for everyone out there. What projects are you actually sort of working on right now? How are they going? And yeah, just sort of give us an overview on what you’re working on.

Paul 27:08
Yeah, look, I came to Latin America after a short trip for a month, which was lovely, because I knew I wouldn’t probably see my family for some time. I mean, I knew there was a collapse coming back, you know, how soon or how late that would be. I probably was blase a little bit like a lot of people. I just, you know, initially 20 years ago, I’m like, any minute. The whole Well, economy’s gonna collapse. You know, when I first was waking up and realizing how the banking system was a house of cards, that would be blown over but, but in the end, you know, I’ve started to get blase, I guess I answer, it’s not coming yet. Who knows? It could be another 10 years away, you know, so I spent a month in Prague and a little bit of time in Bratislava. With family with my brother and his three three children and his partner and, and my mum and dad who were not getting you know, not getting any younger though, but 78 at the time, and now they’re heading up to 82 God love them and and, and they’re thankfully they’re still still in reasonable health considering their age. Dad’s got one eye but he’s been driving with one I still drives that one and he’s been driving. Yeah. Yeah, we’ve won for for a number of years now, which I think that that’s already amazing to do that at that age. But then when I drive it seems a little concerned about that. But guys, he’s happy and he’s still still driving. But But yeah, then I came to Latin America. I didn’t know where I wanted to base myself that but I had a feeling of the Mexican I knew there was a large community here. You know, Freedom sells communities and although the in Acapulco community forming in Acapulco are inspiring to me, and you know, by all accounts, a lot of people are moving to Acapulco. In the end, Acapulco just again a big city, it’s got a bit of crime and security issues. But overall, my friends haven’t had who’ve lived there now for you know, two to three to four years, having had some of them stay there ever since they went to the first Acapulco in Acapulco, which was about five years ago now. But, you know, I felt that Mexico was going to be this, but I thought I really travel around first and before I decided where I was going to base my next main project, and I thought I had time was it time was in my favor. And I had the you know, the luxury of of saying, Look, if I’m gonna live somewhere, I want to choose the place that feels right to me, never know what was going to take four years but I spent one year in Guatemala, Belize, Panama, and Peru. And then after that, headed up to to Acapulco, in 2018. And, and that was my first in Acapulco. And, and that was that was a huge, huge eye opener and a great connection but I didn’t feel like the community in Acapulco was going to be for me and I always felt like I wanted to be close to the land so so it ended up being a in a three year journey Exodus all around Mexico, looking for were felt ideal to base myself and start a project and I made some incredible new friendships and connections and people I’m working on projects with, to different extents, in each in different villages. But I realized I’m a coastal girl living on the coast, I used to surf a little bit as well. And I just I just thrive beside the ocean or at least close to the ocean and Mexico city doesn’t help with that. It’s about six hours to Acapulco, and and also maybe five hours and and also I lived in some spillage in the Highland mountains, which is wonderful, but then I was missing the coast so so now we’re you know, our main project is eco village share, which people can find on telegram and eco village, and then share sh Ara one word. So all of those one word eco village share just connected on Telegram, a website is about to go up ecovillage share.com. It may be up by the time this recording goes up. That’s going to summarize our main project there but the way helping people to come to Mexico as well. That’s like the migration services. But we can help people settle because I’ve traveled all over Mexico over the last three years, we can help people decide what’s right for them. I’ve chosen to build our project that just as of a week ago, me and my girlfriend Frieda and another friend of ours, who’s an indigenous woman from Wahaca, she Freda has always loved Wahaca areas. So and I’ve always had great experiences in Morocco. And it is a stunning place. It actually had, they speak over 150 languages and dialects in Wahaca. And it’s the cultural and music traditional music hub of, of Mexico. So you can imagine with 150 languages and dialects that is a rich culture just for one state called the state of Oaxaca. And a lot of coast is not very developed. Although some hubs have become really popular. We just pass through Puerto Escondido when I haven’t been there for 26 years. So to see it again, just super built up and looks like a mini city over the internet on your phone is super slow. I was actually amazed like, it looks so modernized and full of details. I mean, I imagined the Wi Fi must be okay in your home. But on your phone, it’s ridiculously slow internet. And it was like that along the whole coast there. But yeah, we’ve settled on a region in the in the hinterland in the mountains, behind what tolko which is not far from Puerto Escondido, where to go and, and that’s where we’re looking to build this eco village and support people who may want to move to that area, or even live in one of our Eco villages, or as I mentioned, hybrid eco village. So there’s something pretty much rarely not a narcissist or parent, parasitic to a person like these parasitic politicians, so called elites, I prefer to compare it parasitic, the parasitic class who suck off the wealth creation of others, and often no value to society other than being a detriment to society. And yeah, so that’s, you know, ecovillage share would be one of the main projects plus migration services but anyone can contact me through telegram and visit the website at Eco village.com If they’re interested in in connecting with me there’ll be contacts for me and our team there.

George Papp 34:34
Sounds great. There’s there’s definitely a lot more people contacting me for if I know people who who are in Mexico or in Latin America to chose to move from you know, say Canada, US, even some in Europe actually interested even though it is a bit further but like, there is a lot of interest in that part of the world at the moment. I think it seems like it’s a lot easier to navigate because They’re state doesn’t sort of overreach as much, let’s say as others in the sort of EU area. Yes. And stuff like that. So, yeah, it sounds great. So you’re doing good work you’re doing, I guess, God’s work as well. I think that’s it’s an important part. So I guess, what other ways can people get involved in the project? Apart from sort of, I guess, you know, let’s say. So if they wanted to help out in the projects, not only, let’s say potentially move into the project, but actually even help the project grow? Is there a ways for people who can get involved?

Paul 35:34
Yeah, as I mentioned to you off the top of the call. Recording that we really, were focused on building the correct team as as a foundation for a successful community experience. Also, a major focus of mine is ops and branding and organic foods. That was, again, what generated our income in our communities and our projects in Australia for all of our education campaigns that we were doing in Australia. So, so big thing is, is organic food products, cooperatives, anyone who wants to be part of our cooperative or support, building new industries in the organic, we’re helping them to grow the organic industry, let’s call it in here in Mexico, then, then there’s many ways that people can get involved with, with that being involved with ethical food products help people heal, using food as medicine, and using herbs as medicine and herbal extracts, skincare range, as well as food products and supplements. So we’re doing all of that and that’s all early stages. But but that’s what we’ve done in Australia. That’s my forte, really, that’s my one of my great passions. As well as that doing youth programs and Boys to Men programs, assisting young women in their in their journey and navigating, you know, the issues that women have in this world and becoming more more capable of of wading through through the difficulties that young women can experience growing up. So we really want to help young boys and young women in in becoming resilient and enjoying their lives having happy, happy lives. There’s projects around properties, there’s projects around getting by with our youth programs, and there’ll be summer camps and winter camps for sure, as well. And the layer we’re looking at is big enough for us to have our own camping, camping grounds, you know, far away from the main main villages and the main, let’s say, urbanized areas. But, but yeah, we people can also if they want to move to an eco village, or just learn more about what we’re doing, and see if it’s right for them, or select another area of Mexico, and they may have questions about where they should choose to live in Mexico, as I said, three years plus, I look at it like a time machine, if people come and get involved with us, then they’re saving them at least three years. And with the network that our whole team has between us, you know, they’re literally Yeah, it’s taken people decades or a lifetime to build up these networks. So I would say that, you know, overall, at least from for the experience and the work I’ve done, but laying the groundwork for three years, people who get involved in any of our volunteering with us or wanting to get involved in, you know, in purchasing a share in Eco village share, then then yes, feel free to get in touch with us and and you know, any of these abovementioned projects, there’s no way to get involved either as purchasing a share. I don’t speak about too many specifics, but just to give you some some sort of broad stroke idea, there could be a share of 10,000 US dollars, which is not a lot to them, actually, you have complete security over your parcel of land here in Mexico and and then have support build your your eco eco house or using bio construction techniques, and have the whole community helping and chipping in and getting involved with with a building project on your property. You know, again, I don’t want to say this is a firm law, org or term but you know, maybe 10 days or maybe a one

a one acre site or up to a half hectare site. So you have a lot of space we don’t want to have houses cramped together. Hopefully we won’t need fences between our houses at all because we just have distance for privacy. And in lots of beautiful trees and maybe bamboo fronds and useful bamboo for construction. We can grow that in a safe manner. So it doesn’t take over the whole property. We’ve got we’ve got a lot of riverfront a beautiful river that runs all year quite a strong River at that wild river. So you know if they want to come and visit the site or have an experience just getting to know us they can get in touch and come and visit this site that we’re we’re coming close to purchasing. They can get involved if they like what they hear they could they might want to be involved financially 10,000 was just an estimate or or a just to give you some kind of some ballpark figure as well as the size but people can also come and volunteer and even volunteering if people don’t have can volunteer and and With an agreement to a certain amount of hours and a certain amount of months, then they may be able to end up having securing their their permanent place in our communities in one of our, you know, hybrid eco village communities. So, you know, volunteering, work exchange can help secure a site or a placement in our, in our country, or just getting involved coming for a short stay for a weekend or getting involved in one of our youth programs helping food preparation. It really is across the board helping us with marketing online, you can people can stay in any country in the world, and still be involved and support us with with online marketing, are we programming or assisting our team with with the financial aspects that with the work you do, that’s something we’re discussing ways that we may be able to have a mutually beneficial and rewarding experience for our, our, our people, through your your offering of your services? You know, all of that is on the table?

George Papp 41:01
Right? Yeah. It’s interesting, because you mentioned 10, let’s not take that as a figure. But let’s say 10,000. Anyway. And it’s interesting, because most people in the world now use 10,000, to put a deposit on a home, which they will then pay for 60 years until basically they die. They’re basically and you know, they’re stuck in some sort of death contract, which are mortgages. Instead, you can basically use 10,000 to basically be free in a sense, and live off the land and eat healthily. Meet people with like minds, work with, you know, it’s just an easy option, in my opinion. But many people still go down. Yeah, I’d rather live in a tent on the beach, then obviously, do that for six years. Right. So, yeah, I think the last thing we can move to is key takeaways, especially for our listeners who are new to this, just anything that you feel will be valuable for our listeners who are new to this sort of living, they may be early stages of trying to sort of be free of the system. Yeah, just anything, any advice and key strategies that maybe they can implement?

Paul 42:19
Yeah. Another wonderful point to make and a great way to close it really is where the rubber meets the road, right? It’s really where things it’s our emotional state and, and our ability to see a brighter path ahead with everything we’re seeing going on, especially in the news. I mean, I hate cars even here in Mexico driving past and you hear the propaganda coming on between the songs and and there’s no wonder people are so fearful today and so concerned and I have my moments I’m not I’m far from able to be immune to all of this, although I won’t take a vaccination vaccination for for the propaganda, right, but But yeah, we need to keep that something that we need to be working on together right in our own mindset and having the right kind of people around us so you know, people are working closely with you or, or your networks and being this positive kind of reinforcement of what’s possible. And focusing on that and realizing that we don’t need to change the entire world this is what was my great realization, if we can just change our world, our personal world and you’re living inside of a huge city you know, flat or condominium apartment, you know, working online, you know, in some ways you may be working with some great projects that’s that’s creating the change that we need to see in the world you know, and building the news to make the old building the new systems that make all these old systems and Dysfunctional Systems that no longer service making those systems obsolete. Someone can do that from being in the in the heart of the beast, let’s say in the belly of the beast and and still have a really meaningful quality of life but you know, it’s hard when you can go outside and see most of the people still wearing masks or or or just people just living in the system without any thought that what they’re a part of is not serving them than their families that their children and just continually reinforce that system and let’s say encouraging that system to continue to exist. So you know if I can give people any kind of simple advice just from my own personal experience it’s been the more that I’ve connected with the land put my hands into the dirt even literally which I thought was a waste of someone’s you know, and now I see the value of it when you do that with with a good bunch of people with friends and enjoying the entire experience sharing a meal together you know and some people playing some some acoustic guitar music and singing while you’re planting in the garden and while you’re learning from other incredible no dig gardening techniques and ways to grow food that’s easier working smarter, rather working harder. In all aspects whether that be inhaling, building or gardening of Food, forests design so we have an abundance of food, you know, you do realize that we actually live in a very abundant world, we do not need to be struggling and and the more that you have these sort of people who are implementing the solutions around us, it just helps us to reinforce that. And, you know, even if they will have to live in a city for some reason, get out into the end of the country, that’s great, but get out of the country. Find some local organization that’s running, you know, food, food, not lawns, you know, there’s food, not lawns movement, there’s the perma blitz movement, there’s, there’s probably a lot of community I know there’s a ton more than I may be incorrect with that. So Morden is a town in England, where they basically turned all their gardens into food for us, then the lady who organized that went down to the police station, and told the police look, we’re ripping up all of your your ornamentals, and planting food all through guards around the police station, they’re like, alright, you know, because they’d already they’re already thrown their way around this community and said, This is the way it’s going to leave now. So the police accepted that and there’s photos of the police station with corn growing all around it to talk on and that people people can get involved even in their communities, in finding way creative ways to to learn about community gardening, learn about bio construction, go into a permaculture, Introduction to permaculture course, or just go and join any kind of like Earthship building, or construction. Building, if that’s more your interest carpentry or building if it’s not so much gardening, but I recommend a little bit of everything. Even if it’s building a pizza oven, you know, out of Adobe or or straw bale, which is called a Cobb Cobb pizza oven. Then then, you know, that that’s that to me is really huge. It that’s the new revolution really getting involved in your community. Sustainable and as self sufficiency is really the the new right way to be radical. It’s not about becoming a revolutionary raising arms. What, what these organizations are these parasitic classes. Fear is us becoming independent, you know, self guided individuals. Yeah,

George Papp 47:15
if you if you can grow your own food, if you can build your own home, if you can have your own water. At that point, you don’t need to do a degree to well, we used to get you jobs. But now obviously, it doesn’t matter it obviously is still indoctrinations. But that was always like what we had to do let’s go to school, get a go to get a degree, get a job. But if you actually know how to grow your own food, water and build your shelter, why would you need to go and work a job you hate for the rest of your life to pay off that mortgage on that house that you probably end up resenting because it’s it’s caused you a lot of pain. Instead, learn the skills and and you can actually find a way to live in this way. And it’s easier than you think. I actually agree with you. I was fully in London at one point, up until not long ago. And now I’m in a Greek island in a village. And you know, now I’ve met people who have started an eco village, I’ve met someone who’s living off the land already building cob houses. So these are the types of things that we could do. I never knew anything about that previously, they’re not only just sort of got into it in the last month or two. And that’s, you know, starting to grow my own food already just planted some something, just get it out there. Even if it doesn’t work at first, like just start doing, you know, planting some seeds. Learn the course in permaculture or in, you know, building calm housing, like you were mentioning. Yeah, just getting it involves straightaway and, you know, just don’t be scared of it and just just basically move into that. It’s that simple. You can watch Netflix and learn nothing. All you could do, basically is what is what the options. Yeah. Thanks. Thanks again, Paul. Thanks again, I think that should wrap up the time. Thanks for joining.

Paul 49:18
Just say, just look up, look up on YouTube. So Ted Ted Talks to more than edible landscapes. So Ted Ted to Morton, edible landscapes and Ted, Ron Finley guerilla gardener. If you put in TED guerilla gardener those two videos out there probably got a few videos but they’re super inspiring videos that you know I found take it they’re old but but gold all but God, definitely, if I want to get inspired about you know, alternative ways of living, the

George Papp 49:49
nice one, I’ll include that in the show notes. So yeah, thanks for joining me today, Paul. I mean, I’m looking forward to having you on again in the future. Obviously when your projects have maybe advanced to another stage. definitely interested in having you back. I mean, I guess make sure you subscribe to the podcast on iTunes or Spotify. Plus, if you’re interested in having one to one consulting to prepare your wealth for the great reset, check out the episode show notes for a link to crypto animus consulting.com. Also, we’ll put all the links to the ecovillage share and Mexico migration and other other people’s material in the show notes. So definitely check that out. So nice one peace and love to you all. Thanks, Paul. Thanks, guys. Thanks a lot, George. Great work. Cheers. Thank you.

Interview with Houry Pappin: Spirituality, Energy & Sound Healing

George Papp 0:08
Hi, welcome to the conscious renegade podcast with me, George Patton, helping you to be the change you wish to see in the world.

Today, we are joined by Houry, founder of the wellbeing zone and she also composes spiritual, uplifting music. So we’ll be discussing alternative health and wellness as well as alternative music. And how are you and thanks for coming on.

Houry Pappin 0:47
Thank you, George. And thank you for inviting me. I’m, it’s not very often I do podcasts and I get interviewed. So I’m quite chuffed and humbled. Thank you so much. Yeah, thank you. I’m hoping that I can share some of my experience with, with your, with with the listeners.

George Papp 1:18
Excellent. Yeah. I mean, yeah, I mean, we don’t just, you know, go for people who, you know, have a huge following. We are discussing with Harry, some of the small projects that she’s doing great projects, and she’s also been involved in the freedom space and, and sort of, yeah, spirituality. And obviously, we discussed music as well. And then obviously, well being. So I mean, I guess the first thing to discuss would be your story and how you got into this space and how you sort of moved away from from the system and how you feel about the system. But how how did your story begin, because I know everyone in this space has an interesting story to tell usually.

Houry Pappin 2:05
So I was I’m, I was born in the UK from parents who are Palestinian, Coptic, Armenian. So my mother was in Armenia and my father Palestinian caught, and we lived in Kuwait for five years, and then moved to the UAE, United Arab Emirates. And I was sent to boarding school when I was seven years old, and Lebanon. And so that’s where my difficulties, so we say start started. So I had quite a traumatic childhood, as a result of, you know, being in boarding school and many other things. I didn’t realize really any of that until I was in my 30s. And I was heavily bulimic from from my, from the age of 14, which is kind of like a mental disorder where you, you eat and you throw up. And it’s to do with control issues. So if you didn’t have any control in your life, and if you had mother being very controlling, then you know, it kind of manifests that way. I didn’t realize any, that I there was something wrong. Although I knew that something was right in my life just didn’t. It didn’t click until in my 30s. And then I started going and doing Reiki sessions through a friend she told me come in, let’s go in there and break. And through Reiki, I opened me up to so many other different fields of of healing. And this we’re talking 1994 95 The trigger was a breakup with a boyfriend, and that really devastated me. And then I went into Reiki and I learned Reiki got married, but still I hadn’t dealt with my issues. Yeah. Yeah. So it’s a process, you know. And I, you know, again, the traumas, you kind of start, if you haven’t dealt with your traumas in the past, you tend to repeat those patterns over and over again. But you start attracting, you know, the abusive partners or the events in your life that that happened in your childhood or you were conditioned that way in your childhood. And so I realized that I’m still repeating those patterns and I thought, then I’ve got to do more. I’ve got to start delving more into i had to sit I When I had therapy, I had to have therapy because I had a lot of issues to deal with. And I realized that the only way was to sit with myself, to sit with myself and to sit with my emotions. And let these emotions go through me because I was always Oh, happy go lucky. Oh, let’s not deal with this. No, no, let’s do something. Let’s dive, you know, pattern interrupt, you know, we don’t want to feel bad now. Let’s feel good. I’m avoiding. I was doing that. And then it kind of hit me that no, I need to sit, I need to sit with myself. I need to sit with all my issues. I need to go through all the stuff that I went through, and emote and cry. I mean, maybe some people don’t feel comfortable prime. But for me crying is very, very healing. And so, you know, I would go through waves and bouts of crying and then feeling okay. And then again, anyway, this was my healing journey. And it’s still a process because I can’t say that I’m completely healed. I still seek therapy, I still do my meditations and dealing with fears, and I still get emotional. And I still think of the past sometimes, but, you know, slowly but surely it kind of like it becomes less and less, you know, negativity attached to the past events. Yeah. And, and eventually, the goal is to become like, Okay, that was a movie. It’s a movie. In the past. You look at it. Okay, happen. Okay, let’s move on now.

George Papp 6:54
Yeah, I think this is the key. Before we even talk about off grid, and talk about crypto and talk about any other solution, I think the ultimate foundation is to heal ourselves from our traumas. And I think otherwise, we won’t be able to build communities that are out of their ego, and therefore, they will break down. And yeah, and then we’ll just continue a cycle. Like you said, I think that’s the problem. But I think there is a lot of a lot of people it seems goes through, like a breakdown and then get a break through. I’ve noticed that myself too. And I think that happens. And yeah, I mean, meditation and spirituality are a big part of that. And, yeah, it’s a consistent journey. You I mean, anyone who doesn’t have therapy, I urge you to do that, just because it’s not anything to be ashamed of. We were programmed, and we have our own issues from a child, even people who consider their childhood to be perfect in quotation marks. There’s always something that you were you were programmed at some point, either by school, by your parents, by your ethnic group, by any of these labels. So yeah, it’s great to hear. I mean, what about your How did you sort of come to realize that the system is kind of against your own? I guess, freedom and, and yeah, for the good of, I guess, how did you sort of find that out?

Houry Pappin 8:33
Yeah, well, in 2012, I moved from the UAE, with my son to the UK, for his education, and I wasn’t working in the UK, I was just being a mum, to my son and I had all the time in the world. And so I think some a friend mentioned something about David Icke. And I started looking up David Icke and his staff. And oh, my God, it was such a, you know, an aha moment for me. All the stuff that you know, I didn’t feel right about in the in the past, just all came together and made sense from what he was saying. And I just read and read and I read his, a couple of his books, and I started listening to him. I went to one of his seminars and London, and I just, it really opened up a whole new world for me. And I become became very curious and I started looking at others and another one was Barbara Marciac, who channels the Pleiadians In a lot of information, she she gets out who else I went in, I got into cry on but I think crying is controlled opposition. Now, all he talks about is Zion and going back to Zion. And so just crying is big. And I was floored that Kryon was, you know, was, you know, was channeling the right, the right people, but you got to be very discerning these days because there’s so many charlatans out there. I mean, I used to listen to Abraham speaks also Abraham speaks was was channeling Esther, Esther Hicks was channeling Abraham speaks. Abraham being the group of spirits. And they also corrupted also infiltrated controlled opposition. I don’t believe in in Abraham speaks anymore. So you’ve got to be very, very discerning. And yeah, so after, after 2012 I just I woke up I could see I mean, I could you once you once you wake up immediately you see stuff around you you can tell this is you know, this is this is fake. This is not fake. This is you know, planned. It’s incredible.

George Papp 11:29
Yeah. It’s like, you wanna you can’t go back it’s like a mess it up when the doors the door shut behind you, isn’t it? That’s right.

Houry Pappin 11:39
And I you know, they thought I was going mad. And they thought I was a crazy woman. Because I was cuz because of course, you know, when you wake up to this, to suddenly you wake up to this other world that you didn’t know about? I went I went crazy. So I’ve got to tell the world I’ve got I was posting stuff on Facebook and sharing and saying, this is this is what’s happening wake up. And you know, everyone thought I was going crazy.

George Papp 12:10
Yeah, I think is an interesting thing. Because I I’m starting to think now that it’s kind of set up in that way that certain people will never wake up. Now we can do as much as we can to help. Yeah, to spread the message. But I think there is some point I think in this sort of whatever we live in, I think there seems to be a sort of cut off of okay, there are going to be certain percentages of this, of this population that will not sort of change their views. So I think the big key is to get to try and help people who are maybe open minded, and also to help each other in this sector. So where we were looking for solutions to live outside of what currently is going on. So I guess that’s a good segue to your business, the well being zone and what you do with with well being. So yeah, just explain a little bit about it. And now what you’re currently doing

Houry Pappin 13:16
so, so when I was seeking therapy, I felt that this is something that I really was passionate about, too. So I decided that I’m going to get, you know, some qualifications and certifications in order to help my family initially and then others, so So I got into hypnotherapy and NLP Emotional Freedom Technique. So I think you’re aware of what hypnotherapy is. And or should I explain hypnotherapy? George, what do you think?

George Papp 13:56
Yeah, I think it’s a big, important topic, actually. Something that I’ve tried to look into lately, but yeah, yeah, go through.

Houry Pappin 14:05
Okay, so basically, everybody seems to think that hypnotherapy is like this, this person on stage who can who can get you to do anything and you don’t remember anything and he it can be quite dangerous. Oh, it’s far from that because hypnotherapy is with the consent. You know, once the person says, Yes, I want to be hypnotized, then that’s permission for the person to guide you. And to help you contact your subconscious mind because the subconscious mind is is the one that’s controlling us. Although we think or the conscious mind, no, you know, you might say to yourself, oh, I’m going to lose weight. Yeah, I’m going to do this. I’m going to do that you you probably will lose a little bit of weight but subconscious mind, which is one Much, much more powerful than the conscious mind will will decide no, I, you know, because I need to be protected, there’s certain issues that haven’t been dealt with from the past, for example, say the person has been sexually abused. And you know, and a lot of sexual abuse victims tend to put on weight to protect themselves. Okay, in you know, in future so that they don’t get abused. So, for example, subconscious mind is going to say, oh, no, you’re gonna put on you’re gonna put back that weight back on. So, you see what happens therapy does it, it takes the conscious mind out of the way. Because conscious mind is always protecting the, you know, the barrier between the subconscious mind and so we we take it away so that we talk directly to the subconscious mind and come to an agreement with the subconscious mind so that it is not, it is protecting you but in a positive way in a constructive way rather than a negative way. And so, hypnotherapy is is and with hypnotherapy, you can go back to past, to your childhood events, which you have blocked, you can go into the into fetus mode, you know, you can you can find out what your parents were saying, if your mother wanted to get rid of you, you know, in, in, in in when she was pregnant, you can go to past lives also. And so it’s a very good way of healing issues. From from childhood, and also from from past lives if if there is a Karma involved. Yeah, so

George Papp 16:52
yeah, we’re definitely in. So yeah, I think we’re definitely in a place now where you can see the collective consciousness is like, just suffering from trauma that hasn’t been dealt with. And same for you. Same same for us even obviously, but we can, we can see that. I think you the important thing is to do the work yourself work. And hypnotherapy does go a long way to doing that. The first step that I made was personally was just counselling that sort of helped them on the conscious level, right? But yeah, the subconscious is something you won’t even recognize is there. So yeah, I mean, any way to deal with the traumas will make your life so much better, because I believe we’re creators of our own reality, in a sense. So if we can fix those issues, we will have a better life going forward. So yeah, the repetitive cycles, people who are, you know, addicted to any substances and stuff like that this is just poor form as coming back and not You’re not sort of dealing with that. So yeah, it’s really interesting what you’re saying there. So do you personally do hypnotherapy?

Houry Pappin 18:09
To be frank, I was, I was practicing hypnotherapy. I don’t much any more, although I do want to go back into it. But at the moment, I’m not I’m not taking him to therapy. Sessions, but I do want to get back to it because, you know, it’s, it’s, it’s quite, it’s quite satisfying. It’s quite satisfying. Yeah.

George Papp 18:40
I guess it’s important for the trust the person as well. You know, if someone’s got a very similar mindset, in a sense that you don’t want to just choose any one for hypnotherapy, I believe. Just because, yeah, in that sense, could be dangerous, but I think if you can have a very good connection with with the hypnotherapist, it will definitely work out well, in my opinion.

Houry Pappin 19:05
Also, with hypnotherapy, the hypnotherapist can cannot ask you to do anything you do not want to do. You are very well aware of what’s happening during a hypnotherapy session. And so and you will remember it you will remember the session but the hypnotherapist cannot ask you to to do something you do not want to do. And so so it’s very important with the hypnotherapy session to trust your Hypnotherapist. And also because she will he she or he will you know you have to follow the instructions that she gives you or he gives you because only then can you be hypnotized when you follow the instructions, but you have to trust them.

George Papp 19:52
Yeah, that’s very interesting. It’s a very interesting topic. Something that definitely I think is, is something I’m looking into personally. And it is something that I think it could help many people with their trauma. For sure. I guess another thing that you you actually contribute to is sort of alternative music. I know you’re into alternative music. So I mean, yeah, just touch upon how you sort of get involved in that space and what you what you do and what it is really, in regards to frequencies and, and yeah, what basically you’re doing in that space.

Houry Pappin 20:37
So, when I was going through a very low period, in my life, it was during my divorce in 2015. I, I learned how to play a little bit of piano when I was when I was young. And I, I love to sing, and I love to dance. And I played also a little bit of guitar, I prefer the guitar because I could, I could sing the contemporary songs with the guitar. And I did that when I was a teenager at school, and I used to have quite a few people come and listen to me in the in the evenings, you know, during after dinner, and I seem to be, you know, very confident at the time singing. And then somehow life took over. And I, I became very, you know, like public speaking, I had a fear of public speaking. And I wouldn’t, I wouldn’t play any more the guitar or the piano. But in 2015, when I was going through my divorce, I was at a really low period. And suddenly, I just, I don’t know, what took what, what guided me, but I felt I needed to express my emotions, with with music. And so I compose this song. And then I decided, Okay, I’m going to put some lyrics onto it. And, and after, you know, after about a year, I had my song, it took me a while actually, I had my song and it’s called, I have a dream, and I have a dream is about exactly what we are going to do now. And this was in 2015. And, and I have a dream, that we are all one, you know, under the sun, and, you know, we’re coming together as one and we’re building, you know, us together. And we’re letting go of all our fears. And we’re, you know, we’re no longer slaves anymore. And, and, you know, we’re, we’re, we’re connecting with the key within and with with the song, each one of us has a song inside us. And so this is what the song is all about. I can share the song, if you want. It’s, I had it produced professionally. And it’s on SoundCloud, so I can share that with you.

George Papp 23:05
Sure. Yeah, we’ll have we’ll have that in the, in the show notes for sure. For you guys to check out. I mean, what what in regards to I’ve in regards to the sort of the actual music frequency? So I know it’s 432 hertz music? That seems to Yeah, yeah, go ahead. Yeah.

Houry Pappin 23:24
So my music isn’t 432 Because I, you know, I haven’t I don’t know how to how to create it that way, shall we say, at this point in time, but all the music now that you hear is that 440 Hertz. And this is very disruptive to our human body field. Our body field is resonates best with 432 Hertz. And this is also very harmonious with Earth’s fields also. Because you know, the Earth has a field, everything, everything is vibrating at a frequency and everything has a sound. Even, you know, human beings, objects, everything has a certain frequency, and a certain sound. And this is fascinating for me, because I would love to learn how to heal with sound. I have I’m not I’m not there yet. So you could take a tumor. And if you gave it the correct frequencies and and sounds, you could heal that tumor.

George Papp 24:45
Yeah, I think Tesla was onto something, obviously. In regards to frequencies. But yeah, that got sort of disrupted, obviously. But yeah, I think I think it’s very interesting that space. And it makes sense. Because we are energy, right? So we’re, I guess we are a frequency, full of energy. And if you you can basically control that through sound through. Yeah, these sorts of frequencies, which it makes sense that the music is very dumbed down at this point is not even with the frequency, which is obvious, but with the words and, you know, with the sort of message that it points across now, there’s not much there. It’s very, very basic. And obviously, it talks about the sort of side of life, like in most of the sort of top 10 is basically very, very, either mundane, or it’s about money, or, you know, yeah, it’s not, it’s not there to uplift you. Now, you can make, I don’t know, if you’ve, you can see the difference for when you listen to different types of music that makes you feel good, versus the sort of top 10 that nowadays we have, there is a massive difference even on a personal level, I believe, just listening to I know, this is, I don’t know, if if Bob Marley was using 432 hertz, but his music was at least uplifting and very, his words were very, you know, open and spiritual in a sense, versus and had meaning and nowadays, we don’t have anything like that. So, you know, it makes sense to control people through these types of frequencies. So yeah, it’s a great point. Try and get some 432 hertz music going. Here is I believe there may be some on YouTube, I’m not too sure if they are actually 432 Hertz. I mean, do you have that sort of? Yeah, you get

Houry Pappin 26:43
if people are into hand pans, I just bought myself a 432 hertz handpan and it really sounds so beautiful. I can I can give you a little bit of a thing if you want got it here

George Papp 27:20
so are those that that is beautiful? I’ve actually heard that before. Is that the like a Russian is it called like a Russian drum? Like the metal? Yes. It’s

Unknown Speaker 27:30
a RAV Vast. It’s Russian RAV Vast. It’s called mine that I have is a RAV Vast. I think it’s an originally Russian

George Papp 27:39
is so interesting, because my I know someone here my my cousin actually has one of those. And I was always wondering what it was. And yeah, I mean, obviously, he was very far ahead in his journey. Because I was like, What, What’s he doing? Like, what is that? And I remember him playing that one night, it was silent on a piece of land out in the fields here. And I remember him playing that. And I actually got emotional. And I’m not even one I was not one of those types to be spiritual back then at all. And it actually did something to me for sure. Because I felt something when he was playing that. And I think that’s where my, my journey started, actually. So yeah, I mean, it’s great that that you have one of those because it reminded me

Unknown Speaker 28:32
I had one specially ordered as a 432, because most of them are 440 Hertz.

George Papp 28:35
Yeah. Okay. So you have to be careful about these things. Because obviously, yeah, we that’s something you have to sort of ask I believe guitars can be 432 right as well. Yeah, yeah. Cool. So yeah, anyone out there who’s who’s a musician, if you haven’t known already. Yeah, so 432 hertz, definitely the the type of music you want to be playing. So I guess, let’s move on to what your outlook on what’s to come and what you believe, is to come obviously, we we don’t want to get too negative, but what what do you think is coming? And then after that, we’ll go into what you’re doing and how you’re preparing, etc. But yeah, what do you think’s coming at the moment in regards to the world situation and our society as a whole?

Houry Pappin 30:37
I think we’re going through the birthing canal. Yeah. So, um, things are gonna get pretty shitty and, and, and difficult. I think, for the next two years, maybe three.

You know, these, we’ve given our power away so. And what’s happening outside is so much a reflection of what’s happening inside. I can look at my past, and the people involved in the events involved. And I can, I can mirror that with what is happening now in the outside world. So that’s why it’s so important for for, for us to heal ourselves. Because as we’re healing ourselves, we’re also healing the outside.

George Papp 31:45
Yeah. And you’re, I think one point to make is, if you’re in your ego, still, and you haven’t done the self work, you can’t help other people. And that’s full stop, in my opinion. I think once you do the self work, you can then help other people and you’ll be able to help other people. I think that’s the misconception if you want to help people all the time, and I understand that, that sort of thing. But you actually can’t help people emotionally really, unless you’ve done your own work, because you’re also in trauma. So yeah, I think like you said, that’s how we will heal the world in the sense. Yeah, sorry, carry on.

Houry Pappin 32:26
Yeah, and so I think with these and these, this Cabal, this elite that has taken over, because we gave our power away, we, you know, we are to blame, too. So if we give our power away, if nobody’s you know, residing in my body, if my spirit is somewhere else, somewhere, someone else is going to come into my body and take it over just as an example. So this is what’s happened. So these people have just taken over the world. And, and they’re, you know, they’re, they’re heading, I mean, we’re heading towards food shortages, I think, no, it’s definitely coming. to So getting your money out of the banks and putting it into commodities or, you know, anything tangible, precious metals is a good thing. But this is also a wake up call for us, it’s a wake up call to take back our power. Because, you know, and this is where I’m saying is the birthing canal, we have, it’s, it’s, it’s time to wake up, start coming together and communities, you know, growing our own foods, having our own water become totally self self sustainable, rather than giving our power away. So this is gonna take time, and some people are not gonna follow, you’re gonna are gonna be following governments and you know, media and all of that, there is a bifurcation taking place, I think. So, there will be two worlds. I think there will be a world where, you know, the elite and and the control system and the surveillance and you know, Transhumanism is going it’s going to take place and then we’re going to have another the opposite where people come together and it’s remote, we go into nature, basics, you know, healing, music, you know, creativity, growing our own foods, and and coming up with a new system and a new way of life. Yeah. Yeah.

I’m not sure how the other one, whether that’s going to last or long, I think it will self destroy probably in the end. And then you have this new human new way of being to carry on, you know, living on this earth. I think I think there are benevolent beings, I believe in aliens, I believe there are others other spirits out there. And I probably, I think probably we will be able to get in touch with them too. And they will probably help us in when we are ready.

George Papp 36:01
I think that’s very interesting. Because a lot of obviously, we whether you believe it or not, is you have you should be open minded enough to have a conversation about these sort of things. I think that it will be naive of us to think that we’re just, we, I mean, we’ve been sort of sold the story of where just some random, random event that, you know, a big bang event happened. And now suddenly, we’re here is crazy. And obviously, that seems ridiculous to me now. I mean, it goes against science, that Big Bang actually can create Earth, because it expanded, but there’s the it doesn’t actually go with the actual formation, they actually doesn’t pull together. So that own stories already. Pretty much false. So I mean, you know, these sorts of things. We have to be so open minded about everything, because we have to question everything that we think is true, basically. And

Houry Pappin 37:02
we have to question every single thing we’ve been taught, from the education system, to the science to religion, every single thing has been we’ve been fed a lie. So you’ve got to we’ve got to go back and research and be open minded and question all these things. And come to a conclusion ourselves. Yeah. Yeah. When you’re awake, you’ll know you’ll know that it’s all been lies.

George Papp 37:36
Yeah, become so obvious, doesn’t it? Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, I guess, I guess, to move on to what you’re currently doing in your own personal life to prepare for what’s coming. And also any projects that you’re working on?

Houry Pappin 37:53
Yeah. Can I just mention also that in you know, I’ve, I use NES health, which is I’m a practitioner of and NES health is like a bio energetic resonance. Biofeedback system, which I have been using since 2010. And I became a practitioner of, and that has helped me so much, so much through all the traumas I went through, since 2010. To help me balance myself, basically because it works on the human body field, and it works on energy and frequency and, and gives you the correct information to balance you out, basically. So I’m a practitioner of that, and I use that basically, most of the time on myself and I have clients also who, who, who are who, you know, who used that. So, and it can, this can be done you can be anywhere in the world and your, your voice, because its energy and vibration and frequency can be recorded through through the portal, and I get your scan basically, I can see what’s happening in your body field, from the meridians, from the organs from the nutritional stuff like the minerals and the vitamins and the heavy metals and the mind body length, the traumas, the the emotions, the chakras. So, I can see all of that in a scan. And then I can recommend stuff from nutrition to to the corrective remedies to you know, if you if you need to get tests done, etcetera. So I use that for myself. And what, what, what I’m how I’m Preparing is I want to get out of where I am now. I advise everybody to get out of the smart cities, smart cities is where the 5g and the surveillance and the vaccine passports and all of that is is going to take place. And it’s all gonna come together and the CBDCs and the digital currencies. And so, getting out of sight cities, I’m actually looking at Zanzibar at the moment. But I’m also going to go to Panama, because I think having an option in South America is a good thing. So I’m gonna go and get my permanent residency, which is, which is very cheap to get actually in Panama. So I’m doing that as an option. And I’ve stored up I stocked up on some food and not not much, but I have because everything is kind of like going very expensive here. It already it already is a very expensive place. So I have, I’ve also got little, you know, plants around tomatoes. Leaves meant and I’m growing a few things, but I know I’m not gonna stay here for very long, hopefully not not more than than six months. I’m hoping I can find somewhere else to move to. I’m still not, you know, I’m just waiting for the synchronicities and the signs, because that’s how I operate. You know, I wait for the signs. And what else am I doing? I’m, I’ve bought silver, I bought gold. I’ve got bought bought a bit of platinum, I’ve got some Kryptos. And, and with George’s help, I’m going to hopefully go into the stable coins. I haven’t done that yet. And oh, in terms of health, I recommend, you know, taking these as, as staples basically nearly every day. So vitamin liposomal, vitamin C, like to 1000 milligrams, zinc, selenium, vitamin D, if you’re not getting it where you are from the sun. Quercetin but not every day, where certain is a good one.

It’s kind of like an anti inflammatory. And what was what was the other one? Magnesium for sure. And put potassium is another good one. So I think if and NAC N acetylcysteine. That’s NAC which is a precursor to glutathione which is very important, especially to eradicate heavy metals. Which we are bombarded with everywhere. Yeah. And yeah, I’m sorry, be complex, be complex, very important. B 12. is very, very important. B 12. Yeah.

George Papp 43:43
It makes a difference, doesn’t it? I actually take pretty much that whole list nearly. There was a few that I haven’t yet. But yeah, I think it’s important because we need to realize that most of the food we’re getting, if we’re not already growing organically as it hasn’t got these these vitamins or minerals in them anymore. They’re pretty much just not giving you the nutrients you need. So having the sort of vitamins and minerals on hand is always good. Also, going back to where you are based, I think if you can’t get out of where you are in insert in terms of a country, at least leaving the major population zones is is the step that you could take. I think that’s probably I think you would agree the best course of action. Yeah, so I don’t know if you’re in Canada where you can’t really leave if you haven’t had a medical procedure, then, you know, at least moving into like areas where it’s, you know, just sparsely populated, you’ll probably be okay. In my opinion. Obviously, there’s no guarantees, but I think being outside the cities is the most important move that anyone can make. In the next year, probably in the next year or two, without being in fear without being in fear as well, because I think the fear will bring the issues to you as well. I think that’s a key one as well. Yeah, go ahead. Yeah.

Houry Pappin 45:10
Yeah, no, it’s gonna say it’s, we have to come together, we have to really come together. Because, you know, we’ve been programmed to, to be separate, you know, to compete with each other to Oh, my family, and, you know, everything, everything, like to be selfish and separate. And, and this is how they have divided and ruled us controlled us. So now it’s the opposite, it’s time to come together with like minded people with, with your friends or whoever, who think alike, come together and establish something because it’s when when when you all put something together, when you all work together, you put money together, you will benefit. Um, I, you know, I can’t, I can’t stress that enough. It’s, and this is what I want to do. I’m, I’m, you know, I’ve got a few friends around the world, and we’re planning to buy something together and to live, live off and the land and, and nature and water, and you have your animals and, you know, it’s it’s win win.

George Papp 46:23
Yeah, is, once you’re self sustainable, there’s no pressure. And I know, a lot of people are thinking, I don’t have time for that, or I’ve got mouths to feed, which is true. However, you won’t actually probably need a job. But in the end, if you have a self sustaining place of your own, so there wouldn’t be a pressure of I need income, ASAP, and I need to do this, you know, do a job you hate, etc, you’ll be more free. So, you know, build the resources is very important. Now, if you haven’t already, just try and build the resources that you have. And then yeah, move into tangible assets, that’s for sure.

Houry Pappin 47:07
And the thing is, we come to this to this world with gifts, we each have a talent. And you know, when you when you come together with with a group of friends of people like mind, and you and you come together and you share your gifts, or you, you you create something, you can create something together. And that can be something that you sell to the world, you know, maybe you create a retreat or something, you have a well being center or something and, and that’s how you make an income with with with, you know, with the with the community that and the land that you’ve, you know, you’ve invested in,

George Papp 47:53
yeah, and once you do the self work, and that goes back to this and always in the end, right, once the self work happens, and you get more and more out of the trauma, and out of the ego, you have more opportunity and you know, the talent you have, or you will know what your calling was. And then you can obviously use that to you know, make a living or, you know, move into a place where you’re happier. And that’s the big thing is always it always goes back to your, your traumas and getting out of those those situations. So, yeah, I guess. Thanks, Harry, for joining me today. I look forward to that. Yeah, thank you. I mean, I look forward to having you again on in the future. Make sure you subscribe to the podcast on iTunes or Spotify. Plus, if you’re interested in getting your money out of the banking system, protecting your wealth for the great reset, check out the show notes for a link to crypto animus consulting.com. Also will have links to the well being zone who is business as well as her her music and also for MassHealth as well. So you can definitely check that out if you’re interested in the show notes. So yeah, peace and love to you all and thanks for coming here. Thank you peace and love to all of you. Thank you. Thank You

Interview with David Morgan: Exiting The Banking System With Precious Metals

George Papp 0:08
Hey, welcome to the conscious renegade podcast with me, George Papp, helping you to be the change you wish to see in the world. Today we are joined by David Morgan, founder of The Morgan Report, author of the book, the silver manifesto and second chance, and is devoted more than 30 years to educating investors opportunities to protect and grow their wealth. He is a huge advocate for precious metals, especially silver. So we’ll be discussing financial solutions, and I guess the alternative economic system, and how you can protect your wealth from the collapsing system. How are you, David, and thanks for coming on?

David Morgan 0:49
George, thanks for asking. I’m doing well. Thanks.

George Papp 0:52
Excellent. I mean, I’ve you know, I’ve seen many of your interviews, I guess in the last couple years as well. I guess the first question I have is, how did you get into the the space initially, and I guess what’s your guess, story behind you getting into precious metals getting into the alternative sort of economic space?

David Morgan 1:16
Well, for whatever reason, I was pretty fascinated by money and investing even as a kid. And the young as a child, we lived out in the countries to water the my dad’s orchard, which was one acre of land and what people think is like 1000s of acres, farmers have been hand watered when you’re now 1011 years old, you know, 20 minutes at each tree, and there’s 20 Trees takes a while. Still boring. But regardless, I would pay 25 cents a week to do that. And I used to stacked all these 25 cent quarters. And then one day my dad paid me and it was a cupro nickel quarter. And of course, I noticed a change because everything else I had was 90% Silver. So it kind of struck a chord with me, but it didn’t make a big deal out of it. I didn’t say well, you know, a few years now be the silver goo or any of that stuff just struck me odd that it I totally knew it couldn’t be the same value. And I also wondered why why would you know, they’d be mentored this way. But I didn’t really get any answers. adults seem to just ignore it. Fast fascinated by money. So I started looking into it on my own reading about it. By the time I gotten in my late teens had pretty much done enough study to realize that the banking system is a fractional reserve banking system. I learned that all fiat currencies failed. I learned when I started reading, you know, newsletter authors and more books and all that stuff. So, okay, pretty well self studied on it. And one thing led to another had aircraft career Early on when I graduated from college and stayed there. But I’ve always been interested in finance and metals, went back to school, got a finance degree, started the Morgan Report, pretty much the beginning of the the internet, not the exact beginning. In fact, I was one of the I’ve always been kind of an early adopter, not on everything, but on on several things. One, of course, was connecting to the net in the old days. I mean, early on, there weren’t any browsers. There weren’t any chat rooms. It was just it called a bulletin boards. And I mean, you fired up a computer with a C prompt. And once you saw the C prompt, then you had to type in you know what you wanted to do the computer that didn’t last too long. The browser’s came up, Netscape came up, I built my own web page with Netscape and did it for research purposes. And one day, a guy called and said, What is this? What do you do? I said, I write a newsletter, which I really hadn’t. But that was my dream. They said, How much is it? I go up in a business for 12 seconds. But I tell this guy, I came up with a number he said, fine. So I’m on my way of starting the business. And I was levitating for about you know? 510 seconds Georgia mean, like, here’s my dream, I’m gonna live it. And then of course, you did the one had to clap where you take the, you know, your palm and you whack yourself in the middle of the forehead. Do Wait a sec, what did I just do? I told one guy, I’d write everything I know about the financial markets, particularly precious metals, emphasizing silver for one year for this amount of money. That doesn’t sound like like early retirement. But I pressed on, and it built from there and of course, it’s been established that for over two decades and have a very large following so basically, it’s following your passion. I mean, it’s really that simple. Sounds easy. Wasn’t. But I just persevered through the whole thing.

David Morgan 4:56
Yeah. I second the sort of Working on your passion, and it’s something that is kind of cliche, but it is truly the way to not only build wealth, but to know you’re making a difference. Otherwise, I don’t think it’s really worth it. Otherwise, I think that is the way to go. And I know it’s cliche, but you end up doing the work. It’s not like you’re working for someone else in, you know, you have to do a certain hours, you actually work harder, right?

David Morgan 5:30
Especially in the beginning, I mean, the amount of real articles I wrote for the public domain, I mean, I started it, you know, what we call web 1.0. And everything was, you know, just basically an electronic letter that you would publish and, and the web 1.0 website, I would literally get up very early in the morning, read all the news, financial news. And then I would pick and choose the best articles to post on our website. And I did that myself by hand for years. And a lot of times the way the website was set up by my webmaster, the whole articles title wouldn’t fit within the spaces allotted. And I didn’t want to have him rewrite the whole code. So I have to be very, very imaginative to come up with, you know, the essence of the of the article, and we look at it and stick it up there. But now a lot of lot of juice in the beginning, I still have some meaning. I’ve got enthusiasm for what I do still. But back in the beginning, I couldn’t put it in those kinds of hours again, now, not at my age, and probably not quite as driven. I’ve been somewhat oh, let’s say discouraged with seeing how long this Fiat Fiesta can continue. But I don’t think it’s got much longer to go.

David Morgan 6:55
Yeah, so that’s a perfect segue into what I’m gonna ask next. And yeah, it looks like I think it just looks like it’s on its last legs. There’s not many more tools that the Fed and other central banks can even use now, to keep it going. So I guess the next question would be, or, well, the next discussion is, how can you explain to I guess there’s some people out there who may not understand how fiat currencies such as the US dollar is not really our money. I guess just explain that we have to sort of delve into the problem before we look at the solutions. So yeah, just talk about that briefly on basically how fiat currencies are not really our money, even though we have so much trust in the banks.

David Morgan 7:45
Yeah, well, the Federal Reserve is a private corporation, and its own primarily by Europeans. And it’s outside of the government. In fact, it’s the only agency that can tell the government to do anything it wants to, and the government can’t do anything about it, because they’re not really connected. Now. That’s, that’s the truth. But it’s also quasi government connected, because everything revolves around the US dollar, but US Dollars printed by the Treasury. And whatever the cost of printing is, we’ll call it that. And I’ll make up a number five cents per per bill that is sold to the Federal Reserve at that cost five cents. And then the Federal Reserve actually loans it to the federal government. So the federal government technically prints the money. But I think it’s a better understanding that Federal Reserve issues it, it’s borrowed into existence by the United States government. So the United States government has this huge debt called deficit that they can never pay back. And that’s how all these Fiat systems basically and is the debt gets so onerous, so unbelievably large, that it’s mathematically impossible to pay it back. And we’ve been in that condition for a very long time. But at some point, the system breaks. And once it’s broken, it cannot be fixed. Usually, there’s a substitution. In other words, in most cases, you actually go back to a gold standard, which fixes the problem least temporarily until that gets corrupted, but so it’s a private corporation. And so you don’t really own the money in a bank. I did a whole very well watched video called some good about bail ins you might talk type in bail ins David Morgan and Daniela Comboni. I think it’s got like 1.6 million views. And in that discussion, I talked about the fact that any one that’s in the United States banking system, you are an unsecured creditor, the bank, the bank owns the money, not you. And that’s something that’s very important. wouldn’t if we got a Cyprus type of situation in the United States, which is on the law books, it could happen? Will it happen? We don’t know. But it could happen. So this begs people, once they understand that’s a truth, a fact or reality that they need, in my opinion, to hedge against that, that problem, which means you’ve got to have something outside the system. And that, of course, could be crypto, it could be gold and silver, which is my choices. It can be something that’s very marketable. I mean, it could be alcohol, cigarettes, coffee can be a lot of things. But the easiest most recognized most fungible is the precious metals.

David Morgan 10:44
Yeah, and I think once you realize that, Ban ins, and, you know, potential social credit system site like China could happen, or just even just you can’t withdraw from the bank, makes you realize that you really do need to have not only a Plan B, but you should really, mostly own things outside of the system. A it feeds into the system, which you don’t want to do anyway, because you are feeding the beast in a way. And b Yes, you want to have your financial sovereignty. And yeah, like you said, Baylands have happened before in a test case, in my opinion in Cyprus, where they sort of took money basically out of people’s accounts, over a certain value, yes. Which I suspect probably happen again. But still, that power does lie, as you’re not really owning that currency, they can easily do this. So even having that risk, is really a reason to not have all of your eggs in that basket for sure. And in my case, I mean, having pretty much all your most your eggs out of that basket, to be honest. I mean, in that case, what’s your I guess outlook on what’s to come? Based on what’s happened in the last few years? Do you see like a, you know, a social credit system come into place where based on medical status, for example? And yeah, I guess your overall outlook on what’s to come in the next few years?

David Morgan 12:19
Well, number one is the bank banking elites don’t want to lose control. I mean, the way that the whole system is controlled is through the monetary system. I’ve said this many times, but it probably bears repeating that, you know, we get these ideologies, we get the red blue dynamic, you know, and this is kind of a divide and conquer meme, you get communism, socialism, fascism, democracy, constitutional republic, monarchy doesn’t matter. All those things. Sure, it matters, it matters to me, I want to be in this system, you know, it’s all controlled by the money system, all of it. And so really, that’s where you got to go, if you want to look at the top of the pyramid, you got to look at who the money masters are. And if you look at who the money masters are, they don’t care. As purportedly, Rothfield said years ago, you know, give me the power to, you know, quite make the money and I care not who make the full laws, it doesn’t matter if it’s a communist, or dictatorship or fascist or whatever, as long as I’m in charge of the money. That’s what matters. So let’s get that clearly established. And then from there, where do we go? Well, we always said you don’t you can do it on a personal level. But where do they want to take us? Well, first, they want to keep power. And they know they can’t pay the debt. So they’re scheming on a reset. And then we hear this word all the time, and the reset will be a resolution of the debt problem. And how they’re going to resolve it exactly, I don’t know. But I have a strong feelings last study and intuition, that they will absolve their own debt, their own obligations, because they know governments can’t pay them back. But they already own everything. So if you’ve used the fiat money system to own all of the wealth, and I’m going to talk about paper money, they don’t care about that. They know how the games played, they created it. But if you’ve used that to own all of your industrial capacity, all of your transportation facilities, all the airlines, all the shipping ports, all of the major businesses and you owe that you really don’t care if the stock price of XYZ conglomerate is 10 bucks or 200 bucks you own it. You own that corporation. So that’s why in a deflationary scenario, they really don’t care because it’s the wealth is owned. What changes is the number of what its pieces of paper, it’s it’s worth, but since they create infinite paper for themselves, and it really doesn’t matter from their perspective, I hope people are following that. So they’ll also spill over into we’re doing it for your own good and And what that means is they will probably absolve some of the debt that the, that the citizenry has meaning, you know, particular pic, mortgage, student loan, credit card, whatever. And I’m not saying they’re going to take it all away, I don’t know, but I think there’ll be some kind of a gimme, you know that when you come into the new system, you know, you’ll automatically get X amount of central bank digital currency and your loans will be forgiven or they’ll be moved out and re configured, you’ll have a years reprieve or who knows, I don’t think they know at this point, but they’ll try to sweeten the deal to make it look like they’re really helping you out, all you have to do is you know, sign up for the new one, and everything’s going to be much better than it was the old one didn’t work. And it didn’t work because of and of course, the because of will be anything but their own selves that created the thing from the beginning, they’ll never blame the banking system as a structure down because that is the problem. So they will blame it on the war on a certain government or illness or combination thereof, or us, you know, we’re doing all these bad things, we got to get in line, we’ve got to eat eat a certain way, we can only go so far we’re not allowed to. And then lastly, because I don’t want to forget it, it will be a social credit score, which is already, as you well know, and most your listeners are probably aware in China, but it’s going to be worldwide, it’s going to be based on how much you salute and see Yes, sir, three bags full that in other words, the way you adhere to the meme of the day, by the control freaks, as long as you align yourself with them publicly. And what you do on social media, you will be tapped patted on the head, and you’ll be allowed to do almost anything within their realm of what little liberty they give you. And if you resist at all, especially in a social media type of environment, or you’re out as an advocate or activist and you get on top of a login, you start spouting the truth to people, you’ll will be degraded or maybe even taken out of the system entirely.

David Morgan 17:15
Yeah. Yeah, I think that is the reality. And I think we have to realize that the system is going to be very much totalitarian and controlled, the CBDCs that will be introduced will be fully traceable fully, just transparent, fully, which, you know, not only is a problem on for us, in the sort of privacy level, but also like, this could be an issue with taxes in a sense that you can be taxed with any transaction probably in in an instant. Forget about doing tax returns, you all interrupt

David Morgan 17:57
you there, and you know, I’m not sure of this, but I’m pretty certain all income tax will just go away. I mean, you’ll be taxed at point of sale. So everything you buy will be taxed right at that right when you do it. And of course, there’ll be a scale on different items. For example, if you’re in a luxury car market, you probably pay a higher tax and if you’re in you know, basic car market, and they could apply that across the board. One thing about that even though I don’t like what they’re doing is that it’s a little more of a free method meaning that you have a choice. I mean, if you’ve got the money to buy a luxury car, but you don’t want to pay that much tax you could go to a mid size or whatever and pay less tax that’s just not making all this up as a as an idea. But I it’s the system is so cumbersome. It’s so convoluted and there’s so many problems to be simple. Once the AI takes over, and you’re right about it being you know, pretty much communist communist but are called Tolo terian. But really a technocracy it’s really bringing in artificial intelligence to monitor all these transactions and then as you said, tax about point of sale so I think that part’s going to go away and whether that’s good, bad or indifferent, you can make up your own mind, but it will be less of a hassle for the citizens they’ll just go about their business but also be not only social credit score can also be on your carbon footprint. So if you are driving too much, you might not be able to buy as much food or if you eat too much meat you might not be able to drive as much or you get the idea I mean, this is going to be such a control freak. No pin down to the average person it’s it’s going to be a nightmare for any of us are in a free market thinking type kale.

David Morgan 19:51
Yeah, it will, but I would always advocate for I believe it’s still a choice to be involved in this them. And anyone out there who’s still feeling like, you know, this is inevitable, potentially it is. But it doesn’t have to affect you as much as it does for someone who’s you know, fully invested in the system and doesn’t even know what’s going on. So I guess that is the right segue to, I guess, how will owning precious metals particularly, and obviously, especially silver, in your case, help protect us from this sort of system and help protect our wealth during a potential collapse?

David Morgan 20:35
Well, first of all, I want to emphasize what you just said, you know, everything I’ve said, so far is my best studied view. But it’s not inevitable at all. And there could be a lot of resistance, and it may not be implemented, or once it’s implemented, may not work, it may fail. So there’s a lot of things that we could talk about, about what we think is going to happen. But this doesn’t necessarily mean it will be. You know, that that will be the case. So I would say why silver, I wrote the 10 Rules of Silver Investing almost 20 years ago. And one of the things I wrote about was why it was important to start with silver, it goes something like this, no one who no one wants to be a prophet of doom. But in the unlikely event of an all out financial collapse, silver will be the money of last resort, gold will be too high unit value to buy everyday goods like gas, and groceries, whereas silver will be adapted for that method. Therefore, I urge every investor to have some silver on hand, which they can use if necessary. That’s kind of an outline of what they said. And I still believe that, you know, people have every investor own silver, the price of silver probably be north of a couple $100 an ounce. The problem is that most people aren’t aware of that. They don’t believe it, or they’re in silver, it hasn’t gone anywhere for 10 years. I mean, there’s a lot of reasons why people are discouraged by so. But it’s the main fact is there’s not enough participation. That’s one. And the other one is how much it makes a financial system. Gold makes up maybe 1% of the financial system, but silver makes up point zero 2% of the financial system. But having that small market presence, if it doubled, the market participation, you can see a huge increase in price because it is a small market. Yeah.

David Morgan 22:52
Yeah. It’s potentially it’s an interesting one, because it’s like so many people around the globe, really, I mean, the majority of the population don’t really know about this side of investing, and even owning precious metals. They don’t know how to even go about owning precious metals. I mean, what’s I guess? Another question, and a lot of people do say, in the alternative space as well, is, if everything does fail, or if you’re shut out of the system, how will owning precious metals in that case, really, really help you? And I always sort of say, it’s not really for that use? In my opinion, my opinion is, it’s something to hedge, a potential hyperlink or an inflation event, then you can use the gains that you’ve made to potentially buy, you know, land or whatever you want in terms of barter material. I mean, what was your view on that? Because a lot of people do say, you know, why invest in you know, let’s say, crypto and precious metals, for example, when you know, potentially, you’re going to be shut out of the system. And, you know, there’s a potential for you not being able to use these things in that case.

David Morgan 24:12
Okay, well, going back to the 10 Rules of Silver Investing. And I, you know, went from memory what I wrote, which my memory is pretty good, but it’s, you know, 10 rules, and then I expand on what the rule means. So rule number one is, when all else fails, there is silver. I mean, I can’t be more succinct and direct in that. So when the when the cyber attack comes when the grid goes down, or is turned off, or you’re not allowed to enter into the internet because you have a low social credit score or any of that stuff. When all of that fails, they’re silver. And again, going back to small units like 90% Silver dime or 90% Silver quarter like we used to get paid was 11 year old kid that has the value of about $6.25 sense. So when I was a teenager, I could buy a gallon of gas for a quarter. And now I can take that silver quarter and still buy a gallon of gas. So it’s done what it’s supposed to do, which means maintain your wealth. It certainly hasn’t made any of us wealthy, but I think those days are ahead of us. So really, when all else fails, there still are now going a step further. And it’s not a total breakdown, which I doubt there’s going to be a total breakdown, but there’s going to be some big disruptions, there’s a big difference between not being able to get exact groceries you want and being able to eat than there is not having any I mean that I don’t think it’s going to take place, there could be areas where it’s that bad, but you know, people are very, they adapt very quickly, especially under harsh conditions. So move, they’ll find it, they’ll find a way. So back to what you said, George is in, as this thing morphs into the next system, there’ll be a lot of opportunities. And because you have got real money, you will be able to take advantage of those opportunities. So you may be able to buy somebody’s business, you may be able to take over a grocery store, you may be able to buy cash flow, real estate, my bit about right land, you might be able to start a car lot. I mean, there’s a lot of things you can do when you have cash at the bottom. And I mean, real cash, physical, gold and silver. Could be other things. But those, as I said earlier, are the primary ones. So I think that’s it. I mean, the no rule number one, when all sales are silver, of course, gold as well. And gold would be very useful as in a scenario, that’s the most likely, which means huge distortions, people that are over leveraged. I mean, there’s probably people out there in the real estate market right now that are looking at a $5 million $10 million $50 million net worth, they look at all their properties and look at the cash flows and look at everything they’ve got, but they’re still over leveraged. And if the real estate market crashes, and they can’t service the debt because people don’t pay the rent, or the government says they’re only allowed to clap this month, should they move out, all of a sudden, those very large numbers on paper that make it feel very secure, over literally almost overnight that can come very insecure. So there’s a lot to a debt based monetary system that most people don’t find out until they find it out the hard way. And that is an example of that going to happen in real estate? I don’t know. I do know it happens some people in the 2008 crisis. And I’m not real pro real estate right now. It was always a case by case individual one on one relationship. In other words, there’s always opportunities in every market, if you know, the circumstances. But you have to look at him carefully.

David Morgan 27:48
Yes, for sure. And I think there is there’s going to be opportunities. Like you mentioned, in any of these sorts of scenarios, there’s always opportunities. And people who are awake to these situations usually can do pretty well, and can really make the difference to their lives. And, you know, this is where the chances can happen for you. I guess moving on to what your view on crypto is because a lot of Beretta precious metals guys can sometimes not really get into crypto, they sort of shy away from it, because it’s sort of tech based. What’s your view on the market? I know, there are sort of definitely, let’s say government and banking backed coins that maybe we we don’t want to get involved with. But there’s also some some good projects going on, in my opinion. So I mean, what are your views on on that? See the whole crypto market and what you’re getting involved with?

David Morgan 28:47
Well, my overall view is I am free market and I wrote an article my two bits about Bitcoin. And I think 2017 It might have been as early as 2014. I don’t remember, it’s been at least eight years or so. And maybe not eight years, five years. Anyway, MIT bits about Bitcoin. So who cares what I think if I am who I say I am a free market, it’s up for you to be determined in the market to determine if bitcoin is good or that at that time when I wrote it, Bitcoin was about the only thing out there. And I also said that watch out because the money masters have a monopoly and they will not want to lose this monopoly. So Bitcoin truly is independent. And I’m not convinced that it is. But if it is, the bankers will figure out a way to get regulated or control it or you serpent or whatever. I think that’s happened. Go to my website, the Morgan report.com And you pull down the blog tab. There’s 21 different interviews that I’ve done on what’s called the crypto conspiracy podcast. And I brought in a lot of different gasps talking about what’s really going on in the crypto space. So if you’re interested in looking at both sides of the coin, as before you invest or even after you invest, I would highly recommend that you probably watch every one of them. But really to save time, I would suggest you listen to number one, I should have been Well, number one that kind of got an intro to it number four, where we bring up the graph Commons and show how much Jeffrey Epstein at MIT is tied to Bitcoin. And then go to number 14, where he interviewed Kurt Kurt, who was a historian for Bitcoin. And he verified everything that I had conjectured up to that point, meaning that it has been usurped by the banks. And proof of that. And then up to I’ve done with Michael McKibben, the last one was most recent, it was episode number 21. And he talks about how the whole email slash social media space started, and that what he had to do with it, and how it was basically patented, and patent was taken from him. And so there’s a lot to the story that I’ve done probably more work on, I think, a buddy in the public domain, on this whole situation. So if you really want to look hard and deep, and keep an open mind, I would highly recommend that you get on the website, the morning report.com, hit the blog tab and start looking for the crypto conspiracy podcast.

George Papp 31:57
I think for me, I think maybe it started potentially with the look on being freedom based. But it’s hard to tell, like you said, it’s hard to tell. And bitcoin is completely tracked, trackable. You know, whatever transactions you do on the Bitcoin Blockchain, they will be able to use chain analytics to basically just trace that transaction, and they can see exactly how much you’ve got in your wallet. And that’s not just government, that’s also other just, I guess, hackers as well. It’s like, you know, even criminals out there who want to, you know, hack your accounts, let’s say, can basically see everything you have. Now, that’s where I think there is a solution in the privacy coin space. I mean, do you know much about these sort of privacy coins at all? Or do you have a view on those?

David Morgan 32:50
Yeah, well, I’m all for, you know, free market and peaceful solutions by, you know, innovators. And yes, I am familiar with some of them. And, yeah, this whole thing about the blockchain is very, very interesting to me. Because really, it’s it’s a double edged sword, overused, metaphor. But on one side, you have central bank, digital currencies, controlled by the elites that we already given us so much grief. But you also have the opportunity to create your own system. And if money is power, which is one of my main premises, and the bankers have the money, then they have the power. But if we have the money, then we have the power, and we don’t even need them anymore, or very likely, we agree to have some leadership, quote, unquote. So the opportunities there is just how will it be taken, and you know, the power of authority is breaking down all the time. I mean, unless you’re in the in the programmed space, meaning, you know, you’ve watched enough TV, that your neuro connections are so entrained, that you can’t think outside of what you’ve been programmed to think. But anyone that’s not that dark, which is probably better than half the population, then you have the ability to make your own rules, you know, and do your own thing. And of course, that’s where the privacy coins come in. So it’s not determined yet. You know, I know I sound like Mr. Doom Mr. Gloom, I don’t mean to I think I’m a realist. I try not to overemphasize the bad or the good. There’s both always and the opportunity is there. So a lot of people George and your generation or my kids generation, very bright, very optimistic, looking for solutions, thinking about how things can be done differently thinking way outside of the box, and certainly have not been programmed by the mainstream media into the inability to come up with solution. So, pretty optimistic about it, but not 100% Obviously, there’s a little bit struggle. And it’s gonna be, you know, the overused word very interesting times to see how this really, really comes about. I mean, you could see a quick example, you know, the cbdc implemented. And you know, you have to have a central bank, digital currency, your bank account is going to be closed, you’ve got one week to change over who knows. And nobody does it. Of course, people will, but the point being that they may not see, again, it’s a big thing in a way. Because there’s so many people that are becoming awake and aware all the time, and are seeking solutions. I mean, something as simple as creating your currency, like happened in the 30s, where your local community just agrees, and makes it illegal contract and say, for every hour, you work, you get this shit. And so many of these chips are good for chicken, and you know, that kind of thing. And that happened a lot. So it can happen again, as I said earlier, when the pressure is on, people get very, very creative and power the people.

George Papp 36:15
Yeah, you’re forced to become creative, right? Yeah, otherwise, I think it just brings this whole COVID thing into perspective, where it’s forced people to make the change that actually probably is better their lives, because there’s a lot of people in our space you have probably had. I’m not gonna say great time in the last two years, but I will say maybe an enlightening time, and also probably have moved into their passion, or at least have woken up to what’s going on in the current system. So yeah, there is a lot of change. But it doesn’t necessarily mean that it’s going to be, you know, chaos fully on and complete destruction for you. There’s always going to be in my opinion solutions. us as human beings, we are, in my opinion, again, very creative, like you said, and also very, very, we have a drive for freedom within us. And I think that could take hold. We’ve seen a lot of awakening in the last two years, for sure. Record number. So yeah, it’ll be interesting to see where this goes, like you said. So I mean, let’s move on to any projects that you’re currently working on. I guess load is one in the space, but also, personally, what are you doing to prepare for, you know, potentially what’s going on in the food crisis, just COVID in general, but even just how the system’s going, what are you doing personally, in your own life, obviously, don’t have to share too many details, but just what you’re doing to prepare and also speak a bit about load as a project that you’re working on?

David Morgan 37:55
Sure. You know, as Buffett says, we eat our own cooking, I obviously have some called Junk silver, constitutional silver, I have what’s called bag silver, which would be bag silver is $1,000 face value, so it’d be 4000 orders would equal 1000 face value. I’ve gotten a bag of $100 and dimes. And that’s, you know, $100, right. It’s all it is. But in Fiat, it’s 2500. Right. So that, again, shows you what I said a moment ago about, you know, a quarter will buy a gallon of gas till it’s a silver quarter. So I have that also have paper money. I mean, if the ATMs go out, or there’s a problem with a cyber attack, or any of that stuff, it’s not bad to have physical, you know, cash. So I have that I saw the food thing from a long time ago and been advocating, you know, have some extra food. So I’ve got that. And then being more self sufficient, you know, thinking back about taking using the, say, the precious metals and converting into something that is beneficial more than just having solid money. Because really, you know, having a strong savings is a good thing. But really, at the end of the day, you’re gonna have to do something with it, hopefully something productive. So you go back to the idea of raw land, let’s say that you have enough silver you can buy, let’s make up a number of five acres, five acres, you don’t give it to the community, but you let the community come in and work on it for vegetables and you make a community garden and everybody benefits right. So I mean, there’s a lot of things that you know, that have potential like that. You just got to do a little bit of thinking to implement them. So that’s about it. I you know, try to live within my means always have tried to be somewhat frugal, but not miserly. I always think of how I can contribute, I won’t go into what I do. But I will just say that it’s not all about me. It’s certainly about what I can contribute not only to these podcasts, but what I can do, sometimes financial, often a financial basis, because it’s easier for me to contribute that way than to, you know, work at the food bank, or work at the homeless shelter or whatever, all those things are not out of my wheelhouse. So we’re gonna get back to you, George.

George Papp 40:32
Excellent. Yeah, I’ve been doing the same thing would be sort of money in the account taking, taking cash, physical cash as well, even though you know, technically, it may not be worth much, let’s say, in a hyperinflation environment, but people’s minds have been focused on the fact that paper money is worth something, right. So you know, it could be useful in those sorts of scenarios. And in regards to, like you said, you know, doing charitable things, helping others who, who really need it in this time is, is definitely something that, that, you know, you’re advocating good for the world. And usually, it comes to you, and you don’t do it out of out of the fact that you want something back, you’re giving, and these sorts of things are certainly in light in alignment with with how I guess, people could and should be in a way, you know, just being more giving. We’ve come into a world where we’re very greedy and focused on ourselves. And I think this has probably led to the situation that the collective is born into. So yeah, that’s, that’s a great point as well. I guess finally, what advice and key takeaways would you give our listeners to implement sort of strategies in their lives that they may not have heard of before just key sort of takeaways for them to take into their life

David Morgan 41:57
by being independent or self sufficient, independent doesn’t mean you do everything by yourself, but independent means you do more by yourself. In other words, instead of hiring someone to fix your plumbing, you learn to do it yourself, or maybe minor repairs on your car, whatever. In other words, more self sufficient you are or really the more self sufficient your community is, the less dependent you are. And we in the West particularly become overdependent. I mean, you’ve got to have someone that tells you you know, what your meal plan is you gotta have someone tells you how to lift the weight, you have someone tell you, you know where to put your money, you have to, you know, it’s an all these things you should be able to do on your own. So the more self sufficient become, and the more that you simplify your life, I think it will be the keys going forward. And I guess last one is attitude and appreciation. If your attitude is I can get through this, no matter what the world throws at me, that attitude alone will carry a great deal. And an appreciation for what you do have, you know, you might go back, I’ll never get that brand of, you know, chocolate again, or whatever. And that was that will happen. I’m not sort of saying chocolate, but there will be things that you take for granted today, or a couple years ago, that just will not be available anymore. And so, but that doesn’t mean, that’s just a thing. Maybe a food item, it may be a game, it may be an internet site, who knows. But the idea is to appreciate what you do that be grateful for what you do have. And lastly, your contribution. You know, what can you contribute to your fellows, you know, what, what is it in time? What is money? What is it in conversation, sometimes just listening is one of the most underrated one of the most underrated things that our friend can do. Sometimes people just want to get it off their chest, they don’t even want your feedback. They just want to vent and you just sit there listen to every word and say thank you for sharing you walk away, that has a lot more power than most people understand. So hopefully there’s some ideas for you.

George Papp 44:07
Nice one. Yeah. holistic approach is, is something that is definitely key for our independence, or community. Because we’ve been focused to sort of be pigeonholed into, I am a economics, economic economist, or I am a plumber. And that’s all I know, right? Instead of, instead of actually having a holistic approach of you know, I can do certain things in and I know certain things in each of these categories. So you can be self sufficient, or at least your community like you said can be self sufficient. I mean, in the UK, we would you know, if something breaks in your bathroom or something, you’re straight on the phone to some sort of guide to come and fix it. You know, something happens to your car straight away your phone and someone else To fix it, instead of the sort of approaches, unfortunately, that just gives you a power away and I, you don’t need to necessarily know how to do everything, you know, your community as a community could have those skills. But, you know, having those minor skills can get you a long way. And I think that’s the way to sort of take our take our power back, potentially. Well, thanks, David, for joining me today, and I look forward to having you on again, in the future, potentially, make sure you subscribe to the podcast on iTunes or Spotify. Plus, if you’re interested in having one to one consulting to prepare your wealth, for the great reset, check out this episode show notes for a link to cryptonomousconsulting.com. Also, we’ll have all the links to the Morgan Report and, and also other links to David Morgan stuff, all in the show notes for you to learn more, please do check it out. Definitely. You know, it’s going to be amazing information for you to learn and to, you know, get that sort of education that you need to move forward. So yeah, thank you very much, David. Any last thoughts?

David Morgan 46:08
That’s it, George. Thanks for having me. Appreciate it.

George Papp 46:10
Excellent. Thank you David and peace of love to you.

David Morgan 46:12
Thank you