Interview with Chris Roxx: The American Debt Slave

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Today, we are joined by Chris Roxx, creator and host of the American Debt Slave podcast. We’ll be discussing his thoughts on the current global situation, crypto, and the Great Reset agenda. Thanks for coming on. Chris. How’s it going?

Chris R 1:19
Doing Well, thank you for having me.

George Papp 1:21
Thanks for coming on, man. I mean, you were passed over to me actually by one of the guys at Cryptonomous. Nelson,who you know well, he’s been on your podcast as well. And I instantly thought, you know, let’s have a conversation, because you’ve obviously got, you know, a lot of info in regards to what’s come sort of currently going on, I think it’s a good time to discuss with you. And obviously, where we’re both sort of doing podcasts on similar niche. So yeah, I thought we would all jump in, I think, to be honest, this jump into your story. And I guess how you got into this side of the alternative space, how you obviously came to start the podcast as well. And yeah, just give a background on yourself?

Chris R 2:08
Well, let’s just say I’ve been red pilled, since I was about 10 years old, my father lived outside the system revoked and rescinded his social security number God rest his soul. He taught me that income taxes are voluntary. And that was my very first conspiracy theory. He used to lock me in my room during Friday night parties with the IRS code. And he’d said, go ahead and define the definition of income. And then he’d locked the doors, and then come back in an hour, open it up and say, did you find it know exactly, now go to your party. So I would meet people at Friday night parties just sitting in the driveway, talking to them, you know, in a circle saying you don’t have to pay your income taxes, it says it right on the back of your W two, the very first thing it says in small print is you are not required to file period. And it’s just like, really Yeah. And so I didn’t know that when you get a job and you sign the paperwork, don’t sign one and clean yourself, go down to box seven, and put exempt right in exempt and then sign the bottom. Now they’re going to come back to you and say, Well, you could have to pay at the end of the year. And I say that’s fine, no problem, let me have all my money. And that way I can invest it and do this and do that with that money. And then I’ll pay him. And immediately the company’s I didn’t know this until I had my own company that they are more than willing to do that they even gave me a raise at Pizza for doing so they said don’t tell anybody, but we’ll just give you an extra dollar raise on top, really. And that back then was 515 an hour. So I got 615 an hour answering the phones at pizza. And that was good money and I got all my money except for FICA and Medicare but no income taxes. And I’ve never filed I choose not to file I choose to live outside the system. The only downfall to that is you cannot get traditional financing for a home you must get rich. And that is where crypto comes involved in crypto, and how you can take it out of the system away from the system and build our own economy with that. My biggest fear about crypto is that it is the mark of the beast and that’s our cashless society. And I was a little worried about that. But then these privacy tokens come out and we’ll see where the that that environment is going. But yeah, I’ve just been kind of living free and paying rents and you know, building businesses here and there. But I mean, I’ve gotten letters from the IRS saying hey, you owe $80,000 Please sign here and I’m like, Whoa, that’s contract law, buddy. I’m not gonna do in shit with that. Because once you wave your hand my father always said yes, no problem. I’m a slave, please don’t hurt me. Then they have you then they can take you to court then they have evidence against you. You’re pretty much giving your you’re giving up all of your information and claiming that they have ownership over you. And you don’t it’s a straw man concept with maritime admiralty law. I mean, I wouldn’t go down that rabbit hole is a huge one, but It’s all there on the internet, people have done much better information than than I could ever do during this podcast. But if you guys are actually interested in doing that just look up income taxes or voluntary checkout, who’s that one guy? Peter Schiff, his father, Irwin Schiff, he who was in jail died in jail a cancer because he refused to wave his hand and say, I’m a slave. And that guy went around and did seminars and taught people how not to file and encouraging people not to file. And my father said, don’t, don’t, don’t be a target, you know, avoid it, there’s a difference between tax avoidance and tax evasion. Okay, you can evade taxes by using the system using credit fraudulently filing, you know, lying on your income taxes, or you just don’t even participate and you live off cash, gold, silver and crypto.

George Papp 5:53
Yeah, there’s solutions out there. And so many people don’t know, any of this stuff, common law and, and obviously, taxes and all that. I mean, I urge everyone like, like you said, to really look into that. Because you can, it’s not evading it’s, it’s actually you’re right, and you just need to know the right ways of going about it. Get stuck in you know, potentially their their jaws basically. Right. Right. Yeah. I mean, going back to what you were talking about with, with, I think we should go to the privacy crypto stuff, actually, I think and like crypto itself. And, I mean, I was a big crypto fan, you know, Bitcoin as well, and all of this sort of transparent coins. And then after a while, kind of like seeing promotions of crypto everywhere in the mainstream. Even there was bad press, obviously. But like, even just like sponsoring stadiums, and having like, all this advertising everywhere, and then it kind of made me wonder if it was a solution, and something that would be against the system, they wouldn’t really be allowed to do any of this. So it kind of got me thinking myself actually about is Bitcoin, just the sort of Trojan horse basically into the CB DC world? And what are your thoughts on that on Bitcoin? And the transparency coins before we move on to the privacy coin?

Chris R 7:14
Well, I, I got into bitcoin in late 2017, when it reached $1,000.20, grand real quick, within like a month, right? Got in late. This is me off every time. Sorry.

George Papp 7:28
But I know you’re going earlier than me to be fair.

Chris R 7:32
Well, you know, you have another chance to get in at 3002. And for a while. But things are things are very crazy with that. But I think what they’re doing with crypto and Bitcoin as an like, it’s pumping and pumping and pumping, people are going to realize that this is good. Let me get in on this. Let me give up my cash for this digital currency that keeps keeps going up in value, make it really attractive for the mainstream. Look, it keeps going up you guys look, it keeps going up. You guys got to get into this. Everyone gets into it. And then okay, cool. Great. Now we all have it, boom, now we got your rug poll, boom, you’re all broke. Oh, and you don’t have cash anymore, by the way, you traded your gold, your silver and your cash for this digital currency that we now control. And you cannot go and shop at Walmart only on Tuesdays and Thursdays between the hours of four and eight and you can’t get that pizza, you’re gonna have to eat roaches instead. So that’s the control grid, I see that they want to happen. But I also think that they weren’t planning for the internet. And they weren’t planning for us to talk like this across oceans at the same time. And that we can now get out the word and put out our own opinions and our own observations of what’s happening to us locally, and putting it all together. And people are like, Oh, okay, hold on. So that’s why they created the privacy token. And building that I’m really, really liked. Darrow. I love that Darrow is setting up a whole entire like L one system. I don’t even know what it is. But there’s like the Aetherium of privacy tokens where you get to build on top of that. And I’m like, okay, cool. I don’t have much of it. But I mean, why not throw 50 bucks a month towards some other bucks towards this or 50 bucks towards that. Something you can afford to lose? Don’t mortgage your house for crypto, that’s silly. All I want is a house if I can get a house cash somewhere in the middle of nowhere, and just not participate in the economy. That would be wonderful. That would be absolutely wonderful. I hate working jobs. I love working for myself. I’ve been working my for myself for I don’t know the past 15 years more than that even I mean I was washing windows. Then I got in to online sales. And then I just went into online and that’s that’s where the money is that is really building a community and being able to have a product to service that community something that they like, I’m in between businesses right now thinking of what I could do what I could sell, and a good product that people on this podcast or anything would resonate with. So I’m thinking about selling ozone drops and supplements b 12, some iodine, and some ozone machines if you don’t know anything about activated oxygen, whew, that’s a whole nother rabbit hole. We can go down on my friend that stuff saved my life within 10 minutes coughed up 24 Black Luby’s and cured my lung cancer, boom, done, totally illegal in the United States to get it done. But I found someone right down the street that’s willing to do it. And I’m like, Oh, my God, and he turns the corner. Like, I’ve only seen cancer patients do that. When I was a little did he know that? Before I went to go see him. I went to a doctor and did a live blood analysis and it was riddled with cancer cells. And I’m like, that’s why I collapsed in my kitchen. Okay, we’re not going to do this anymore. So I quit smoking, quit vaping and got into ozone. And when I did that my vape business kind of dwindled, and fell down and plateaued, because I just wasn’t resonating with it energetically. So I need to find a product that I resonate with.

George Papp 10:55
That. That’s really interesting. I’ve not ever heard of that type of therapy. No, it’s been in Germany

Chris R 11:01
for over 100 years. Wow. That’s where it came from?

George Papp 11:05
How easy it is. How easy is it to sort of get hold of for someone who might be want to try that?

Chris R 11:12
Well, you’re in Athens, you’re in Europe, right? Yeah. Oh, man, you can just Google it now that hospitals in Germany that you can just walk into and get an IV done. Interesting.

George Papp 11:23
I mean, something to check out. I mean, if you if you had a good experience, you know, why not? Check that out? Obviously, do your own research,

Chris R 11:30
man, it’s it slows down the aging process. I’m 40 years old. If I had hair, I’d look a lot younger. But man, I tell you, I feel great. It’s ridiculous. I feel so good at 40 And yet, all of my friends are sick, gastroparesis, GI tract, bowel function, migraines. It’s just unbelievable type of stuff. A liver, what their livers are failing. I’m like, What the hell do you guys, and I’m just like I’ve been doing ozone for since 2015. So about seven years now. And I just did some this morning. 530 in the morning, man, it just feel freakin good. It puts you on a different vibration. We’re just feel wonderful. Now the machines do cost money about $3,300. But it’s worth every penny and it’ll last forever. It won’t ever break down. It’s just like it easy. It’s an easy machine. It’s like a like almost like a neon sign. That’s pretty much what a neon sign is, is ozone activated oxygen, but they’re taking it from the air instead of actual oxygen tank, you want to clean oxygen tank that goes through the machine and out the tube. And what the machine does, it puts another molecule on to 02. So it makes it 03, 04, 05 and 06 anything above 02 or three or higher is activated oxygen. And no virus, fungus or bacteria can live in an oxygen rich environment. And also repairs DNA.

George Papp 12:46
Nice one. I mean, guys, check. Check it out. Do your own research. See, see if it works for you. If you want to give it a go. Let’s move to thoughts on the current situation. And I guess where it’s headed, do you think things are as let’s say negative as some of the I guess the alternative space can push out some some fear porn? Do you think? You know, where’s it heading? Your thoughts on that? And is there hope because I always want to give hope because I always feel that there’ll be space and there will always be a way around everything. In my opinion, even in a dystopian future.

Chris R 13:27
Well, there is hope and death, because we’re all here at all of our destinies to die. And that’s what we came here for. And it doesn’t matter really in my in my way. If I’ve made it to 40 years, I really could die tomorrow and be happy, and I wouldn’t have to pay rent anymore. So that’s that’s me. As far as like, where it’s going after this, I feel that we’re brewing for something much, much bigger. deagle Do you remember They took down that website. And they used to predict, you know, by 2025. We’re gonna have like, what 300 was 300 million now. And they predicting down to like a couple 100,000 the United States by 2025. And the GDP is going to be extremely low. That hasn’t. We’re not at 2025 yet, but I was like always thinking well, how are they going to depopulate this many people that’s insane. They can’t bomb everybody what’s going on? And then the vaccines rolled out. And I’m like, Oh, shit. And right when this happened in March of 2020 when they’re locking everything down, you notice they did on the Ides of March to on March 15. And I ran into some woman in the parking lot at the grocery store. And you know, she took off her mask immediately. It was like, upset and like, oh, like I hate these masks too. She’s like, absolutely. And don’t you ever get tested and definitely don’t take the vaccine. I’m like, Whoa, she’s like, I’m a retired. I’m a retired doctor. I went to Texas a&m. Do not do any of that. Like, oh, thank you so much. So early. early on. I was like wow, okay, so There’s really something bigger going on in this. And then when the people started posting videos about the Bluetooth, and how the little miscellaneous codes and MAC addresses started coming up on their Bluetooth settings, I was like, No way. So I checked my bluetooth settings. I’m like, Oh my God, that’s That’s for real. And it freaked me out. If you go back and you see they’re all chipped on one of my videos, I literally had goose bumps on my arm because it was over 150 miscellaneous codes at Walmart. I’m just like, wow, and I can sit in a restaurant 7am On the first one there, no miscellaneous codes., as people walk in, boom, boom, boom, it starts populating, and you can stand it like traffic lights, and watch everybody drive by. And then there’s no cars, then there’s no miscellaneous codes, then there’s a stoplight and there’s a bunch of miscellaneous codes. So I don’t know if they’re going to activate this and people are just going to collapse. They could do it sporadically. Now that everyone’s chipped. They could say, oh, we have another breakout over here. Or they could actually say, Oh, it’s a dirty bomb. And it’s an EMP or something and you can’t go outside and they can boom, boom, you can remotely control all these people and just say, Look, you can’t do it over here. These people are dying because of this. And really, if there’s chips in there, then the radiation could just be emitted. And they could suffer from radiation poisoning because they’re chipped. And because it’s working with the 5g. I have no idea man, I have no idea.

George Papp 16:22
Yeah, it’s like now it’s okay. Now it’s like it could anything can happen now. And there’s nothing off the table right now when that’s what’s so basically you’re saying though, when you say when you’re on your phone, and you go on to Bluetooth, and you you literally put it on to search for Bluetooth, right? available devices, right? You’re seeing loads of miscellaneous codes, like loads of different codes when you’re in a populated area.

Chris R 16:51
Let’s see this. Here we go. Let me pull this up. And say I’m in my apartment. There are a couple people home and Bluetooth. And I’ll show you guys right here. repopulate searching devices. Boom, here we go. 123. I don’t know if you can see that. Can we see that? Yeah. But guys,

George Papp 17:13
guys on Spotify, their Spotify and audio there are balances about 4 or 5. About 4 misc codes there, which is very interesting. And that’s just my neighbors. Yeah, I’ll definitely have to check that out when I go to go to town or something.

Chris R 17:36
Yeah, and it doesn’t work on all phones. Mine is an older Androids and LG Q seven plus, I hear that there are apps or that you have to go into developer mode on Apple to be able to pull these up and see them. Not everyone can see them. So it’s very, very different. It’s just strange. I’m surprised these people are still walking around my friends got vaccinated, and you know, a magnet stuck to her. And then she got the second shot and the cell phone stuck to her. Like, why did you do this? And then she’s still got COVID

George Papp 18:07
Yeah, that’s also what happens now. Yeah. They said it wasn’t gonna you know, you won’t be able to get hit. If if you took the shot, right. Everyone’s getting. Yeah, I mean, the the lies keep coming. But in in another respect. How do you see the economy because obviously, we’re seeing that now the repercussions of the economy, which I was saying from right at the beginning, the economic situation from all this is going to be far worse than any disease, if you believe it exists, right is going to going to do is the economic situation because poverty and low jobs. Homelessness causes either illness or can’t actually eat so people starve and actually don’t even then causes stress. And that causes illness as well. So all of that situation in the economy. How do you see this coming up now? Because obviously, we have seen inflation going going wild right now? Are you predicting a sort of hyper hyperinflation event? to basically bring in the CBDCs in that sort of aspect?

Chris R 19:17
Well, I’ll tell you something very strange. When I was 10 years old, I had a dream that you’re going to live to 88 years old, you’re going to die in the year 2069 You can see everyone you know in love die starting with your parents. And both my parents died within three weeks of each other this past March. So I’m getting I’m gearing up for it. I don’t know exactly. I know I’m going to be okay. Whether I live in the city or not something that dream just kind of resonated with me. And I’m like, doesn’t matter if there’s bombs dropping that dream said I’m gonna lift ADA the bombs gonna miss me the bullets are gonna miss it’s just it’s not going to happen for me. So if you want to stay safe during the apocalypse here in Dallas, just stick with me. He’ll be fine. It’s very strange, very, very strange. They’re they’re going to depopulate I just don’t understand how but it could be famine. You know, it could be both it could they have to use multiple multiple lefties everything in their arsenal to get it down, but at the same time that they didn’t expect the internet, so I think that people are getting are wising up to it. And it may and may not happen. You know, I mean I’m still on the fence about it all I’m optimistic. Sure. But at the same time, I do believe that dark forces rule is golden. We’re, this is not our home, we’re just passing through. So don’t take anything too seriously. Yeah, and we’re here for the we have to be here for an experience my good my best friend Doreen, who died in 2009. You know, we do a lot of acid together back in high school and college. And he said, You think I’m black? You think you’re white? Dude, we’re just temporary human. We’re just spiritual beings having a temporary human existence. That’s all we’re just passing through buddy. Like, okay.

George Papp 21:04
That was before he had the pill. Ya know, to be honest, like that, I’ve had that sort of experience. Now I’m thinking, well, trying to get out of my head, actually, our thoughts because thoughts are, kind of realize that that’s programming, a lot of the thoughts that come into your head, the way to change your thoughts to be more aligned with, let’s say, the more positive energy or aligned with the forces above, is to try and get out of your mind. But yeah, in regards to that, I actually firmly believe that as well. It’s more of a feeling than a belief that we got to kind of get rid of belief systems is another thing. But yeah, I think we are passing through this world as a test as a spiritual experience. But we are ultimately not human. It’s not us, the body isn’t us the mind isn’t us. It’s just part of the experience that you’re having. If you go through that thought process, the fear kind of falls away. And you kind of live life a lot more Happy, go lucky. You’re not worried. You’re not paranoid. You just you know, get on with your life. And you know, if things go well, great if they don’t great as well, because this is just an experience. But try and do just try and do good on this world. And I think that’s probably what we’re here for. I think maybe the test is to be the best. A good person, in a sense, even through, you know, let’s say an apocalypse as we are in at the moment, really, because if you look at the what are the what are the sort of horsemen of the apocalypse is famine, economy, illness, and think war? Probably? Probably, will just, I think it was just death. Right? So it’s clear that we’re in that sort of that, let’s say story quotes, quotation marks there. So yeah, I guess how are you preparing for it? I mean, if you’re not preparing you might not be I think, if it’s just an experience, right, you don’t need to prepare. But how are you guess moving through this? Are you making preparations? Or are you just taking it by day?

Chris R 23:07
No, I got I got a year supply food little over a year supply of food, you know, that’s about it. You know, if things hit the fan, that’s what I got. Whether that’s going to be if people are gonna raid me for my food, like, Okay. I have no idea. I’ve never experienced it. Like I said, I’m just pretty much just a normal guy live in his day to day. And you know, hoping for the best. I mean, I go out for breakfast every morning, because I don’t know when’s the last time someone’s going to be able to serve me coffee? I tell you what, I wake up and wake up one day and like the kids are like, What do you mean, someone like just brought you coffee and bacon and eggs to your table? Like, yeah, for paper? Yeah. And yeah.

George Papp 23:51
Yeah. Yeah.

Chris R 23:52
What’s that? Like? You know,

George Papp 23:55
I think we’ve got long for that, right. A few years, I think, maybe, maybe even someplace.

Chris R 24:01
I told years ago that when inflation hits, it’s gonna get to the point to where it’s going to be pointless to go to work. Because what’s the point your money’s not going to not gonna go anywhere? And we’re seeing that now. People that we’re hiring, yeah, but if you’re not paying at least 2450 an hour, which is actually what minimum wage should be if you had like, what is it five silver quarters? You know, that’s what needs to be minimum wage. I think it’s like 1890 or 20s, between 1890 and $24 fluctuating. But, yeah, that I mean, I used to be able to even like in the year 2022 years ago, when I first got out of high school, I could get a studio apartment and work a job at like the grocery store and live just fine. When maybe my rent would be 300 bucks a month, my electricity would be at most 50 bucks. And you know, there was like cell phones $45 gas 99 cents, and it’s just gotten so bad that you know, these assets have been been bought up and everyone buying assets they’re safe. Bye Homes, you know, and I just wish I had a house. I mean, that would be wonderful to have a house and work a normal job and be able to just pay my taxes on the house. But then property taxes, good God that can go up to the value of the home. It’s You’re screwed no matter what, man. I mean, we live in a prison planet. You know, I love when I heard, why do we have to pay to live on a planet we were born on? That makes no sense. You know? And like, why do we have to constantly make this money? I mean, it is pretty much slavery. You know, you can, I mean, back in the day when there was slaves, you know, you they gave you food shelter, all you did is have to go out in the field and work. Now they don’t give you food and shelter, they give you money. So you can go buy food and shelter. It’s ridiculous. And they control the value of that money anytime they want. Let’s let’s make these slides a little bit poor today, print, print, print. Okay, and then they get that money first buy up all the assets, the assets going go up in price. And these people that create this economy, it’s just ridiculous. So I’m hoping with crypto, that that can change. But I just done not on. Like I said, it’s so new. I don’t know what’s going to happen with that. But cross your fingers, the only thing you can do is hope. And you know, breathe, relax, meditate, and we’ll let the opportunities come to you. And you know, it’s gonna be all right, no matter what.

Exactly. That’s a good message. And with the crypto thing, I think, actually using them is something that we need to I guess do if we want to have that community aspect with them. Think Manero and all those other coins. I mean, there are big fan and others like pirate chain, for example. start accepting them and using them to pay people that you’re doing work with or receive it, right? Because that’s the that’s the that’s the big goal of having these actually being a utility rather than an investment. Like, yeah, it could really increase in value in dollar terms. I don’t see that. But only because if it does exponentially grow like Mineiro flipped, but a Bitcoin where I’ve heard a few times. Yeah, surely, surely that won’t be allowed, right. And then basically, I just see an outright banning of privacy coins, in my opinion. But it doesn’t mean that the we can we can stop using them, we’ll continue to use them. But it’s definitely the utility that matters is basically using it to pay and receive. And we could use use this to have a sort of counter economy. I think that’s that’s a big solution that we can use. Now, is that is that something that you agree on? Potentially?

I would, I would, I don’t know. You’re right. If they if it does like that, I’ll see how they would let it flip Bitcoin and go up in price. I don’t know if they can control it. But I know that more people own it more people use it, the more value it has. If they want to do small transactions with that, I just don’t understand how they would enforce not using it. Yeah. They don’t know if it’s nowhere it’s at?

George Papp 28:02
Yeah, I think the only place the way they will ban it is centralized exchanges, which they’ve started to do anyway. Most not most people won’t have the nows or won’t want to look into actually finding it elsewhere, or won’t care that much to go and buy Mineiro from like some random decentralized exchange. But I think for people like us and people who want to use it as utility, I think, you know, we’ll still be able to find it. There’s always going to be ways around that. But yeah, I think it’s sort of a

Chris R 28:34
think about it, we’re we’re still in the infancy of it. I mean, we may not even live to see it, you know, but there’s kids growing up learning code, and how many decentralized exchanges can they make so many, so many? Shut one down, build another one, shut one down, build another one. And it just word gets around? They’d have to shut down the internet? And I don’t know if they’re ever going to do that. But they could definitely do that.

George Papp 28:55
Yeah, I think there can be a potential hacker event where they pretend there’s a hack from Russia or whatever. And then they you know, blame it on that. And then they can then bring in when they bring it back up. They enforce a digital ID or something because of any role. Whoever uses it needs to be ID and whatever. I can see something like that happen. But we have decentralized web as well. And I’m thinking that there will be solutions in that space, too. I think that’s very early on right now.

Chris R 29:26
I don’t know much about the decentralized Web. I’ve heard about it, but could you tell me more?

George Papp 29:32
I am not too familiar with it. But I know that there is a decentralized web being created. I know that there’s decentralized protocols, which actually look into to actually have it on the blockchain. So basically, you can’t actually ID someone it’s going to be very difficult as a decentralized platform to actually stop it from moving and happening and stop people from using it. However, I think more people have to use it to make it work better. So I guess spreading that message is something that needs to happen both. I’ll definitely leave it in the show notes because I need to find the name of that particular protocol, or particular app, basically, that I know something’s been built by looked at it about two years ago, and I haven’t revisited it. But that’s definitely something I’ll put in the show notes. Because it is something that we should start using if we’re wanting to be sort of free online.

Chris R 30:30
Right. Right. And could you imagine a world where they shut down the internet? I mean, if they I don’t know about you, but I’m addicted to my phone. I’m addicted to this digital crack. And if they shut it down, I mean, everyone’s gonna walk out their house just like, whoa, hey, what’s your name? I don’t know. I’ve only been living next to you for five years. Never met you before. Oh, hi. And let’s have a barbecue go. Awesome. Here’s a beer. Great. Let’s go back to the 90s. Baby. Cheers. You know, I mean, yeah,

George Papp 30:57
to be honest, like this stuff, this stuff has its good points for spreading messages and, and, you know, having conversations from, you know, distances and making a community from far. But the negatives, I think do outweigh the positives, in my opinion. I actually feel like I can live off grid right now. And just basically grow my own food, decentralize the food, decentralize the power. And let’s be honest, that’s how we probably should live. In my opinion. We’ve just outsourced all of our lives basically, like everything, food, water, just, everything’s outsourced. And we will let someone else do it. And what happens is the centralization causes these issues, and this is where he asked. So if rice centralize and start becoming autonomous, again, this is a massive solution. And that’s what I’m aiming for. I’m trying to live off grid myself as well.

Chris R 31:49
Right? I mean, back into like, the 60s and 70s. I think the kids could graduate high school, being a plumber, being electrician, knowing how to build a house. I don’t know anything about that stuff, man. I mean, like I said, I just outsource that here. I pay somebody to do that. And I don’t need to learn it myself. So I really know nothing. It’s once you get to that, like you want to get wise enough to know that you don’t know that’s wisdom. Like I don’t know. You go down the rabbit holes like I really don’t know anything this is especially when you get into flatter, expand, don’t even we’re talking about but oh my gosh. Oh my gosh, I never even thought about that. Like you’re crazy. I’m gonna laugh at you. Well, what? What I was programmed to laugh at that. Oh, I didn’t think about that. So to go back to, you know, getting away from negative energies and stuff like that, like program your mind because everything you think you have original thought we don’t. We don’t. I’m making this podcast. Why? Because I’ve seen other people do it. So I got the idea to do it. You know, I didn’t you don’t like Taco Bell. You don’t like McDonald’s, you’re told like McDonald’s to this little screen here. And then you like it, then you eat it. And it’s everything, everything, everything. So program your mind with anything that can propel you forward in life. Like I’m a, I’ve studied NLP for since 2013 to 2018 for five years. I’m an NLP practitioner. I know how to program the subconscious mind in order to achieve an outcome. It’s really scary stuff. It’s weird. It’s like fairy dust. I don’t do it too much anymore. But you’re always doing it, you’re always you’re always manifesting in with with the mind. And if you can program yourself with like, some good motivation in the morning, set the tone for the day, set your thoughts, right, and good things will come to you. But people are programmed with television. And when the internet came out, I was like, why are we watching television we have the internet. This is so cool. I love watching people with their crappy content talking about whatever’s going on in their life so much better than like, you know, Third Rock from the Sun or Simpsons or whatever programming they’re gonna give me and throw down my throat. You know, it’s not the show’s it’s doing. I mean, the shows are but their television is made for advertising. They put you in a trance during the show. And then boom cuts advertising, you need to buy this, you need to get this. I used to write down like types of commercials, they would they would tell me and by the end of the show, it’s pretty much telling me, you know, hey, I need to go buy this car and eat this and have this and be able to buy that. And you’d see like the people in the room. They’d get hungry after the show. I call him Anna wants some of that. Wow, they just advertised that to you five times in the last 30 minutes and you’re hungry for that you think that’s your own thought? You think you’re thinking that you really sure you’re hungry for that? Yeah. Okay.

George Papp 34:29
Yeah, it’s so deep. It really is.

Chris R 34:31
Yeah. It’s like I can’t tell people the truth unless it’s on the screen. So I’ll try to tell people that income taxes, blah, blah, but I’ll make a video about it. Let them watch the video and go Oh, wow. It takes the video. Like are you kidding me? Is it the flicker? Right? I don’t know.

George Papp 34:46
Yeah, I think the only way to have your own thoughts is like to seriously disconnect. Yeah, be silent. sit in silence. And that’s why it’s so important like this sort of, if it’s meditation, or if it’s like just walking in nature on your own But just do something like that. Even if it’s 1020 minutes a day, whatever, it really does make a difference. Like, you’ll start watching your thoughts. And you’ll be like, what? Like, what am I actually like? Is that Is that me? No. But if you’re, it’s not you because you’re actually seeing your thoughts. Like you’re actually looking at your thoughts, you’re seeing it move past. So you are not those thoughts. That’s the disconnect that you need to have. And I think to actually break out of it. So it’s really interesting. Yeah, I think that’s definitely something that you guys should should practice. If you haven’t already. This definitely helped me it sounds like it’s definitely helped you, Chris as well.

Chris R 35:36
Yeah, do you got to have like, different affirmations write it on your mirror, you know, goals that you want. I was like, when I was 22 years old, I was introduced to a leadership development organization that taught you long term thinking delay gratification, utilize the power of utilize the power of compounding. And what is the seventh wonder the world is compound interest, you know, invest, save 10%. And so they I went over to my mentors house and like, where’s your TV? And he’s like, I don’t have a television, I have a library. I’m like, Oh, okay. And like, what are all these, these these sayings, he would just put affirmations and he’d frame them. And he put them on his wall, like I have back here. I need to actually do that. But I write mine on my mirror. Like, I’m a millionaire. It’s possible to own a home, it’s possible to have another business, what kind of business do you want? You know, before I even started American debt slave, I put, I created the logo, and I put the logo right on the left side of my television, and I’m like, okay, maybe I’ll start that podcast someday, you know, but I kept looking and kept looking at it kept going until I started programming my own mind. And then I’m like, Okay, let me see what this can do. And then boom, like, Oh, interesting. Very, very cool. And I just decided to do that when Odyssey came about, and I’m like, okay, and they started kicking everybody off YouTube. I think I got almost 1000 subscribers on YouTube before they kicked me off. And I’m like, Okay, we’ll just move on over to Odyssey and just put some LBC on my channel and me up in the ranks and cool.

George Papp 37:03
Yeah, everyone who hasn’t checked Odysee, check it out alternative video platform. Obviously, you can’t censor on there. And it just works a lot better, and something to definitely look at. But yeah, my wife does that stuff as well. Those are sort of affirmations and writing stuff on the wall. At first, I was like, What the hell’s going on in this room? Like, it’s like, just pictures everywhere. There’s like writing on the mirrors. Yeah. But to be honest, at least half of the stuff that was written has happened. So yeah, I mean, I have to say it works for us as well. And just briefly, stuff that we’re doing hearsay, it does, it does have an impact. Yeah,

Chris R 37:46
it’s very strange how we broadcast and what we are broadcasting with our thoughts. I discovered when I was when I read the book, The Secret back in 2006. And I was living on my friend’s couch at 24 years old, not thinking I could ever have my own apartment and pay 750 a month. That’s just way too much money. I could never afford that. And lo and behold, I just like you know what, let me just put that up on there, even though I don’t believe it. And within like, a couple months later, someone called me up, Hey, you wanna get a two bedroom? This really nice place? And like, Fuck, yeah, really? I pay the same amount of rent here. Okay, cool. And then like, okay, it’s only 100 200 bucks for my own place. So I just moved into my own place after a year. And I’ve been here a while I just say, I’ve been trying to save up for a house, but the crypto market keeps going up and down, up and down. And business keeps going up and down. So I’m just happy to have a roof at this point right now with the economy.

George Papp 38:37
Yeah, man, I mean, people in their 30s back in like the 70s were able to like probably move to the second or third home. Yeah. Yeah. Now it’s like, I can’t get out of my mom and dad’s basement, basically is Yeah. Yeah, but we will be grateful for whatever happens. Chris, where can people find your work man?

Chris R 39:02
Are you can find me on Look up the American debt slave. If you want to join my telegram channel that link below is in the description below. Be part of the conversation if anyone wants to come on here and just have a conversation about what’s going on. Give their two cents about the world. See if you’re pulling up any miscellaneous codes on your phone. Just let’s have a discussion. Have some fun.

George Papp 39:26
Excellent. Chris, thank you very much for coming on. I look forward to potentially having you on in the future. Make sure you subscribe to the podcast so you don’t miss an episode. Share if you know someone who might be interested. Plus check out Yeah. Plus, check out the episode show notes for a link to crypto animus We aim to help you guys grow and preserve your wealth to have the potential to build away from the system. Also put all the links of Chris’s material in the show notes as well. So definitely check that out. Peace and love to you all. Thanks for listening.

Chris R 39:57
Take care. Thanks for having me.

George Papp 39:58
Take care, Chris.

Interview with Dr Robert Morse: Highway to Health with Naturopathy and Fruitarianism

George Papp 0:08
Hi, welcome to the Conscious Renegade Podcast with me George Papp, helping you to be the change you wish to see in the world.

Today, we’re joined by Dr. Robert Morse, who is a board certified and accredited naturopathic physician, a biochemist and herbalist. He is the founder of a naturopathic clinic, a herb pharmacy, and a school of detoxification, we’ll be discussing alternative health to live a healthier and ultimately have happier life. Also, on our side for strategies to preserve and grow your wealth ahead of the Great Reset and increase your privacy, music, crypto animus, our basic subscription is as little as $10 per month. So, you know, that is very little really in regards to inflation currently. So, you know, a lot of information comes out of there. We have newsletters, live webinars with our experts, trade calls and current investments that we’re looking at. So please check that out. And yeah, just avoid getting destroyed by the coming economic collapse. So Rob, thanks for joining. How’s it going?

Robert M 1:31
Oh, superb, busy, crazy, you know, just that the world at large, just like you said, survival, helping people to survive in their health issues, but also their spiritual issues.

George Papp 1:44
Yeah, and I think health is a massive topic for the last couple years. So this is obviously quite relevant. And a lot of people would want to hear your thoughts on not really the problem, but solutions on on how to be healthier, and to raise that vibration like you you’re into, as well. So it’ll be interesting to get your thoughts on that. So I guess let’s go straight in. I think the first thing we want to sort of talk about is your story, because how did you even get into this space that everyone who’s in this space has an interesting story to tell? I’m sure. So yeah, just go through your guess how you got to where you are now?

Robert M 2:25
Well, I was a young lad. 20 years old, I was building my first house, I wanted to build a house by myself by hand. And so at that time, I was just I’ve always been interested in the lone state, not realizing what that meant. I’ve always interested in that, which is the unknown, right. And so I would always push myself and hikes and things to go deep into forests and stuff like that. So I decided to let it all go and go out to live in the woods. That’s what I did. I lived in the woods in a both wagon van and just ate fruit. I got some books from friends about raw foods and took off from there. The same time someone threw down and f1 car book touches book on I think, either in my soul and free or the Tigers thing. I think it was a tiger spirit. It was a description of all the god worlds, you know, how that how this level of creations put together? And I’m thinking, man, absolutely. You know, if you have to leave your body when you die, why can’t you leave your body before that? I mean, why what’s keeping you into the body, of course, you’re not the body. And so that’s started a journey about out of body travels. And you know, a lot of years of traveling and teaching how to have out of body travel. And suddenly, this voice came into my beingness out of nowhere, said, Who’s the traveler, my friend, who’s the traveler? And so that started me on the journey of awakening, I got a hold of Jai Krishna Murthy stuff, which is a excellent author and teaching you how to stop thinking, you know, the whole thing is the mind the mind obviously creates creation. It is the split of duality, from consciousness to duality. You have to understand that and how the mind works. And then it’s simply a computer. And if you live in your mind, you’re living from thought to thought to thought. And that is an extremely restricted lifestyle, because you can’t see anything around you. And in you. So wakening up is vital. For those that are ready for that for others.

George Papp 4:42
They’re gonna keep spinning. Keep spinning until the next time

Robert M 4:45
yeah, well, you know what, we create everything, everything in your life, you create yourself. You realize it or not, somewhere along your journey in creation, you created this and you’re now experiencing it. So like Buddha said, like go, who cares anymore? Sit under the tree for 20 years ago, you know, when I’m done sitting under a tree for 20 years. So it’s just, it’s just the process of wakening up. But that process is a mind you have to learn that thoughts are just your activity in creation.

George Papp 5:17
Yeah, and I had that same experience, going into going into the forests or going for walks into nature, it kind of allows you to switch off your mind. Just to take in the scenery, right. And I think that’s a massive, massive thing that someone can include in their lives, to actually just spend an hour or even half an hour just going into the into nature at some point in your day. Because being constantly online or constantly on in the city, even if you’re in the city, there are parks, I know, it’s not as easy, but there are options. And yeah, definitely take advantage of that. Because I know that changed everything for me. And I’m sure and and also you. So yeah, so I guess let’s move to health. And obviously, I’ve been following your YouTube channel, what foods what foods? Do you sort of promote for health? What sort of diets I guess we don’t need to call it diet, but what sort of foods do you promote? And I guess why, as well, why are they promoted? And What effects do the other options, let’s say, effect, if you’re doing intake,

Robert M 6:30
you know, back in the back when I got started on raw foods, I got a hold of the natural hygienic material, Herbert Shelton and all that. And there was a fasting clinic Shelton Bassick clinic just about 30 miles away from me. So I would go there in a nature path granted, of course, and there you fasted for however long it took to change the coating on your tongue, so to speak. So there was a lot into the raw foods, but then there was one or two outstanding Authors about fruitarianism. And I just suck that right up because we are frugivores as a Homo Sapien. So when I came doctorate, and all that started going down the road writing books and things and I brought in the comparative difference of the four basic vertebrae, take a look at the difference between the frugivores, herbivore and omnivore and carnivore, and they’re distinctly different and for obvious reasons. Their jaws moved differed, you know, some have paws, hooves, you got a whole line of and I took all this work to two veterinarians and said prove me wrong. And the female came back and said, you know, can I add pigs to omnivores? I said I forgot the pigs. But looking at the different species, it’s obvious that we’re frugivores we do not handle other foods well. So to that point, I’ve got a site called Dr. Morris TV on that site is a video we did on tissue regeneration. And I have a lot of different stories that are take a look at what I did on just fruit and regenerating a toe regenerating neurological conditions, regenerating a young lad who had his brain smashed a lot of broken body parts. And what we did just with the fruit diet and using some botanical side so the power of the fruit is is very important to understand a man doesn’t understand that he’s lost in sugars and proteins and just crap like that doesn’t understand anything. Medical is not about health anyone. And they’re stumbling on their own ignorance when they tried to tell anybody wanting. They have no clue about health, vibration energy, not just nutrition. There’s no bottom line is magnetic energy, stuff like that consciousness. And that’s the food you’re eating and chemistry are consuming. So there’s a lot of unawareness around fruit, fructose, glucose, simple sugars of life, there’s just a lot of confusion and everybody’s loading up on protein. Well, goodbye kidneys and goodbye bowels. So they get it’s just a lot of misunderstanding and you move to a place where you can have irata right there. You got fruit all over the place. I went on strictly oranges. I found a grove of navel oranges that were obviously a little help from the outer worlds. These were unbelievable. They were as big as grapefruits. To eat one you would go almost into ecstasy. It was that incredible. And I lived on it for almost a year exclusively.

George Papp 9:41
Basically on oranges?

Robert M 9:42
Nothing else, Oh man, I couldn’t. But the problem with that is that the energy if you’re an out of body travel or the energy can be so intense and you just can’t, you don’t sleep and you can’t stay in the physical body. So I had to actually come out Brown. I had to come out and eat vegetables and stuff like that. And my body hurt a long time to get used to it, but it finally got used to it. It helped me to stay grounded here.

George Papp 10:09
Some some arguments want to get your opinion on on this because even some guys in the alternative health space they eat a variety of food, including being carnivore, let’s say, and they they promote organic. But what are your thoughts on the fact that you know? Because they basically have stated, there’s been an argument out there that, you know, people can’t last on vegan diets because they’re all or fruitarian, let’s say, because they are they become weak and they get, you know, they actually have protein. What’s your thoughts on that? Because I know, that’s an opinion,

Robert M 10:49
you’re definitely that’s far from true. Some of the things people don’t understand is that when you start going on a raw food diet, you’re eliminating stimulants, you’re eliminating a huge part of acid ash foods, which act as stimulants. So you go from being dehydrated and acidified to being hydrated and alkalis. So you’re moving from a chaotic state, a state of, like I said, dehydration and things where the body’s stiff and tight and full of water and stuff to a hydrated energetic level. And you can get your body to some of these levels where you can’t see the energy is so powerful, that you just you can’t protect yourself. For those that do get fatigued there’s a problem. And that problem is called the sheer adrenal glands. And most people have at least subacute. And I would say at least 70% of humans have chronic adrenal glands. Well, that’s your neurotransmitters for the autonomic. And so when you go on a non stimulating non mucus forming diet, living food, electrical diet, you all these stimulants are then eliminated. And these stimulants are called acids or proteins, and the body starts eliminating things. But then everything goes down, you’re lose that edemic stimulation and everything, and you can get really fatigued has nothing to do with the diet you’re on whatsoever, it has to do with your genetic stance of your adrenal glands, and your pituitary. So there’s a lot people don’t understand where you’re driving your car, down the road to health that you’re going to take that your body’s gonna go through to get at the biggest issue is elimination and what the body has to eliminate. And so you’ve got to go through things, and then that is the genetic stance of the thyroid or the adrenals, whatever tissues you’re talking about, you got to look at the genetic awareness of those tissues, at what level are they function, because cells start to puncture. So in that process of getting well, yeah, people can look down vegetarianism, you know, all those things are kind of jokes in the sense that you’re still eating grains, you’re still eating beans, you’re still eating high proteins, and got to get away from the proteins, we are not a high protein species, and precise wrong word, use amino acids. And when you look at the fruit, the structure of our fruit is fairly simple, has full of amino acids for the HomoSapiens structure. When you get into your vegetables, vegetables are not for humans. Take a look at the herbivores. You’ve got elephants, you’ve got horses, we raised horses, we are farmers, of course, we had horses all over the place. Cows, elephants, all these animals, they have huge muscles. So they need more amino acids. Well vegetables do have more amino acids. But getting someone that doesn’t need more amino acids. Now you bring in the factor of acidification. And that’s where you run into problems. When you compact amino acids. Now you’re into your punking structures, and your body has to tear those apart before they can even use it. So there’s a lot to understand when you’re looking at health. There’s a lot of misinformation out there and lies that are probably industry, the marketplace. You know,

George Papp 14:13
I’ve noticed over the last 10 years, probably longer actually, like they’re really they do promote a lot of protein out in the stores and you know, they’ll have chocolate with protein and stuff. Yeah, and it kind of makes

Robert M 14:28
your mother’s milk doesn’t even show you that you don’t have any place in nature showing you that not even in human mother’s mouth, not even in an herbivore mother’s mouth. So they’re way off point.

George Papp 14:43
Yes. Interesting. So I guess moving to what sort of detox and fasting protocols can can people do? I know this is something that people do quite often now is sort of detox and do this for a short period of time. I mean, what are you what do you think? and cough sort of water fasts and I know you promote grape juice fasts as well. What are you, what’s your sort of protocols to that you swear by and what you promote?

Robert M 15:10
Alright, so depends on a couple of things. First of all, it depends upon the individual, obviously, and where they’re at in their health issues. I’m facing a female with five babies, that’s got tumors all through her, she’s going on a great diet like yesterday, because it is the most electrical, the most hydrating. And it has an imbalance of astringents. And that’s key factor. Generally people with years ago would go on like the Stanley burls, lemon juice diet, the master cleanser diet, so to speak, pretty acidic, pretty strong, especially with someone highly depleted. So the grape is the most electrical, in my opinion with that without the high acids like the lemons and some of the grapefruits and stuff. Even though those acids all develop into an awkward time, it’s still you know, hard on, hard on the mouth and stuff. Outside of that water fasting, if I’ve got a tumor, here’s the gig, you have to understand a system that no one understands on this planet except us. And I hate to say that’s not I don’t mean to be narcissistic. This is the great lymphatic system. You don’t understand that system. You think there’s diseases, you think there’s microbial problems, you live in the world of all a pathway, which doesn’t know anything about anything. So they made up this idea of diseases, and of course, that Rockefeller germinating that theory. And then the germ theory, of course, which is ridiculous, that shows you more of what you don’t understand about nature and bacterium and fungus and stuff like this, and what their journey is. Tell ya, you have to understand a lot more about what nature is and what it does, it might surprise medical is just lost in the mind somewhere in academics that they’ve gotten lost. They’ve lost their basic foundation of the two sides of chemistry. And you got to understand the nature of chemistry or you don’t understand squat and then you have to understand how does your body deal with each side of chemistry and understanding that leaves you in the blood and lends blood is the kitchen lymphatic is your sewer system. Immune System. A lot of people think your blood is your immune system. No, no, no, no, no your sewer system, your lymphatic system is your main immune system. And that you have to understand and that’s tied to the kidneys, your kidneys and your skin are your eliminating organs or cellular waste from 100 trillion cells. You know, the one thing that medical doctors can ask answer you is how the body eliminates the catalytic acids or waste. How do you get rid of cellular waste? You don’t dump them in the blood don’t go that way. That’s that’s that can’t do that. You’re dead in a minute. So how does the body do that? And they keep looking at this system the lymphatic system and they just keep going over it. Even the top scientists when I was attending this, some international lymphatic symposium just stupid. Just stupid, stupid, stupid stuff. I understand your kidneys are major players your right kidney drains your right side of your body, your left kidney the left side and you could have one kidney not filtering like the other one. You have tumors on one side, the other side real good. All kinds of problems like that. So filtration pee in a jar look at your urine if there if it’s clear, you’re in trouble. Nobody uses the bathroom and expects to see clear water coming out of the sewer pipes.

George Papp 18:48
Well, because my in my opinion, it was like, you know, if you pee clear, you’ve done a good amount of water and you’re already clear. So go into that a bit more? I guess so. So yeah, I guess go into that a bit more now. How that changes things.

Robert M 19:09
Ask me about my journey. So you’re living in a Volkswagen van. You don’t have any room. So when you got to pee, I had a little jar of course or there was a little sink thing this Volkswagen van and so I’d set the jar up on the sink and you know not think much about it get up in the morning and I’d see the sediment on the bottom of my urine. I go oh, man, I got some stuff out. I didn’t think you know, medically that urine should be clear, because that’s wrong. But I didn’t even think about it because I didn’t know anything about that. And each day I look at it and I test about how deep Am I getting cleaning out of my body to what how much sediment I would see in there. Well, later on I got my doctorate so by biochemistry and all that I’m starting to look at bloodwork, urine analysis and I’m looking at all this and I keep seeing all these your analysis Clear. Clear, and I’m going clear to you and shouldn’t be clear. As time went on, it just dawned on me just where the problem is advanced lack of understanding of how the body eliminates this. And of course, that leads you into the skin integrity system, that gigantic system and into the thyroid for that in the adrenals for the kidneys. So now you’re into the windows that deal with the organs. And now you’re into a system of elimination. As you have a system of consumption and electrification and where you get your ATP, ADP ANP, all those beautiful things. You also have a system to get rid of waste. So when you look at cells interstitially around the cell, you have about 80% lymph fluid about 20% blood.

George Papp 20:42
Wow, it’s it’s definitely something for you guys to do and research on. And then definitely check out Dr. Robert Moses stuff to look into that a bit more deeper. So yeah, definitely do your own research obviously, but it’s interesting. It’s definitely interesting to hear that. That’s new for me as well. So definitely do some research on that

Robert M 21:01
Vital because I’m facing someone with tumors. And I’ve got kidneys not filtering, those tumors are not going anywhere but growing. Because the body keeps metabolizing, and they can’t get rid of its waste. So it pockets. Once you get the kidney filter, boop, there goes the tumor. Gone.

George Papp 21:19
Wow. Very interesting. Very interesting. We touched upon germ theory versus terrain, as well, we didn’t mention terrain. But for those out there who maybe don’t understand or haven’t heard of this, this these theories before just touch upon, I guess the difference. And you know, obviously germ theory is what is in the mainstream accepted. So yeah, just to go into the alternative. And yeah, I guess compare the two and what your thoughts are.

Robert M 21:52
People are afraid of bacterium and all types. There’s no question. There’s worms, fruits, all kinds of things that people get in and we get out at home, you know, and people some people have tapeworms in them and pinworms and hookworms and crap like that. So you know, we do, we do things like that. But nature has to keep itself clean, you have several laws of nature that are important to understand. One of them is that the strong survive the weaker consumed. And this is true cellularly. Okay, so when you look in the body, when the cell is weakened or damage, it’s through the lymph system that damage that blood can damage the cell unless it stops going to work. The only thing that can damage the cell is cids. On the acid side of chemistry, you look in the physiology of the body, and that comes that is dumped into the lymphatic system. So when the lymphatic system becomes stagnant, the blowback is called inflammation. When it’s intracellular, that’s when you start to see the mutation of the cell. Well, then you have macro, you have an immune cells, taking it out of tissue to the lymph nodes, where then you have the macrophages. But then you have one other thing in your lymph nodes that’s vital. And that’s called bacteria. bacterium break down these three pH, cellular acids. When you feel pain, you’re feeling a Coca Cola, three pH, whether it’s in your joint or liver, or wherever it is, all these acids that you’re feeling when you feel pain, or arthritis or whatever, that’s three pH. And so the bacteria in your lymph nodes, all these wastes are supposed to go to the lymph nodes, bacteria break them up or down, however, you want to look at it to six or so that way you’re not on your knees peeing. Those that have taken a lot of antibiotics, of course, have systemic acidosis big time. So then you’re in the RAS that lupus is the light, they start blaming everything else, chips and everything else on systemic acidosis. When in fact, they’ve contributed big time taking antibiotics, that’s not the way to do that. You know, and if you have a tear in your skin and your lymphatic systems back up, you’re out food, because your bacterium is there to break down waste. We live in a created universe. And this universe is a LEGO Universe that Legos are called atoms. So we need atoms for anything. If someone gets pregnant lady gets pregnant out there and wants to have a baby. Where do you get the atoms to make your baby from doesn’t come out of thin air? How do you get the liver or the pancreas to grow? Where do you get the atoms for all of this? We live in a created universe all the atoms are here that’s ever been here. So what’s up with that? So then that’s why you see birth, life and death. That’s where you see things that have to come and go. And that’s because we need those atoms for new things that are coming. But it’s also why you see the destruction of important things that we need. But it gets you got to learn the balance of that man does has no clue on how this world works. Because religions have stifled his awareness his/hers.

George Papp 25:03
Yeah. So touching on, on those issues that people have, what protocols? And what, what have you sort of seen and what cures? Have you? You know, what people have you helped and in what certain issues? And how has how have you even done that? And what results have you seen?

Robert M 25:24
I’ll back it up backwards for you. There’s nothing we haven’t cured. I mean, there’s anybody that can’t cure themselves even of genetic weaknesses, we do genetic remembering your body does that. And it’s understanding that when you’re consuming food, you’re consuming living consciousness. And there’s a lot more than just nutrition that the body is getting out of this food. Man doesn’t get that yet, because he hasn’t developed his awareness to understand that plants have a mind and have emotions, anything that exists physically has to come down through these realms. And they take on these bodies just like humans do. And so when you even if you have an entity at your doorstep, that doesn’t have a physical body to it, or appearance of that, you have the same body, that entity dies, you just don’t know it. And so you can’t have fear when some of these things come about. So I forget where I was. Your microbes now here’s another problem, I want to say real quick on the microbe thing, fungus. So many people are full of fungus. And that’s because we ferment. People combine their foods wrong. If you eat protein and starch at the same meal. No, that’s wrong, you’re gonna break your digestion, fast digesting foods that say watermelon on top of oatmeal or watermelon even on top of a salad, you’re gonna have fermentation of sugars. The average human is an alcoholic. People don’t realize that, but the average isn’t alcoholic by way of his diet. I got so many cases to show you where people were actually arrested after they ate this way for DUIs. And so the problem is that when you do this, then you invite the fungal community and plus on top of that we like fungal foods. We like fermented foods, we like cheeses, breads, you know, beer, all this thing. So people bitch about having bodies full of fungus, which leaves uric acid by the way. It’s just a never ending cycle. So to get rid of that, you have to also look at the way you eat combination your eating, and your adrenal glands. Are you metabolizing your sugars because if you’re not metabolizing sugars, these guys will be happy to help.

George Papp 27:40
I guess going back to the previous question, what, what, like issues and diseases or you know what issues let’s say with what protocols,

Robert M 27:53
okay, so when you are give it out there you got if you do a fruit in the morning, a salad at lunch and a fruit at night, and you go on an herbal program that addresses your kidneys, your lymphatic system, getting up your endocrine glands cleaning up your GI tract. You could probably cure almost anything except neurological. When it comes to neurological weaknesses like MS, Parkinson’s, Lou Gehrig’s, you have to be 100% fruit. I don’t think I’ve ever found a cure any of those cases, we have a couple of Parkinson’s cases that they’re on sentiment and just worse than cocaine, difficult for them to break it. But outside of that Lou Gehrig’s, I’ve never failed on a Lou Gehrig’s case. And in fact, there’s a couple of them up on that PV site show you but the issue is electrical. And I’ll give you one case and this was an MS case, she was highly advance, constant that back at ambulance brought her to my clinic. Stiff solid. And so MS. So I put her just on fruit and herbs, of course to get in and out, open it up. And in two and a half months. She’s sitting up she’s wheeling herself. And she’s feeding herself because she had a full time care caregiver. So then I’m saying honey you’re so thin I got to put some muscle on you. And of course I’m thinking of amino acids. I work with Mr. Olympia and I also have a lot of trainers of Mr. Olympia. So we work with body builders, and so on, then I gotta get some greens in you. I gotta get because I’m gonna try to build some muscle fairly quick. So she can, you know, wrong thinking. So when I put her on greens, guess what happened to her. She couldn’t move anymore. She went back to being prone and stiff again. And so I realized the difference of angstroms of the difference of electromagnetic energy anyway of a fruit versus a vegetable is huge. So there’s about 4000 electrical units if you want whatever you want to call it difference between a living vegetable and a living fruit. 4000 I’ll call it angstrom even though it’s not accurate, that is A tremendous amount of that’s almost as much as some humans operate. So it’s a tremendous difference of electromagnetic energy into your two nervous systems. And that is a big deal because it is electrical but it’s also conscious electrical. And so then you start rebuilding the myelin sheath you start working on on the endocrine glands and then people get up and walk. And we do that all the time. And in fact we give you a case of guys parachute didn’t know but hit the water about 8080 85 pretty broken up quad out of that he’s now running and have a great life. So it these type of cases are all over the world like that. But you can regenerate anything for the medical doctor can’t regenerate nothing, because that wrong thinking if you don’t understand what causes something, how do you know how to fix it? This isn’t there and see if it’ll stick on the wall. That’s my pharmaceuticals are deadly or very injuring crap, it’s might stick on the wall temporarily, but it all falls off.

George Papp 31:03
Yeah, that’s the that’s the overriding thing. And we, it seems like there’s just a common knowledge of it seems like the doctors and medical industry just patch over. They don’t actually solve the actual root cause they don’t know where that is or where it comes from. They just

Robert M 31:19
mind. That’s because their minds are trained. Remember, the mind is your computer. It’s trained to look at life through the window of diseases, which is a fallacy. And that’s why you have to be careful who’s controlling your mind. And that’s why I break the thought and get to awareness. And then you can control who controls your mind.

George Papp 31:41
Not many people question Who were they actually what they study? Like now, they just say, okay, they’ve gone through seven years of medical school, they must know, you know, everything right? Yeah. But no one questions, the books and the information they read, you

Robert M 31:55
know, and if, you know, an a&p books are so much wrong information in a&p books, I practice, what I have here is taught right now at major universities, Medical University. And it says there’s no lymphatic system in the brain. Absolutely none. The University West Virginia two of them about four years ago. So there’s so much misinformation. But if you if you did discover the lymphatic system, what is it? What is it therefore, one medical doctor finally said when he read that, about the lymphatic system, he said, you know, finally, we’re trying to understand how the body gets rid of a catalytic waste. And that’s the only intelligent conversation I’ve ever heard come out of any medical doctor related to the lymphatic system. Like we were talking earlier, some of these symposiums of the lymphatic system are ridiculous medically, you know, they Okay, this one lady researcher can now remove a lymph node out of a healthy area into where they removed the lymph node before this highly lymphedeic. They’re working on doing that. And I’m thinking how stupid is this lady, all this money, she’s going to take a lymph node out of other tissue. Now, a lymph node is a septic tank. And if you don’t want a septic tank is that’s where your sewage goes into from your house. And each lymph node feeds a lot of houses. So there’s a lot of cells in your body, for example, under your arm, your lymph node bed, your axillary lymph node bed, feed your breasts, your chest area, and your lungs, get that messed up. And guess what you get tumors in your lungs and tumors in your breasts. So you it’s just understanding this whole, you know, lymphatic system and back that there’s something they just don’t understand. And that we do, and that’s what makes nature pass. But not all naturopaths understand it, either. It’s just something I brought out so many years ago, and all you students have been following me for years and our classes and stuff. You’re, you’re using those techniques and curing people on some amazing. We have housewives that had to quit being housewives and go open up healing centers because they were healing so many people. Don’t over think simplicity. Simplicity is how you get to complexity. Complexity can get you lost. Yeah, and it’s simple, sweetheart.

George Papp 34:22
Yeah. And also going from going back to you mentioned under the armpit, right, and people are spraying them, spraying them up with all sorts of chemicals, right. And I found that out three years ago, too. So I mean, now I don’t use anything I mean, I use natural and I have to see what the ingredients are in them well lemon or whatever, just to have that you know, not use these sorts of these chemicals under there because it’s like you said there is important important cells and important like you said lymph nodes under there. So there’s always a reason for everything.

Robert M 34:58
The thing is if you stink, you got to detoxify yourself, you got too much protein in you, you, you’re eating dead animals, or whatever, but you don’t want to stink. You don’t need underarm deodorant. If you do, you’re too toxic, you got to move your lymph system because the seriousness of this is, is once these lymph nodes get hardened, you’re in trouble and the tissues all in the chest area. And like I said, in the lung area, and you know, fair warning, this lymph system is serious, you know, blood will kill you right off, right lymphatics will kill you slowly and very painfully. So it’s just understanding a sewer system, and how that sewer system uses the kidneys and the skin as they’re eliminating organs. Or you’ll see it ooze out in your skin, and you’ll get psoriasis, eczema, all kinds of stuff. If your skin can eliminate, take a look at what you get from that. I’ll give you an example. If you forget to if you have a little baby just come from the hospital. Yeah. But you know, and everything. You’re just learning how to change diapers and everything you forget to change the diaper in a timely manner. So then you take the diaper off, my God, there’s a watch a red rash, what sided chemistry created that and that’s from urine, okay, so you have to understand acids have to get out of the body or they burn back. Acids burn you. Here’s a good example. Any lady with endometriosis has to be careful because in surgeries, the in the lymph is so acidic that it welds that the uterus to the bowel walls. That’s common. So these acids are very serious, and they’re burning a lot of people up. And that’s just the nature of the beast. So to stop that you have to get on the other side of chemistry. And there’s foods are divided up into two categories, either alkaline forming, which is hydrating electrical, that’s your fruits, berries, melons and your vegetables. Everybody else pretty much I mean, you could argue quinoa, millet. Every everything else, every grain been dead animal, pasteurized dairy products are on the acid side of chemistry. They steal your electrolytes, they steal your energy, they don’t give you energy. So when your diet is predominantly meat, potatoes and breads or whatever, I don’t know how people have energy, because none of that has any energy to give you back and getting it to ATP is much more difficult.

George Papp 37:31
So what with all that being said, we’ve got guys here on who are listening I’m sure that I guess live, let’s say in quote unquote normal diets, let’s say, what first step can they take to maybe move into this type of health?

Robert M 37:50
Well, the firs thing, or the first thing I would do my for ages, I would go to a breakfast, a break fast from the night before and change it to all fruit. So change that first, then your nightly meal. You don’t want to go to bed with dead animal tissue and all that crap in your gut. So your nightly meal should probably be either a salad we recommend a fruit meal. Now your lunch, you can have a salad you could have a salad a piece of fish on it or a piece of chicken if you if you’re a meat eater. If not, you’re gonna have steamed vegetables or some vegetables on the side. You can get your cooked in there if you want it and then still have a nice salad dressings. You know, don’t use anything creamy and milky. You don’t want mucus in your sinuses and your lungs don’t do milk and creams and yogurts and stuff like that they’re all mucus forming extremely. So you can start out that way. If you were to dig in, then go do that for a couple of weeks. Look at what Dr. Oz, Dr. Oz a medical doctor, he took 12 people to the zoo, anatomy monkey called Monkey food, which monkey food is fruits. However, they had vegetables and stuff like that. And so all their stats, their high blood pressures came down, the cholesterol came down and all that in two weeks. Big time obvious. Now, take it a step further and get rid of the vegetables and you’re off onto a major detox. It’s your body doing it. You’re giving it the power you’re giving it the astringent, you’re giving it all the chemistry the flavinoids, everything it needs to then detoxify itself and brother, hang on because your sinuses are going to dump your mucus out of your lungs. You’re going to cough that up. You’re gonna see mucus in your stools coming out of the bowel walls. I mean, you’re gonna see a lot coming out of you, tumors are gonna start going down. Things like that.

George Papp 39:47
Interesting because people would be, let’s say scared to start this type of diet because they may think that either especially maybe if you’re doing training and stuff and you’re a fitness guy, you You’re not getting enough calorie or you’re not getting enough. I know you’re we mentioned protein, but you’ve worked with, you know, people who do fitness and then you know, into that sort of thing and it works for them? It works for them pretty well?

Robert M 40:14
I have an ex-pro ex-Mr. Olympia. And he’s good. He’s writing a book on that on the industry of bodybuilding. And it’s, it’s hair raising to know what all is going on in that industry to be honest with you. The big problem in that industries RA, the arthritis is the loss of connective tissue, blowing rectums, losing muscles, you know, things like that. The problem with that is proteins, again, you cannot pump proteins and keep your kidneys and keep the body away from acidosis you can’t do. So you’ve got to go to amino acid blends, which is your greens. So I have powdered green blends for these guys that have you know, alfalfa, you know, your spinaches and stuff like this. But still a little fruit and a few little things. I use a couple of little things like velvet antler in the top bodybuilders stuff like that, to strengthen, because one of the hardest things if you build muscle with protein, easy to go away. And then of course you’re acidifying your lose your kidneys, then your lymph system comes back up. And then everything you start getting the RAS rheumatoid arthritis. And you just see tons of body builders with the joints out there. Here I’ve got a ton of them that used to come to my clinic. And it just, you can’t do it that way. And I’ve been preaching this for 50 years, you cannot use proteins to build yourself up. Gotta use amino acids. But then again, it’s all depends on your activity level. And what you want you can do, you can make your physical body do anything you want. If you want pure energy, however, you get away from thinking of calories and muscles and things like this, go into just a frugivore rich diet and hang on after the body gets through cleaning itself, the adrenals start rebuilding itself. Hang on, because your energy levels are about to shoot the moon. And we’ve got athletes right now breaking records, they just, it’s just amazing. When you remove the obstructions to the flow of energy. Imagine what that means. And you have three flows of energy in the human body, blood, nerve, and lymph. Get those flows of energy at their optimum. You can’t believe what they do.

George Papp 42:32
Just like Nikola Tesla said we’re energy right.

Robert M 42:37
Absolutely pure energy.

George Papp 42:38
Yeah, exactly. So say thank you very much. Rob. I mean, thank you very much for that, I think is some really great, valuable information for for the listeners out there. Thank you. I mean, where can people find your work? Where can people go visit your stuff and learn more?

Robert M 42:58
Okay, so we’ve got Dr. Morris TV. And of course we’re on all the channels, although YouTube’s kind of, I think I’m a shadow guy on YouTube now. Yeah, I talked about vaccine. I talked about the truth. Yeah, they of course, you know, we’re wearing and then I have a clinic here Dr. Morris, detox center. And so they can go even our main website is Dr. Morris herbal health club. And in that you’ve got the herbs, you got all kinds of things there and have fun with this. You learn about your kidneys, we have free, everything’s free. I’ve been teaching classes for 35 years, and I’ve been helping people for 50 So yeah, have fun,

George Papp 43:38
great experience. Oh, I’ll definitely include everything in the show notes. For sure for everyone to check out. So definitely do that. Yeah, so I guess make sure you guys subscribe and share the podcast on Spotify. Plus, obviously if you wanted to check out the Cryptonomous consulting in regards to saving your wealth during the Great reset from the banks are inevitably collapsing. Check it out forward slash members which will have all the all the details in regards to joining us. We obviously aim to help you grow and preserve that wealth as well. Again, I’ll add the stuff there. Dr. Robert Morse in the show notes and definitely check that out. Great stuff, Dr. Robert and yet peace and love to you all thanks for listening

Interview with Clive de Carle: Reclaiming Your Personal Health

George Papp 0:08
Hi, welcome to the conscious renegade podcast with me George Papp, helping you to be the change you wish to see in the world.

Today we are joined by Clive De Carle an independent health consultant, and also founder of The Secret health club. We’ll be discussing alternative health to free people from the pharmaceutical industrial complex and live a healthier, happier life. Also, just to let you know, guys, the Cryptonomous membership is now live. So feel free to check that out. We have monthly newsletters, live trade calls and investment tips that we’re looking at, to hedge against the great reset and definitely a hedge against inflation currently, so definitely check that out. So Clive, thanks for coming on. How’s it all going?

Clive De Carle 1:11
Thanks, George. Yeah, fantastic. Thank you very much.

George Papp 1:14
Thanks. And yeah, thanks for joining me, we actually haven’t had a health guy on yet. So you’ll be the first so it’s going to be interesting to discuss. There’s obviously a lot going on around health as well in the current sort of mainstream. So it will be great to get your insights, I guess first, the first sort of thing to look into is your own story, because I know you have such an interesting story. I was looking at your website, I know your work. And I sort of have an idea of your story. I guess to the listeners who haven’t heard your story. Yeah, just give them an insight of where your background is and how you’ve come to where you are today.

Clive De Carle 1:53
Okay, well, I’ll just start where I don’t normally start. When I was 10. In 1964, my dad introduced me to John Lennon. And this was life changing because a I was a big fan that be I thought the world was going to change for the better. I thought by 1967 that global peaceful revolution would happen and war would end and the world would be lovely. So I got quite shocked when that didn’t happen. And then when I was 11, I went fishing and it was in very clear water. And we had a bucket with a glass bottom so I could see the fish. And I was in little dingy and the person I was with had had a hook with a live maggot. Then dead maggot on I had one I didn’t want to put the maggot on the hook but he didn’t care. I dreaded catching a fish because I didn’t want to rip a nasty hook out of fish’s mouth. I really didn’t want to do that guy’s worth he didn’t care. He caught 20 fish. I caught none and want to catch one he wanted to got about 20 fish, because we could see what was going on. We see the hook with the maggot on it through the glass bottoms. Bucket. Every time we swap with swap fishing lines. And each time we swap the fish that are going crazy for his hook. So slowed right down. Then they saw that now he was holding one and zoom they went over and started in a frenzy wanting to be caught by him and all afternoon I couldn’t catch fish. He did. I caught sunstroke. He had fish for dinner. So then I went in, I was very entrepreneurial. I did a lot of different business stuff. And then I started a contact lens company. And we ended up selling it for an awful lot of money. And I retired and started an organic farm and but in the meat when I was about 31 I made a big mistake. I had some spots on my face because I was eating badly. And I stupidly went to a doctor who gave me an antibiotic and one antibiotic. A few months later I was in hospital, antibiotic poisoning. I’d become type one diabetic, or become arthritic. I got rheumatoid arthritis so badly, I couldn’t walk anymore. I couldn’t get dressed. I fingers wouldn’t work anymore. And I was in hospital for weeks and weeks and just getting worse and worse. And it was all terrible. And the doctor said, Well, there’s nothing we can do. But I was reading books while I was in hospital and I realized that the antibiotics have damaged my gut bacteria and I got wheeled out of the wheelchair and so they’re fixing myself with vitamins and minerals and a bit of a diet change. And all the arthritis went away and I’ve been fine 37 years since then, at least arthritis wise. And so when I sold the contact lens company, I thought oh what am I going to do with my life? And yes, I had no small organic farm but I wanted to do more. So I started studying health because not only that I got better, but I’ve seen somebody else 30 or 35 years ago, recover from cancer, which the doctor said was going to kill them, they started taking 35 grams of vitamin C every day, and didn’t die of cancer when they did die 20 years later, it was from something else. So by the way, if I talk about cancer, and spelling with a K, for legal reasons. And what I’m saying is not medical advice, because I’m not a doctor. I’m just a bloke that knows some stuff. And anything that I say, just check it out for yourself, you know,

they started censoring me in 2014, when I was working with UK column. And at that point, I had to take all my videos off YouTube. And I started a club called, where all the band videos are on with a lot of other people’s banned videos. And I used to see clients, but I don’t really do that much anymore. Because I’m busy doing other things. So all the information that I used to impart to people basically is in an A to Zed form on the secret health club. There’s much cheaper joining that than it is employing me for an hour. So in a tiny nutshell, that’s some of the things that I’ve been up to. And then, about 20 years ago or something, somebody said to me that you’re really good at talking, you should give talks. And that frightened me silly that the prospect of that because I was always the one at school, who was hiding at the back, you know, I never talked at school, never put my hand up, never participated and left on my 16th birthday as soon as I could escape. And then suddenly, I found that I liked studying, you know, who will afford and I liked education and talking to people and explaining things and helping them. And then about 20 years ago, I was working with a medical doctor, who was super interesting. He taught me masters, absolutely masters. And he was like a renegade doctor in some ways. And he told me that Nikola Tesla had invented healing devices in the 1890s. And he said, You should buy one. And my business partner, one of my business partners, just two days later said, Did you know that Tesla has invented a hearing device, you should buy one, and I tracked one down secondhand and bought one. And right away, the doctor and I were getting results. It was unbelievable. People coming out of pain and 20 years of pain or whatever coming out stuff like that. And so these days, my hotkey, so to speak is tracking down these old machines and restoring them and your practitioners sometimes buy them from the people occasionally buy them. And I’ve got a video online, where I get 34 people out of pain in a row with a piece of kit that was built 100 years ago.

George Papp 7:59
Wow. stuff. Yeah. I mean, I wasn’t aware that you could actually get your hands on these. I obviously was aware of them, obviously aware of the Tesla situation, but I was unaware that you could actually still find them.

Clive De Carle 8:15
I’ve got about six people around the world. You know, over the years, I’ve got to know everybody who’s interested in this tiny little fringe area. I mean, you look on there on the website, you just there’s nothing, it’s been scrubbed, the information has really been scrubbed from the internet. So I started buying the old books that doctors had, you know, I’ve got one of my best books is from 1915. And it’s an instruction manual how to use Tesla devices. Doctors, because you can do surgery with them, not just not just get people over pain. I’ll show you an electrode. This is an electrode, maybe you can see that. Yeah, we can see. And this one is primarily used for restoring nerve damage. And then there’s another electrode this is for treating open wounds.

George Papp 9:08
Guys listening on Spotify, unfortunately, won’t be able to see they won’t be able to get here but a video you can see on Odyssey

Clive De Carle 9:14
here that this is for repairing cellulite damage. And, you know, people don’t realize that back in 1890 At the turn of the last century electrotherapy was normal in guy’s Hospital in London, when did they open their electrotherapy department? Well, it was 1843. And they’d already been using electric therapy prior to 1843. But so occasionally people will find these old bits of equipment in their attic. And they obviously most people think that today in the 21st century old pieces of medical equipment from you know, 100 years ago. Well we’ve surpassed that, you know, we’ve gone beyond that old rubbish and they throw them away, not realizing that they’ve just thrown away a genuine Tesla device. And so yeah, over the years, I’ve been tracking them down and restoring them. And myself and some others doors between us, we’ve got stocks or parts, and we know how to do it, you show one of these devices to the average electrician, and they’ve never seen tuned resonating Tesla coils before. They don’t know, they just don’t, you know, by the 1930s, valve technology had come out and Tesla coils were sort of redundant, you know, people, so people they weren’t taught anymore, after the second world war than they totally stopped teaching electrotherapy there’s, you know, the Rockefeller medicine crew went round to every teaching academy in the world, you would say teaching electrotherapy or teaching herbalism or a cures with mineral waters, or, you know, cures with acupuncture or homeopathy or in England, there are like 20 homeopathic hospitals at one point, you don’t get to be a hospital without being good. And you don’t get 20 of them. Unless homeopathy, it was really working. You know, there were about, I can’t remember how many there were over a dozen hydrotherapy where they just use water as their primary method of healing people in Bath, there’s still a huge hospital, I’m sure it’s been taken over as a fancy hotel or something now called the Royal Mineral Water hospital where they treated you with the bath waters, you took the waters just like going to a spa. So, so much knowledge has been lost that just 100 years ago, your great great grandparents would have been quite familiar with stuff that’s now totally foreign to us.

George Papp 11:52
Yeah. And I mean, these these devices have these Tesla tools. Are they potentially acquirable? By by people? Or are they are they still very limited in the amount that that are out there to?

Clive De Carle 12:07
Well, there are not many good ones out there. I mean, my American restorer who’s had a business for years restored finding and restoring these devices he’s he’s given up because he can’t find enough good devices that are worth his time to restore. Luckily, in Europe, they’re more common now than they are in America. Because in America, there was a real Crackdown is they put people in jail and stuff. But if somebody wants one, they’re really serious. If they want to write to me at info at Clive I will send them details. You know, there are a few people who practitioners who use these but generally they do it on the quiet and they don’t usually have a website that step by word of mouth. But they are incredible me for chronic pain. That’s where it works best. If somebody is in chronic pain, you can usually get people out of pain in five minutes, usually, like not occasionally. But usually does I got a video where I get 34 people out of pain in a row in less than five minutes.

George Papp 13:16
Interesting. It’s good to know that they’re available. And you know, I’m sure they they have a lot of value in a monetary sense, but I’m sure they actually do work. It’d be great to hear more about that. Yeah, so definitely. I mean, the show on the show notes will have contact details for Clive. So if anyone wants,

I’ll send you a link to the video because it’s not a public video. It’s, you know, it’s not it’s not listed? Yeah, I’ll send I’ll send you so your listeners can find it.

Sure. We’ll include that as well. Cool. So let’s move on to I guess what is natural health? I mean, there are going to be some listeners here who maybe not sort of familiar with natural health, they might just not have looked into it enough. So what in your your sort of eyes is natural health? And what does that includes, I guess, protocols that you use suggests?

Clive De Carle 14:08
All right, well, let’s start off by looking at what healing is. So doctors who know anything about healing they know about drugs, surgery and radiation. But doctors don’t study health. It’s not on the curriculum five years, and they never get a healthy person and ask you how do you stay healthy? Why haven’t you got cancer or whatever. They don’t know about health. They don’t study cures, right. And what we want if we’ve lost our health is to get our health back. But doctors don’t do that. They will say, Oh, your body’s gone wrong. It’s bad luck. It’s bad genetics. It’s, you know, because you’re a fat lazy pig or whatever it is. They’re going to they’re going to blame you. But actually, nobody’s body ever goes wrong. What happens is that and perhaps we’re toxic ly poisoned, perhaps it’s an emotional toxin, we’ve had some terribly traumatic event, and it’s poisoned us, you know, at school people used to say, you’ll amount to nothing, you’re useless, or your accident prone or he’s always ill, or whatever it might be. And if we believe that type of hypnotic suggestion, we might not be well, but again, the doctors get it wrong. They see something like a tumor as a cancer, for example. They say, look, the cancer is the problem, the tumor is the problem. And so it’s like going to the car mechanic, and you say, look, I’ve got an engine problem. And so rather than the mechanic looking at what was causing the engine problem, they spot a big tumor, like a big red flashing tumor, you and I might call it the warning light on a car dashboard. But they say we’ve cut the tumor out, you’re cured. Nothing to do with what what caused the tumor, anything to do what was in the tumor? What’s the purpose of the tumor? Was it a good or a bad thing was the tumor the healing or the problem? So let’s simplify it. If you cut your finger, you know what to do. You leave it alone, you keep it clean, sterile oil. And what will happen with it will get hot and a bit red, you’ll get inflammation and inflammation is painful. So as your finger recovers, it’ll knock the temperature up three degrees to it. Because Because we heal with a high temperature, don’t we, you know, somebody is toxic. Let’s say they’ve got a lot of mucus and phlegm in them, well, the body will raise the temperature to detox, all that stuff, it all comes out. And then your temperature goes down, you’re back to normal. So inflammation is healing. But doctors say inflammation is the problem. Take an anti inflammatory. Well hang on a minute, you know that inflammation with your finger is part of the healing process. So what are inflammatory diseases? Well, arthritis, cancer, heart problems, loads of things are inflammatory. And inflammation is painful. But that is the healing process, but the dog just wants to turn it off. I’ll give them an aspirin, you know, get that temperature down them and they don’t understand what healing really is. So that’s one level of it. So with me, when the doctors couldn’t showed me that the these are all gonna be drugs for the pain? Well, I’m not lowering drugs. That’s not my problem. Deficiency of chemicals. That isn’t the issue. But I realized that I was low on minerals. I was low on vitamins. I was probably low on probiotics, your natural bacteria. I might have been low on amino acids, which you get from protein rich foods. But one way or another. I was as weak as a kitten getting worse. And the doctor said there was no hope. Now, that checked myself out, I started changing my diet, taking some supplements. All the arthritis went away 37 years ago, never come back and I looked like I was 18 years old. I couldn’t get drugs. And so what did I do? Well, the first thing I did was to take magnesium, magnesium and vitamin C as perhaps primaries. So what I’d like to do if I may is run through common deficiencies of vitamin C. And then your audience can decide whether maybe they’ve got a website with magnesium, run through the deficiency symptoms that you get if you’re low on magnesium and see if people have got any. So if you’re low on magnesium, you might be getting hiccups, spasms and hiccups as like a spasmodic contraction of the diaphragm spasms, cramps.

They are magnesium deficiencies and you’re seeing this with some of the people like sports people, they exert them. They have massive exercise and they dropped down dead and a heart attack. So what happened there? Well, somebody drops down died of a heart attack after vigorous exercise as they’ve done a marathon what would have happened well, they would have sweated and sweated and sweated until all the magnesium had sweated out and their heart stops because it cramps up and they die. You know people in the desert who we think there’s a dead person because they died of dehydration. No, they didn’t. They were still hydrated. What that what happens is that they sweat it out all the magnesium. So the heart had gone into a cramp and they had a heart attack and died. So any heart problems heart arrhythmia. Heart attacks, met probably a magnesium deficiency strokes. Arthritis answers, a joint issues twitches around the eyes, constipation, restless leg anxiety, panic attacks, lack of energy, poor sleep, we’re just scratching the surface of magnesium deficiencies. Now most people have got at least one of those for myself. If I don’t supplement with magnesium, I get muscle muscle cramps, I wake up in the morning and stretch and I’ll get a cramp. And but if I take magnesium, no cramps, and this is the same for pretty much everybody. Anybody who’s got one of those symptoms, twitches, constipation. Magnesium relaxes the body. So if you’ve got constipation, that means that your bowels aren’t relaxed enough to let go, you take enough magnesium, your bowels are going to let go whether you want them to or not. So you don’t want to take too much. But people who do take magnesium, many of them are taking a type that doesn’t work. If you go into a High Street store and buy the cheap stuff I was gonna ask this is just it’s not going to give you any magnesium that’s going to get you out of pain, you need the right type rather than the wrong type. And the quantity you might need might be totally different to what you ever would have imagined now. The RDA the recommended daily allowance, which is the amount that was worked out in the Second World War, to stop people dying of magnesium deficiency, right? It’s not enough to keep you healthy. But it’s just enough to stop you dying. That is the RDA. Now, the RDA for women is 380 milligrams, and the RDA for men is 400 milligrams. So that’s enough to stop you dying. But is that enough? Well, probably, possibly not. So now, people might have a say they’ve got some magnesium at home, they might look at it. And they might say 500 milligrams on the label. So they go would be one capsule is going to be fine, isn’t it? Because the 380 or 400 milligrams in a day, then you’ve got the whole thing in one capsule that No you haven’t. This is where they trick you. It says 500 milligrams. But that’s not elemental. Magnesium is not pure magnesium. That’s the magnesium salts like magnesium glucan aid or magnesium glycinate or citrate or whatever it might be. And there’s probably only maybe 100 milligrams of actual magnesium in there. So you actually need four capsules that say, not one. And they’ll say on the reverse. If you look at the supplement facts, it’ll say elemental magnesium. Now you know how much you’re really getting. So a lot of people think they’re getting the dose, they’re only getting a quarter of what they want. But that’s the minimum to stop you dying. So should you be taking for a day? Well, if you do you want to take them in divided doses, because some people might end up with diarrhea, if they take too many at once. I can take six at once no problem. And I recommend that most people if they recognize themselves as being low, having one of the symptoms that we just discussed, they might want might want and divided doses just at the beginning, assuming their kidneys are healthy to take 12 a day. 12 capsules of magnesium a day you know most people go, you’ve got to be kidding. That’s ridiculous, but it’s not. It’s not. I’ve had people who’ve been suicidal, write the depression so bad. And 24 capsules later, in less than two days no longer suicidal. Again, this doesn’t work for everybody. I’ve had some people

haven’t slept well for 10 years, suddenly sleeping well. I’ve had people who the pains stopped them. I had somebody this week who had trigger finger. They they couldn’t straighten their finger. It took the magnesium one hour later point the finger straight and I’ve had people cancel surgery for trigger finger because the magnesium was the problem. You see people bending as they get older than their backs bending over a summer certainly a magnesium deficiency. They can’t relax, they can’t relax their joints and their muscles and their tendons and ligaments and so on. So they’re beginning to twist up. Magnesium is number one in the in the mineral world. Vitamin C is number one in the vitamin world and vitamin D is number one in the hormone world. Vitamin D which we get from sunshine was mislabeled as a visible, it’s actually not it’s a hormone. So if you take vitamin D, magnesium and vitamin C in the right quantities, I would say that you’ll begin Being on the path to being bulletproof. If people that say on the NHS, they gave you the supplements, the right type the right amount, and you maybe included ID as an extra one, you could empty the hospitals a year 80% of the people who are in currently in hospitals wouldn’t be there. If you had those four things going, I would suggest

George Papp 25:23
I actually supplement those. Those three, personally,

Clive De Carle 25:27
You notice a difference when you started doing that?

George Papp 25:30
I actually did. I have to admit, I actually did. I managed to research like you said the right types. And yeah, I actually did see a difference. Certainly energy levels and mood level, for sure. Those things 100%. And I wanted to know,

Clive De Carle 25:48
how huge is that? How many people are feeling tired? All the time? Yes. It’s almost these days. Everybody’s feeling I would say some Ireland depressed. Yeah, no, it’s true. Yeah, no, I

George Papp 25:58
agree. I agree.

Clive De Carle 25:59
The interesting thing is that when we’re stressed, we burn up magnesium, right. So everybody’s stressed from 5g to, you know, listening to the news, if you’re foolish enough to do that, or whatever it is, everybody’s stressed way more than they should be. And how the body reacts to stress is burning your magnesium levels. So people get to this point where they burned their magnesium levels up completely. And now they’re getting the symptoms that we’ve just gone through.

George Papp 26:26
Yes. So it’s it’s certainly interesting. I mean, can we get these doses in natural food products? Or is it due to the fact that they’ve kind of ruined the food that we eat? That exactly that basically doesn’t allow us to have that those minerals in taken basically is that is that,

you know, I had an organic farm for 10 years plus, and my land had never been no have chemicals on it. So everything was just great. It was super easy to farm not I watch my neighbors doing it conventionally having a harder time. It was ridiculous. I was getting double the price, firstly, for my produce. And I was really well, at that point. 37 years ago, I had to take supplements to be well, but one of those living that lifestyle. I never supplemented with anything apart from a bit of Celtic sea salt. That was that was it. I didn’t need to because eating so well. Most people are unfortunately buying food that’s been poisoned. Isn’t that most people? I believe that when you go into the supermarket, there should be a say six categories, as opposed to in just a helicopter noise. It could be six categories. There could be a category, which just says what the product is, you know, bread, milk. Then there could be the other five categories, which which say slightly poisoned, fairly poisoned, moderately poisoned. Seriously poisoned and deadly. Yep. You forget the organic, biodynamic Viet that is that’s what it is. All the rest is food like poison. You know, if somebody gave you a one year old and said, look, the baby is really hungry. Would you feed it? Would you poison it? Well, course not. You wouldn’t poison a fictitious baby, that people are going out buying food for their kids. That’s got preservatives and pesticides and fungicides and herbicides, insecticides and larvicides. I talked to this farmer in the market once he was selling apples and stuff. And I said, Yeah, at that point, I was a farmer. I said, Joe, you know, how have you treated your apples this year in you as a farmer, and he told me it sprayed 28 different chemicals on his apples and then sealed them with wax so that the rain wouldn’t wash the chemicals off? Yeah.

And that hence the gloss that you see on those examinate supermarket apples

traits are endless, but also he was spraying stuff in the soil. So he killed all the insects and all the life and the beetles and everything. And then if you use Roundup, you know the glyphosate herbicide. How that works is it stops plants taking up minerals. That’s why all the weeds die. But even the Roundup Ready plants are I don’t know the numbers, but let’s say half empty of minerals. And every year, the soil gets worse when I was young. There was a wheat harvest or corn harvest or rye or oats or whatever it was, they do the harvest and burn the stubble to the ground. Now minerals are not damaged by heat. So every year they they grow it and they probably put natural fertilizers natural manures or whatever on the soil. And they’d always be putting it back that grow it up, burn it down, grow it up, burn it down and then leave it fallow and then that cycle but now they don’t do that anymore. So when they were doing that when I was young If I went out for a drive at this time of year, there’d be dead insects plastering my windscreen of the car, I’d have to get out and, and scraped and insects off my headlights at night, because I couldn’t see, because of all the insects. Now, I challenge anybody to tell me if they’ve got more than one dead insect on their windscreen, whereas I used to have 1000s in an hour. So it’s been an Armageddon of insects. So the birds aren’t there. The bats aren’t there like they used to be the young people don’t know, because they don’t know what’s not there anymore. But I’ve seen 99% extinction as anybody my age has of insects, it’s right in front of your face on the car windscreen. They’re missing. This is because they’ve all been poisoned by chemical farming. And so we were not meant to be ill women to self repair.

Yes. Yeah, I fully agree with that. I guess then, looking at those issues. What do you suggest in terms of a diet protocol? Or where would you source your food? If you’re in the sort of situations where you know, it’s quite difficult really to actually find food that is not poisonous, in a sense? Is it all about decentralizing and just growing your own, but obviously, again, you’ll have to find the right seeds and make sure the soil is of an adequate and poisonous level. So I mean, what sort of things do you suggest to to solve this for the individual at least?

Clive De Carle 31:29
Well, bearing in mind that many farmers in the UK and around the world will be growing say 30% Less next year, which means starvation for many people, because they can’t afford the fertilizers, the 300 400% rise in fertilizer costs. So and because they’re, they’re dependent on the chemical fertilizers, they can’t instantly go organic. I mean, personally, if you had a garden, I would be growing stuff. He’s got a lawn, you can just lay potatoes right on the lawn, cover it up with some cardboard with holes for the potato grow through an open up some straw bales, but a couple of straw bales on top. Even if the ground is rock hard, too hard to dig. You come back in a couple of months after you’ve watered the straw in the potatoes. And there’ll be potatoes in the ground right on the surface of the lawn and the roots will have gone down and like dug the soil for you. There there’s all sorts of no dig gardening techniques that are worth looking at. There are planting techniques where you plant things together. You plant onions next to carrots and the onions scare away the carrot flies and the whatever likes the onions doesn’t like the carrots, you know there’s companion gardening, there are all sorts of techniques that can make growing food sort of easy, but it really you the trick is to go to your neighbors and say what’s growing well because in some cases, there’s blights around so you just can’t grow this crop very well but other crops just a massive you know, I keep lots of beans like mung beans and lettuce I wanted bean sprouts and I want to plan in advance I can just put like two peas worth five peas worth of mung beans into soak then each day are, you know, let put them in a glass Kilner jar. With the top open. I just rinsed the beans every day so they stay a little bit damp. And within a few days, you’ve got bean sprouts. I’ve spent tea pea on mung beans, and I’ve now got two quids worth of mung beans because they they filled up the whole gillnet jar, you can sprout anything, you don’t need a garden you don’t need light. seeds don’t care whether you’re in the light or the dark. So let’s say I feel like hummus or falafel or some I’ve got some chickpeas and they store really well super cheap to buy. And I can soak them. They say I soak 10 grams of chickpeas. They’ll double double in weight by the end of the day and then I’ll just keep them down just wash them every day. And let’s say four or five days later, that 10 grams is probably gone to 50 grounds as they’ve grown and they’ve gone from dormant, which seeds are potential life to actually flourishing so the amount of vitamins and chickpea has gone up and immensely because it’s grown and you come alive.

George Papp 34:40
Are you are you a vegan client, you know, okay, what do you what do you suggest as a diet protocol because I know it’s widely dis sort of debated I guess, across the board, whether it’s sort of meat eating or vegetarian And or obviously veganism. What do you promote? Or what do you currently do yourself?

Okay, well, let’s run through the diets that are possible. There’s the Clinton diet. That’s where you’re a humanitarian. And that’s what your diet is, then there’s no vegetarian Fisher, Terry, whatever, that was a joke. But then the I stopped music, eating meat for 25 years. Literally, I went off it in mid chicken sandwich. And for 25 years, I did not want to eat meat. Then I changed my mind, I was round, and my dad says they got roast goose for Christmas dinner, and I decided that I’d go back to eating meat again. So I eat meat currently, but I’m very fussy. You know, I’m very lucky, I’ve got a organic shop that actually sells real food. And so I’m stupid. I won’t buy poisoned food, I just don’t want to do it. Because I guess clients, I see, I see the results of people eating badly. So I try to eat really well. And as I say, if you’re on a budget, then you can grow your own sprout your own. And it can be very, very inexpensive to eat. You can sprout lentils even sprout almost anything. But actually, I like cooked food. If somebody was in desperate need of a detox, let’s say they’re a type two diabetic. I’ve put people on a raw vegan diet, very low on carbohydrates, very low on sweet fruits, not an easy diet. And I’ve had loads of people who were type two diabetic now completely cured, no more type two diabetes, because they gave their whole system a rest. They stopped putting in the inflammatory foods, they gave their pancreas time to recover. Because most diabetics are constantly putting in processed foods or sugary stuff for fruit juices, you know, you want to be a type two diabetic these drinks and fruit juice, they’ll probably not your pancreas for six. And so most of us are capable of repair if we know how to do it. And we are what we eat in a more, more logically we are what we eat, think drink and do. That’s what we really are. So you go to a doctor, he says you’re going to die of cancer and you believe it. And that’s what you think, well, he well might. If you go in search of health, and somebody says, Well, if you look after yourself, you could live another 10 Healthy extra years, you probably might.

And I someone actually personally who reversed diabetes with a low carb to know that well, low carb, let’s say Meat, meat, meat diet, basically. So that got me thinking about the sort of meat versus vegan, you can go low carb with vegan, it’s just a lot more difficult. But it kind of got me thinking to, you know, how does it work then if he’s if he’s managed to reverse diabetes with a, with a sort of low carb sort of carnivorous diet? You know, there should be that should be looked into as a potential, you know, a good thing and something to look into as an option. But I believe that there’s always that debate between the sort of vegans and the meat eaters. Well,

Clive De Carle 38:22
every vegan I know, and I’ve known loads of vegans for decades, all long term vegans gave up they had to, they had no choice. They got ill, they got weak. We are omnivores, we our opportunity was if we got the opportunity, we’re likely to eat it. Ask one year old. And everybody’s different. And there are different times of need, as I say, I’ll happily put somebody on a raw vegan diet, if that’s what they need. I had a client a few years ago, who’d had IBS, ulcerative colitis type thing. For 10 years. He couldn’t leave the house one hour otherwise, you know, he might have an accident in the street. And he tried every diet that was it gone raw vegan, he tried everything. What fixed him finally, was going raw carnivore, he had steak tartare for a couple of weeks. And from the first meal of raw raw beef, he didn’t have IBS anymore, just stopped. He also did an one IV drip of glutathione. So it turned out that one of his problems was he had a severe reaction to certain certain petroleum products. And he lived on a main road and that might have had something to do with it. But essentially, he was raw carnivore for about under two to maybe three weeks at the most fixed him. That was what he needed might be the opposite for somebody else. So we are very intuitive if we’re willing to know know our bodies well enough and the more you trust your psychic abilities, the more you trust your intuitive abilities. The more they can develop. And so it’s it’s important to study that’s why I started the Secret Health Club because you can look up diabetes or thyroid or whatever the problem is. And there are some pretty good answers on each page as to what to do if you’ve got to get pregnant. You know, there all sorts of advice for that. And I interviewed Dr. Andrew Wakefield, you know, the guy in the doctor in 1995, who was the first one to mildly suggest that autism and vaccines might be linked. Now he’s been proved it goes completely vindication, right? They vilified him in his latest film, he’s now a filmmaker. It’s called infertility, a diabolical agenda. And now it’s only like 63% of the people who should be fertile, aren’t. It’s pretty shocking.

George Papp 40:53
It’s interesting. It’s definitely interesting and relevant right now. I guess the last sort of thing we can dive into is just really summarizing, really, the sort of key takeaways you would give my listeners sort of implement these strategies into their lives. And also where where can people find you in regards to your information and get in touch?

Clive De Carle 41:18
Right? Well, when I, you know, for some reason, the authorities have not liked some of the advice I’ve given because I suppose it stops the profits of the pharmaceutical industry. So the government wrote to me about three years ago saying that I cannot tell you the name of my website. It’s just incredible. So I can’t tell you but I could tell you that as most websites do, they end in And my name is Clive de Carle. He’s read might add a pinch 20 on your intelligence level, be able to put the two together and work it out.

George Papp 41:59
Sure. Yeah. We’ll include that in the show notes. If you can’t work it out,

Clive De Carle 42:04
They banned me from using the words vitamin C, and Coronavirus, publicly. I’m the only person and as far as I know, that’s got it in writing. I could have fought it. But it’s so funny. I’m not allowed to use the words Coronavirus or vitamin C

George Papp 42:22
do shows you something it tells you something right? Obviously,

I was putting up all sorts of videos on those subjects. And they took them all down within 15 minutes they were YouTube wouldn’t take them down. Now I’m I’m totally vanished from YouTube, they’ve taken me down completely. And finding me on Google is quite difficult as well. You just find hit pieces.

So what what key takeaways can the audience take away

Clive De Carle 42:51
couple of magnesium, we’ve covered vitamin C, we’ve sort of covered just everybody’s low on these things. Another big one, we haven’t covered is iodine. Right. I like a form of iodine called Lugol’s iodine 20 pounds in money last few years worth. So it’s not expensive, which is why the doctors aren’t taught anymore. Doctors used to be taught iodine and it was like, if you went to the GP and they didn’t know what was wrong with you 150 years ago, chances are they would have just given you an iodine as a starting place. So what foods are it in? Well, the most I’ve seen is in seafood, particularly seaweed. Now what countries in the world have the most seaweed in their diet? Well, let’s take Japan. Now, Japan do not have a word or didn’t used to have a word in the Japanese language for the menopause. There was no word for it. It basically didn’t happen in Japan. hot flashes super rare, because they have so much iodine in the seaweed and the sea fish that things like breast cancer, things like thyroid issues didn’t happen, or hardly ever, you know. Whereas we in most parts of the world unless we live right by the sea, we’re not getting enough iodine. And if you’re not getting enough it and things like goiter can happen where the thyroid swells up hoping to grab more it in through the air. Things like hypothyroidism, hyperthyroidism happens. It’s like providing people with problems like hormonal issues, probably lacking in iodine and how many people are lacking in iodine? almost everybody is because if you’re sitting on a new sofa with fire retardants that’s giving off bromine, which is knocking out iodine and if you’re drinking fluoridated or chlorinated water or bathing in it, that’s going to knock out the ideen which makes your thyroid work properly. Iodine make sure temperature control work properly. People say, Oh, you’ve got cold hands, you’ve got hot hands. You’ve got hot flushes. That’s an iodine deficiency that you’re basically looking at. If somebody’s got dry skin, if they walk into a room and can’t remember why they walked in that type of memory thing, very likely to be an iodine deficiency 20 pounds a year to fix. It’s crazy. Anybody who’s had anybody put it this way anybody wants to have a child. If the mother is low on it, the baby will be born with a low IQ, if the mother is clinically low on it, and so much so that a doctor would recognize it. The risk is the baby will be born with mental retardation, right? Serious mental retardation from iodine deficiency, you want intelligent baby, you want not to have many menopausal symptoms. You want to be taking iodine and selenium. They go together Iodine and selenium. Super important. Anybody who’s an addict, they need to know about Selenium. Selenium is just a massively important supplement. Other ones just racing through them. And I started taking vitamin D in winter. And I used to get colds every year, several never got a cold for 15 years, just from we don’t get enough sunshine in winter. So take vitamin D just in winter. I take vitamin K as well, if I’m not eating grass fed animal products. And of course, it’s worth bearing in mind that cows don’t eat grass, cows eat pastures, with Meadows full of wild flowers and herbs and mushrooms. But most cows are fed grass, which isn’t necessarily what they would naturally choose in the wild. Everything’s been messed up food wise, it’s a pretty crazy situation. So I recommend if you can’t grow your own, team up with a local farmer, cut out the middleman, try and find somebody who’s growing without chemical agriculture. Maybe you can buy straight you know, I get chickens from a lady. I get sorry, eggs, from a lady down the road and her chickens are foraging in the wild. It’s all lovely. And I know that I’m getting really healthy, fantastic eggs, and they’re half the price of the shop.

George Papp 47:33
Yeah, yeah, definitely stopped buying from supermarkets, its funding the issue as well. So you know, definitely Carl that those guys shop locally to the places that are independent, and you know, our, I guess aligned with with morals and growing these types of foods. And yeah, it’s, it is that simple. You’ve got to implement the strategies that I know there’s so many you can include, but we can do it slowly. But yeah, like just to sort of wrap it up, I guess vitamin C, D, magnesium, vitamin K, iodine, and selenium. Do your do your own research. Of course. You can also find all this stuff on on clients website. And yeah, we’ll we’ll definitely include that in the show notes. We have to wrap it up there, Clive. Thanks for joining me today amazing insights. And I hope to have you on in the future as well. You know, we can we can discuss a lot more, I’m sure. Make sure you subscribe to the podcast on Spotify. Plus, if you want to prepare your wealth for the great reset by having guidance from experts and and remove your inflation attached savings and income from the banks, check out this episode shownotes for a link to Click on the members page. Like we’ve said we’ve got a membership now. It’s a new service, which obviously can help you guys just build your wealth or at least preserve it during these times. I know it’s quite a difficult place to maneuver right now. But we seem to have at least the tools and solutions to do so to help you sort of build away from the current system. That’s the plan. So I’ll also put the links to Clive stuff, all of that secret health club, the websites. So definitely check that out. There’s so much useful information there. And it can really help you out I’m sure. And if you’re obviously interested in the Tesla stuff. I’ll probably also like to sort of look further into that. So that sounds really interesting. But yeah, thanks. Thanks, Clive. And yet peace and love to you all, and thanks for listening. Thanks, George. Thanks, everybody.

Clive De Carle 49:40

Interview with Captain Draeth: Pirate Chain (ARRR) & Privacy Cryptocurrencies

George Papp 0:08
Hi, welcome to the Conscious Renegade Podcast with me George Papp, helping you to be the change you wish to see in the world.

Today we are joined by Captain Draeth of the cryptocurrency Piratechain. And we’ll be discussing alternative economics and crypto to free people from the current system and the potential coming Great reset. In regards to updates with Cryptonomous, we are launching the membership. Now we have a date of the first of July. So keep your eyes peeled for that. We’ll give updates soon on when those will be up and running. So thanks again, Draeth for joining me. How’s it going on your site?

Draeth 1:06
Thanks for having me. Yes, things are going great man, except for the market.

George Papp 1:11
Yeah, we’ll definitely ask your opinion on what’s going on in a bit. I mean, it’s obviously an interesting time to be discussing crypto. But yeah, thanks for joining me and taking time out for this. I know you we’ve wanted you on for a while to discuss what Piratechain can do. And what we can often say to people, I guess, to kick things off, we wanted to, like I do with most guests is just to have a look at your story and how you manage to I guess get to what you’re doing now and in contributing to pirate chain. And you’re sort of what’s your story in, in essence.

Draeth 1:47
So I started off in crypto in 2016. And it naturally kind of drew me because, you know, being able to control my own money, for one and two, just the different types of things you can do with the new innovations that crypto is coming up with just you know, it’s fantastic. And I was always a huge, huge advocate of privacy and, you know, security, things like that. So, you know, I started off as you know, miner of Litecoin, and just various things like that. And then until I stumbled upon Piratechain in October of 2018, which is two months after its launch. And I started mining that because you know, I found out about it through a couple of videos and things like that. And what really, really stuck me to the community was that or to the project was the community for one and how helpful and knowledgeable they were. But to how like just reading into the technicals and reading into all these different things just really floored me in terms of like technology behind it with zero knowledge proofs and all this amazing tech, including, like delayed for work and everything. So at that point, I was like, you know, this is something that I really, really want to stick with. So I started trying to help out with anything that I could in terms of community management, or just promoting in general and one of the old captains fishy guts actually got me to start a business that accepted Piratechain, and I created, you know, this crypto coins and stuff. And it was just a lot of fun. And then, after a while, it just became something that I was super passionate about, and dedicated a very good portion of my time to assisting and doing whatever I could. And over time I got eventually promoted up the chain to captain. And now you know, I helped lead the ship in terms of the direction would go with promotion with pretty much anything that I’m able to do. So

George Papp 4:16
yeah, I can tell with the team with you guys. You’re all very aligned in and sort of morals and ethics think is very important. And it also shows the continuity. And it seems like you know, you can tell a scan by the team. And I’ll definitely know that, you know, the team. We’re at Piratechain. I mean, it’s definitely there for for the cause. And yeah, like I said, it’s been a pleasure to speak with all of you to be honest. I think one thing, one topic we want to discuss is I know you’re obviously in the space, but I want to talk about the overall crypto solution as an economic solution for freedom on your end life. What’s your views on on crypto being an economic solution? It kind of gets a lot of people on both sides of the coin. You know, people say that crypto is that digital money that eventually will be sort of taken over and sort of be just like, a doorway to the CBDCs. But other people, you know, realize that the privacy aspect and and having our own sort of limited supply type crypto can be a solution. But what’s your thoughts on crypto as a solution in our current society?

Draeth 5:34
Well, crypto is it’s too broad of a term really, in terms of being a solution for, you know, money in general, because there’s so many different applications that crypto can be used for, but speaking specifically on currencies, for them crypto like Bitcoin and fire and things like that. A problem is, when it comes to CBDCs and things of that nature. The biggest issue is its transparency, right. So whether it’s transparent to the public or transparent to a select few, that’s what that’s when it becomes a major issue. Because now you have people tracking everything you do everything you spend your money on, and so forth. Now, the solution comes in privacy coins, whether it be pirate chain, or, you know, quite a few others that are out there that actually have some really solid privacy aspects and features to it. Because with something like pirate chain, you can’t track it. It’s literally impossible, what the moment you send something to somebody, nobody can see that transaction. Nobody knows how much was transacted while the Tresor went to nothing. They just know that something happened on the network. And that’s it. So the analogy I like to use is, it’s like having $1 in my pocket. And then me thinking to myself, Okay, I’m gonna send it to this person here. That person knows I sent it to them. But or knows the address that it was sent from. But aside from that, nobody else can see where that dollar went, because it just disappeared and reappeared in that other person’s pocket. As compared to say, like Bitcoin, for example, which is completely transparent. Everybody can see that I send money across the table to that other person, everybody’s watching, everyone seems to have a wallet, everyone can see any detail of that transaction or of my wallet or wallets that I own. And that’s an issue because you don’t want to do you don’t want people to see your private information, load woes want people everyone to see your personal finance. So Piratechain solves that by making everything completely private.

George Papp 8:09
Yeah, it’s, it’s interesting, because the you can see that in not only for us freedom based individuals, I think there’s definitely a use case for businesses from in regards to sort of private blockchain technology, who would want all their information on business and supplier details and you know, all kinds of payment details from a business point of view, to be seen by everybody. Now, we can flip that, I guess, and say that maybe there are a lot of use cases for transparent blockchains. Especially if you believe in government, having a an open ledger, transparent to all of society in regards to maybe tax expenditure, wherever your view on taxes would be a useful thing. But I think in this case, having a tool like pirate chain and and others that are fully private, there’s so much use case for that, especially in a world where we are now and even even in a world where it wasn’t in this way, in the sense that there are illicit actors, prying over your funds, and then they want to know everything about you. But yeah,

Draeth 9:19
not only that, I mean, when you look at transparent blockchains, they there are tons of use cases for them. Yeah, not in personal finance. But when it comes to public finance, or say voting or when it comes to say donations specifically to politicians and such. Those things I believe should be public and completely transparent.

George Papp 9:53
Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I think there’s so many use cases that you know, can prevent a lot of issues that we’re having at this moment. In the world, with transparent blockchains, for the public side of things. Great. Yeah, I guess, just to touch upon the story of pirate chain, I know you joined in two months after launch, or you got to know them at least two months after the launch. But what are your what’s your knowledge on how it started pirate chain and how it sort of grew as a as a crypto as a team, sort of where were the origins of Piratechain?

Draeth 10:29
Yeah, so Piratechain originated on August 28, of 2018. And it was developed by a bunch of different developers on Komodo who basically thought to themselves, is it possible to actually make a fully shielded chain using z k snarks, because at that point in time, the only chains that were available with Zk-snarks, which is widely considered the strongest privacy protocol was, say Z-cash, right, Z-cash was the main, one that utilized and developed zk-snarks into blockchain, but they also have transparent addresses on top of private addresses. Now, the problem with that is 95% of all transactions on their chain is transparent. Only 5% actually utilize the privacy features were shielded addresses. And the reason why privacy gets ruined with that is because if, for example, coins get sent through a bunch of different transparent addresses, then it goes to shoeless address, that eventually back to a transparent address, they can eventually be traced. Whereas with Piratechain, you don’t see anything that happens. Right. So once they started kind of digging into that, they got the chain working and up and running. And then from that point, you know, they dedicated some of their developers to help out and it was turned into a community project, to where anybody could really help out and, you know, push the push the project forward. So they gathered some of the best community managers, some of the best project managers that they could find, to help run the project. And then from that point, we just kept expanding in terms of personnel, community, and just pushing the message forward, that privacy is a fundamental right of all people. And nobody has any right to infringe upon your privacy without your consent. Show it so we just kept developing and developing until we were the first to actually have a fully shielded mobile wallet in the industry. We were the first do tons and tons of different things with zk-snarks. And we actually got recognized by quite a few people, including Monero and Z-cash. Manero complimented us on our anonymity set, because our anonymity set grows with every single transaction that occurs on a network. And just all the developments that we’ve made in this industry for zk-snarks and usage. We were complemented by Z-cash for that. So

George Papp 13:32
yeah, so we can tell the difference between Z cash and Piratechain. Piratechain is private by default, using the Z-cash narcs technology with Z-cash has but they don’t have privacy by default. So it’s easier for the blockchain to be read for the unshielded transactions make up most of the transactions, so it’s easier to sort of work out the private transactions basically, is that the jest that

Draeth 14:00
pretty much and we’re all going to be the first in the industry soon to have a hardware wallet that can actually utilize zk-snarks. So currently, there’s no wallet in the industry that can handle shielded transactions for zk-snarks. And one of our community members slash team members is actually developing an almost finished with a hardware wallet that’s capable of running pirate chain

George Papp 14:30
that will be an excellent solution in my opinion, I think you know, that sounds pretty revolutionary because I think we currently I mean, the hardware wallets currently. They’re not I mean, they they they don’t support Piratechain so I think having a hardware wallet is obviously advisable for especially long term holds and yeah, obviously having that for pirate chain is is definitely something definitely a good move forward in my opinion. How long are you until that, that

Draeth 15:01
sort of ready? Well, it’s been in development for over a year mobile rights been just, you know, working like crazy on this thing. And it’s been shown off his progress every so often. And he’s made amazing strides. And I think he’s finally at the point where probably I am don’t quote me on this because you know, things can change. But I would, I would assume that in the next couple of months, you probably start taking pre orders.

George Papp 15:32
Because that is something

Draeth 15:34
manufacturers and a bunch of other stuff to just get the final kinks worked out.

George Papp 15:39
Definitely something to check out in the next few months for sure. I’m definitely interested in that. And we can definitely point people in that direction once things get close to that time. So thank you, I guess there are some things we want to talk about in regards to there’s a lot of talk about, obviously, third party audit. In regards to pirate chain, potentially pre mine issues, I think we just want you to essentially clear up some of the sort of talk in the background of, you know, the third party audits that haven’t occurred yet for pirate chain. And and some of the other limitations that people have expressed in regards to the pre mine. Just maybe touch upon that to maybe clear up some of these issues that people might have and concerns.

Draeth 16:31
Yes. So while Z-cash itself, has their stuff audited in terms of their technology and everything, you know, it would essentially be the same thing for us. But the problem lies in the fact that there’s only maybe a few, in fact, companies in the world that can actually audit zk-snarks stuff. So finding those people, which we found a couple that can do it costs, ridiculous, I’m talking about several $100,000 to be able to just audit the code. But the also the other problem lies in, you know, can you really trust that they know what they’re talking about? You know, what I mean? So, it’s, it’s, it’s an interesting thing, because we’re really pushed to do it, which we started fundraising for, and still are, because, you know, we still haven’t met our goal of, I think it was like, a quarter million dollars to get the process started. And, on top of that, you know, when we find when we, I think we found somebody to found a company to do it. But then it was, I think a couple of community members or people from another project were like, Well, no, they’re not that great at it. So it’s like, Who do you trust at that point? You know, so it’s something that I mean, we’re not, I mean, we are actively working on it. But it’s not like a major priority at this point. Because there’s so many other things that we can be doing, rather than, you know, trying to raise money, and then trying to find a legit order that everyone agrees on, which is near impossible to find, let alone find additional companies that are able to actually audit. zk-snarks. So it’s, it’s, it’s, and it’s a monumental task to try to do. And that’s something that a lot of people don’t realize, because the thing is going to say like Ethereum. You know, auditors are a dime a dozen. There’s tons of solidity to solely solidity auditors, because there’s just so it’s easy code is to audit. Whereas zk-snarks is the math, the math required for this, it’s just saying, so. So that’s that. And then in terms of pre mined, it’s, people always get upset when they miss out on the beginnings of a project. And our emission rate was high, so that we can, like catch up to people like Mineiro, and things like that in terms of supply and everything like that. So what ends up happening is when you have people that missed out on the beginnings of a project, they get all fuzzy like, oh, you know, it’s a pre mine. This isn’t that. I mean, when you really think about it. I mean, how difficult was it to mine Manero back in the day when it first launched? Right? It was actually, for a lot of people. There wasn’t the software solutions or a lot of things that were that are currently out now. That were that, you know, back then it was really hard to do. Let alone you look at the amount have people that were in crypto back then that, you know, were actually mining Manero? It was only a handful people compared to you know, what? The average amount of people that mined certain assets today. So, if you really want to save it, you know, you can technically say, well, manera was pre mined, not many people knew about it, when it first came out, it was really hard to mined. So, technically speaking, it was, you know, for a lot of people, it was too hard for them to figure out and so forth. So, to me, it’s, it’s a stupid, stupid thing that was just, you know, people use his try to use this font. And it’s just, it gets old after a while, you know, it’s, it’s funny to see a lot of people stop saying that after a while, because they’re like, Well, you know, they can’t refute the things that we say like, well, you know, it’s it was available, we promoted it, do you want? Did you expect us to have millions of dollars to promote this, so everyone knows about it in the beginning? Now, there’s tons of projects that are out there that blew up during the crypto polish of a bull bull cycle that not many new people know about, because, you know, not every project has millions of dollars to promote their stuff. And that’s what it takes these days to get noticed.

George Papp 21:21
Yeah, I mean, some of those projects are probably no longer here. So there were Yeah, so you know, I think the testament is at least, you know, you guys have kept very consistent in the sense that your, your project is very consistent, the team is very consistent, and you have a very, like consistent sort of moral and ethical standpoint, I think that’s very important.

Draeth 21:48
And not only don’t have any dev fees on chain, or anything like that. So no, there’s a 0% of any transaction goes to anybody but the actual intended receiver, like you have certain other projects that have we like to call it dev tax to where a small percentage of the blocks mined, actually go to the project? No, so we have no, no pre mined for us. There’s no dev tax shot for us in terms of mining of things that this, nothing like that. So we’re literally operating on a zero budget. Because, you know, we all volunteer, we don’t get paid for this. And, you know, the things that we need to raise funds for we go through the community. Yeah,

George Papp 22:44
excellent. Excellent, I think, yeah, is a testament to knowing who, who you guys are behind the scenes. So yeah, I can definitely advocate for that on your side. I wanted to ask this, because a lot of people question crypto and if even being online, at any point, means that you’re totally private. So I wanted to put it to you, in a sense that can you ever be fully private? In a sense that, will anyone? Can people just know that you’ve bought a pirate chain? Or whether you own pirate chain? I believe, I mean, you probably can’t tell that you’ve how much you bought, right? But Can people or you know institutions? Or anyone really, hackers know that you’ve bought pirate chain? Or is there is there actually ways where you can buy a pirate chain without any sort of footprint online? Let’s say?

Draeth 23:43
Um, so the difficulty about that is the fact that in order for you to really know not leave a footprint, is if you were to say, trade assets. Regardless of what that asset is, does that mean you can give somebody Bitcoin, then you receive Piratechain, that really doesn’t matter, because nobody’s going to see that pirate chain transaction. So they just see that, you know, like, from an outside perspective, you see Bitcoin going from one place to another, but that’s all you see. You know, so, realistically, if you want to try to not leave a footprint, then it’s, you know, utilize VPNs and such like that. So you don’t know what sites are going on, or whatever, you know, to encrypt your data and stuff, but the thing about Piratechain is that it doesn’t matter if somebody’s monitoring your network, you know, because it’s all encrypted. So it’s not like people can see just because they’re on their network or network that, oh, wait, they’re receiving power chain, or they’re sending pirate chain, they have no idea because it’s all encrypted. And on top of that, you can utilize the built Tor and stuff with our wallet. And soon, hopefully soon, you’ll be able to use ITP as well. So we have additional security features built in. So it’s like encryption on top of encryption. And so it’s for somebody trying to see that, you know, you’re making a transaction unless they’re actually on your computer, looking at it. You know, there’s whether that be in person or like through spyware of some sort, that where they can see your screen and see what’s going on. Nobody’s gonna have any idea that you’re actually sending or receiving power chain. Yeah, and I

George Papp 25:50
think I just think that it’s an important point to make. I think you gotta have everything, I mean, without sounding completely paranoid, because I think you can go too far in a sense that you need everything not to be seen, in the sense not of the transaction, but even like you buying certain things like Piratechain, or even just making a transaction from different assets. But I think what Piratechain can offer towards freedom is definitely the community aspect of if we use Piratechain, as a method of currency between us, it cannot be tracked or extorted, whether whatever your views on tax, for example, but not just that, in regards to if you’ve bought something and you know, you’re not allowed due to your social credit score, they can’t do that with pirate chain. So as an alternative solution to the ever increasing surveillance, monitoring of digital money in traditional finance, Pirate chain can really be used as that, that sort of added tool in your toolkit to actually be able to move around that system. Once an effect comes in, in regards to CBDCs, which looks inevitable. Yeah, so I guess let’s move on to thoughts on the current market, because so much has happened since we last spoke together a few months back. What are your thoughts on the current market? And you know, what’s happening at the moment why it’s happening? And what you see in regards to the future of crypto?

Draeth 27:29
Yeah, so basically, obviously, we’re in a bear market right now, which was pretty evident. But the thing that really kicked it off to where it is now, was the fact that LUNA was just basically destroyed, which was, you know, a top, I think it was a top 15 Crypto, and a lot of people utilize the stable coin and LUNA itself. And when you will look at what happened. It’s like billions of dollars were just erased almost from just people’s homes. So there’s a lot of people take advantage of the arbitrage opportunity that went on between the stable coin and Luna itself. So where it basically got depay. So a stable coin, as you know, should be pegged at dollar if this was at like 80 cents, and then the arbitrage which was so hard that literally dropped it down to 50 cents and then just went downhill from there. So a lot of people get affected by Luna which causes a huge ripple effect all over crypto. And then you have this stuff now with Celsius and you know, various other things that are going on that are just causing issues. So it’s not a fun time for sure.

George Papp 29:01
Do you see the end in sight?

Draeth 29:05
Well, here’s here’s the way I look at it. You look at all these other times that all these quote unquote industry experts say oh crypto is dead crypto going to zero bla bla bla bla bla they’ve said it so many times in the past, I mean, most recent or not most recent but the last example was 2018 Right? So Bitcoin had just reached his all time high of like 19 change. And then they just started dropping and dropping and went all the way down to about $3,200 I think it was late that year early the year after and then it just stay in that low for you know, quite a while and then finally out of nowhere just rose up to eight grand and then kept rising from there. So realistically, it’s just going to be awhile, it’s going to maybe be about a year or two, in my opinion in terms of a full recovery, plus going back to potentially new all time highs and all that other fun stuff. And that’s why the comb cycles, you know, so we’re in a bear bear market cycle right now, in my opinion. And then eventually, you know, once we get out of that bear cycle, we’ll go back into the bull cycle. And then you’ll see all new cryptos pop up, you’ll see all new scams, obviously, you see all these new innovations that will be coming out of crypto during that time. But the important thing is, it’s, if you want to find out what projects are legit, look at what they’re building during bear markets. Because it’s during the bear markets, when there’s no money really to be had compared to a bear market. Compared to a bull market, you’ll really see the dedication of a team, when you see them build during a bear market.

George Papp 31:05
Yeah, and you can the lie, I’ve said this to many people is like this is when you see a lot of the ship coin and you know, poor protocols really just go and you have the ones that have solid fundamentals and the legit team behind them stay and build for the next Bull Run. And I think that’s a very big an important aspect for people to know, what are fundamental, fundamentally good projects, and, and research the team etc. Because just going with hype and stuff, it never works out.

Draeth 31:46
You have to think about what you’re really in it for, as a user, not as a product, but as a user. Are you in it for making money? Or are you in it for actually utilizing the technology is severe enough for utilizing the technology. And you’re upset about you know, well, prices are down? Well, that’s the thing about crypto, use it, use it for what it’s intended for, right, for example, with higher exchange or chains of currency. And we have something called the Armada, which is a AR AR AR ma It’s a store directory of all stores and services that accept pirate chain as a payment. So if you want to support a project, or, you know, you want to hear in crypto to, you know, use it for what it’s supposed to be use for then use it. You know, that’s the best way to gain adoption, the more you use, some people use the thing that’s intended to use for the more traction it gets over time and more stores will accept it and so forth, we have like, I think it’s over 120 different stores right now in counting that accept Piratechain as payment. Yep. So if we continue with people using Piratechain, oh, stuff that’ll just continue to grow. And you’ll see a lot of adoption come from it. You know, and then over time, during a bull market, for example, if you’re if you’re the type of person that only cares about price, that’s when you see the price shoot up. Even more so than any other crypto is that, hey, it’s being used, it’s actually being used next to one of these other Kryptos that just are supposed to be currencies, but they don’t go after no places to accept them as a form of payment. They just go keep going after tech, which is great. But you don’t get any traction because nobody’s using it for what it’s supposed to be used for.

George Papp 33:55
Yep, we’ve, I’ve said this before, I don’t even think some in soon in the future, it might not even matter how much Bitcoin or Piratechain and whatever will be worth in dollar terms. I mean, personally, I use pirate chain as a form of payment on order as well, which I’ll put in the link in the show notes. For anyone interested in accepting pirate chain I do myself. And that’s how we, you know, we actually change our community and help each other by accepting, you know, these sorts of privacy focused coins. And I know that you guys are really focused on getting businesses to adopt your currency and actually using the currency which is it’s crazy to me that not many people think about that. They just think about how much it’s worth in Fiat dollar terms, which is, which is I mean, it’s crazy to me, when the actual technology is there to be used, and it’s ready to be used. Yes, I mean, what’s next for pirate chain in regards to updates and what’s next in the actual world? roadmap.

Draeth 35:02
Yeah, so in the actual roadmap, basically, we’re going to be listed in additional third party wallets. You know, relatively large ones, I should say. We are working on getting ITP integrated into our wallets. So this way, you can have a choice between utilizing ITP or Tor. And knowing that there’s pirate poker, that’s going to be coming out probably, hopefully, in the next few months or so, which is anonymous poker. I know, there’s a lot of people that wanted to get that built. So that’s something that one of the dev teams is working on. what else what else, we just got accepted by a, what do they call it voluntaryism in action, which is a nonprofit, that actually does a lot of good work around, you know, places around the world, where you can actually, you know, donate to them to actually help out and everything, and that they accept Piratechain as a payment. So that’s something recent that would happen that one of our community members actually teammates, I should say, Luna worked day and night getting that set up, which was amazing. There’s just tons of stuff that we’re currently doing behind the scenes as well, that we don’t really talk too much about or don’t talk about at all, specifically, because we don’t like saying things in public and then having the public continue to wonder when it’s going to be produced. If it’s something especially if it’s something that it’s going to be a long time before we finish. I mean, prime example. There’s something that I that I’m actually doing a lot of research into and getting my developers looking into for pirate for an escrow service. Right. I haven’t released many details about this at all, specifically, because, like I said, I don’t know if it’s possible. And if it is, I don’t know, how long would it take to develop, and also his stuff. So if we feel like the best way to really push out information and to announce things is when we’re 100% sure that it’s able to be done for one, and two, we’re getting close to getting it finished. Because at that point, once you actually are close to getting it finished, then the logical question of the community would be, when is it going to be available? You know, so imagine if you just stopped working on something, you have no idea when it’s gonna be finished? Or if it’s possible, and people keep asking you, hey, when’s this going to be done? And then you’re like, I have no idea. That’s not like, a one and two, you want to make sure that you don’t hype, something that, you know, will be a long time away. You know, so when we do something, and we announced it, that’s when you know that, hey, this is for real, this is coming soon. And so it’s

George Papp 38:24
definitely better to over deliver than meant to under the under deliver. And always over promise and under deliver. over deliver. Yeah, yeah, I was trying to get that. Yeah, exactly. And yeah, I think that’s the best way to go. No Hype, just get get your work in the background. And when when things come out, they come out and it’s you know, it’s 100% Ready, and not some bodge job or, you know, delayed thing that people are still waiting for. So, then other projects have definitely had that sort of thing going on

Draeth 39:04
to that same point, but you know, we have we’ve had that same issue before. The thing is, we just learned from it, you know?

George Papp 39:11
Yeah, exactly. I’ve had that with this actually, to be honest to releasing this podcast and, and having having my episodes delayed. For launch. To be honest, I’ve had to learn that as well. I guess the last thing really to touch on is always ask this is what advice and key takeaways Can you give my listeners to to implement strategies into their lives to truly help them free themselves from the current economic climate or just to be able to implement strategies for freedom? I guess in regards to pirate chain, but also other things as well that maybe you’re doing personally.

Draeth 39:54
Yeah, just take a look at take a good long look at everything you do on your Your daily life and see the various places where your information is just you’re giving it away, essentially, right? One example I love to use is, for those who are in the US, there’s in food stores, they have, like MPP cards, right? Which is something that, you know, you scan it, you get discounts on, you know, various products and items, you know, that are on sale. Now. Those things are free to have like, you don’t have to pay anything for an FTP card. But you have to stop and think, What am I? How am I getting these things for cheaper? Why what is special about this thing that allows me to get these things, these products and items cheaper. And what that thing is, is your data, right, you’re giving away your data, which is the products you buy, how often you buy them, you know, the various brands that you get the frequency in which you go to that store, or so forth, all this data, which can be just allow me to basically figure out the type of person you are and your habits and all this other stuff. You’re giving away all that data for a small discount on whatever items you’re getting. And to me, that’s crazy, there’s an instance where target is I think it’s like 70 Some percent accurate determining whether an actual person is pregnant or not based off of their shopping habits, and they’re able to determine that prior to that person knowing that they’re pregnant. And that’s an actual thing that happened. It’s, it’s crazy. And it’s also

George Papp 41:57
improving as well, like, all Yeah, yeah.

Draeth 42:02
So looking at various points in your life, where you’re doing something that could compromise your privacy, or basically, you just giving it away for nothing, basically, find those points and just try to close those gaps. You know, make sure you always use a VPN, things like that. I mean, there’s, there’s levels of privacy to where, after a certain point, it starts affecting your daily life, where you don’t go out, do certain things, you have to build certain things to be able to surf the net, or whatever it may be, it makes it harder and harder to actually live your daily life. So the key takeaway from that, for me would be find that balance in which you’re comfortable securing your privacy, securing your data in general, while being able to maintain the lifestyle that you want. Right, just I mean, you should always have privacy. Regardless, you should always try to be private, always try to do things to where you’re not giving away your data. Now in terms of crypto, the advice I can give for that is never I don’t care what project it is, could be pirate chain could be anything else don’t. And I mean, don’t put in more money than you’re willing to lose. You know, I’ve seen people with that whole lunar crash, lose their houses lose basically their livelihood, because they threw their mortgage payments, that they throw all this stuff at it expecting that oh, yeah, I’m gonna get rich, or, you know, I’ll have enough money to do XYZ and then when the whole thing, you know, crashed on them, or the market crashed in general, they’re just, they’re screwed, and they lose their houses and everything else. So never put in more than you’re willing to lose. And if you’re going to invest in privacy coins, it’s always good to have multiple, multiple types of privacy coins, like for example, Piratechain and Monero. FIRO, Conceal all those other ones, you know, have a basket, you know, because the thing is that we’re in this together. And that’s why I also formed the BTSA, which is the blockchain privacy, security and adoption Alliance. It’s a bunch of projects that our privacy and security focus to where, you know, we’ve made one of our primary goals is to ensure that a person’s privacy and security is intact. So we’re we all we’re all working together on ensuring user privacy. So in a while, obviously, I would recommend Piratechain because I’m the captain over there. At the same time being realistic. You know, there’s you should always have multiple options. Because if one fails like For example, if you’re heavily invested in Monero, and say Monero gets de-anonymized, you’re screwed. You know. So always have multiple options, multiple currencies, things like that.

George Papp 45:14
Yeah, spread the risk. And also, I guess, going back on your old point, your previous point of privacy is so easy. I mean, the easy things in life, like in regards to tech are always the ones that, you know, your hand and your date are away. But you know, using Google, you know, potentially even using Windows, and if you can go down there sort of using Windows and Apple products, but it’s always the easy option, which sort of is the habit that gives your data away. So obviously, it’s not something that happens overnight, like you said, it’s like one or two things, here and there, you know, you fill that gap. And you gain a bit of privacy on there by using, you know, a different browser or a different type of, you know, hardware, laptop or whatever. These things come into your life slowly. And, you know, you can then transform it going forward in a more long term view instead of like trying to do everything at once and get overwhelmed by the amount of knowledge and technology behind it that you just haven’t even looked into. But yeah, that’s That’s great advice. definitely agree. And I guess I know you have to shoot. So thank you very much for joining me, and definitely want to have you on in the future to discuss, you know, that hardware wallet that’s coming out from you guys. So yeah, thank you very much for for joining. And, I guess make sure you subscribe to the podcast on iTunes or Spotify. Plus, if you’re interested in having one to one consulting to prepare your wealth for the great reset, check out the episode show notes for a link to crypto animus Also, we’ll put all the links to pirate chains material in the show notes. So definitely check that out, especially on moderate because you know if you can accept pirate chain for your services is definitely a massive step forward for adoption. And we can build a community around using this privacy tool that we have. Thanks, Captain, and hopefully it will speak soon.

Draeth 47:21
Absolutely. Thanks for having me on.

George Papp 47:22
Last one peace and love tool. Thanks for listening

Interview with Max Wright: Crypto, Precious Metals & Preserving Your Wealth

George Papp 0:08
Hi, welcome to the conscious renegade podcast with me George Papp, helping you to be the change you wish to see in the world.

Today, we are joined by Max Wright aka Contrarian Dude of Success Council. And we’ll be discussing alternative economics and crypto to be free in the current system and the coming Great reset, I guess updates from our sides. Were looking at the membership being completed here on Cryptonomous Consulting. So that’s what we’re working on. And we will continue to do so. And when that’s live, we’ll we’ll let you guys know. So how are you, Max, and thanks for coming on.

Max Wright 1:05
I’m doing really, really well. Thank you so much for having me.

George Papp 1:08
Thank you so much for joining. Obviously, your works quite in this space. I mean, it’s quite well known in a sense. I’ve known your work for the last couple of years, with the Success Council, and also your work on YouTube, where you you give your sort of trading analysis and your views on on the crypto market currently, which is great. So I know that your stuff is, is really good work.

Max Wright 1:35
Thank you appreciate the compliment.

George Papp 1:37
Excellent. So I guess let’s start with, I guess your story and how you got into crypto. And also, I guess alternative economics because I know it’s not just really crypto you only focus on although a lot of what you’re focusing on it within but just how you got into maybe alternative economics and crypto yourself.

Max Wright 2:02
Okay, well, that one goes back a long way. So I don’t know why it’s a weird quirk of personality. But for whatever reason, I was very interested in economics might one of my favorite classes in high school was economics. And I remember asking my teachers, especially the subject of money, just because what I was interested in, and I remember asking my high school teachers, the simple question, if everyone emptied their pockets and all the bank accounts, and you counted up all the money, I didn’t know to use the word money supply at the time, I could have asked the question that much quicker. But the pockets or the bank entry chemical the money in 1900, and the accounts up all the money now is way more money now. How does money get into the system? What makes the money supply bigger without using the word money supply? And the high school economics teacher didn’t have an answer. And this guy kind of put that to bed and just kind of this is pre internet. So what are you going to do? I went I went to college, I studied engineering, but was still interested in this question. So wondering myself over the economics department, and found a couple of people is whether they were particularly high up or low down in the in the spectrum of teachers? I don’t know. But I asked them the exact same question didn’t get a good answer. And this question was just in the back of my mind, and didn’t get a good answer. And then the internet came along. And I remember I don’t even know how or why, where I was looking. But I just found a lecture by a gentleman called G. Edward Griffin. And he authored a book called The Creature from Jekyll Island. And it’s the entire book about the creation of the Federal Reserve the history of the Federal Reserve, and exactly answers the question, how does money enter the system. And so this weird curiosity that I had a teenager starts to get answered, but from there, I get introduced to the concept of money supply, G. Edward Griffin, he would be what’s called a libertarian. And so he was down. Again, none of these words mean anything to me at the time. But he’s an what would be called an Austrian economist, more so than a Keynesian economist, which is what we’re mostly familiar with. And so this is just my introduction, I didn’t go to formal schooling. So I didn’t get Keynesian ism, ran down my throat, I got a little bit in high school, and that was it. But there and now I’m in this world where I’m starting to hear these people and suddenly get information from Austrians first up and on anybody, and then I’m hearing this information and makes an enormous amount of sense to me. And then I’m hearing the stuff on the news. And it all makes no sense to me. It’s completely confusing. All the recommendations they’re giving me makes no sense and seems counterintuitive. Whereas when I learned Austrian economics, I’m just like, that makes perfect sense. And so that’s how I got into the world of economics. And then little bit of self study, YouTube comes along and all of a sudden, there’s there’s so much information out there. I just get to consume so much of this information. I started to become self taught economist starting to hear people saying, Yeah, Robert Kiyosaki, Peter Schiff. It’s like, we’re in a huge, they’re on the precipice of a huge thing. And then the 2008 crisis hits, and I was like, oh, it’s interesting. The Austrians the people I’m thinking about, they’re the ones who are saying that there’s a problem. You’ve got, you know, the head of the Federal Reserve Ben Bernanke. Keynesian He’s in the middle of the recession. He’s saying no problems are always good here. You know, 12 months later, they admit the recession started three months before, but he said that there was a problem. He said, No smooth sailing. So this is all confirmation for me that Austrian ism is where it’s at. And, again, I’ve got a fair amount of knowledge. Now that’s like, really a decade later, and time has gone on. And I realized, so I can’t Is this the biggest thing hurting society? In the world, like everything, it plagues everything, it causes the wealth gap, it causes the income inequality gap, it causes the growth of government, it causes tyranny. I mean, it’s it’s just permeates everything. The cancer that is on this world is a corrupt money system. That’s the conclusion I get to. And so now I’m like, Okay, well as a, how do I get myself out of the system? I, and how do I get the well, what do I advocate for? Who do I vote for? What steps do I take to try and make a better world, so I can help the world in whatever way I can. And the solution to that corrupt money system at the time is gold, onto the best system and something I learned very, very quickly. I’m not the first person to think of this. Plenty of people have tried to figure this out. And they get punished viciously for it. To give us a couple of highlighted examples, there are plenty of people who are like, who was like, Okay, we need the customer, the population need to escape the fiat system, the US dollar system, they need that we’re never going to do it through Congress, those guys are bought and paid for there’s trillions of dollars on the table. We’re not getting get Congress to help us. So we’re going to work. But how can we just from a bottoms up approach, grassroots? How can we do it, and people come up with things like Liberty dollar, and there’s another website called gold money, they tried to do it. And what they do is they say, Hey, guys, you know, buy gold, send it into our store in the bolt, and you’ll have an account with us. And you know, you’ll have 700 grams of gold and Bob will have 400 grams of gold. And if you are Bob 50 bucks, we can transfer that amount of gold to him. And it’s all done with like an app or an account online or whatever else, we can start to create an alternative money system. And so what I like I said, it’s been tried a number of times before I gave you a couple of examples, a little bit of research tells us what happens is under the guise of it’s being used by criminals, it’s being used to launder money, it’s being used by terrorists, we have to shut it down for your protection, they send in men with guns, police, army, SWAT squad, you name it, they’ll do it, they confiscate all of the gold. So all of the investors lost their money. And the guy who started the idea of trying to make the world a better place, he goes to jail. So and this has happens over and over and over again. And so very clearly I understand this is not going to work they they have their monopoly in this corrupt money system. All the politicians are bought and paid for they own the media, they own all of the apparatuses the, what G Edward Griffin would call a power center in society. So it’s everything from a news organization to Hollywood to you know, to protect their ability to print money out of thin air and have that ability they have bought up the FBI and the CIA and they bought up everything in order to protect it anything that could go after them is not there anymore to go after them it’s it’s in their pocket and so I got through a little bit of a depression at this point this is like a really like the world is corrupt and vicious and I say clearly for what it is and there’s just no way out. And so I can personally buy gold and buy silver and do some things so that my money is not getting depreciated and gold runs up a lot in those years and I’m working kind of well for me. But then I just happened to be hanging out in those libertarian circles hanging out in those Austrian economic circles. Someone brings to me the concept of this digital money Bitcoin and I sadly ego driven I’m like really digital money all I know digital is if it can be copied a million times. So you have an mp3 song and all of a sudden it’s copied a million times. So clearly this isn’t gonna work. But big brain Max I’m feeling all egotistical over here. Tell me about your silly magic internet money Bitcoin so that I can tell you what doesn’t work. And basically over the course of about a month every single question I raise the put the my mentor in the little Bitcoin and got gentleman by the name of trace Mayer, he has an answer for me. And I just go deeper and deeper into this. And it turns out this character of Satoshi Nakamoto has just found something absolutely incredible. He’s managed to create gold, but in a defensible way, when the government says okay, this this is run by criminals and by the way, it’s it’s Bitcoin was originally used by criminals like a big part of the user base. Early on Silk Road, you probably heard about it two dozen 1112 13 It was predominately criminals. So this gives a lot of cover for the government to say this Bitcoin thing is run by criminals. We’ve got to go after them. Now they’re going after them because their competition to their money, but it is standard practice on standard practice was a great choice of words. It is very typical, that it will be criminals because these are the people who are already outside of the system. So if you’re a drug dealer or whatever it is, you you You can’t enforce contracts, you can’t have another contract with another drug dealer. And you can’t go to the courts and say, hey, I want to sue this guy, he breached his contract. They have strict, you know, that’s the reason they have to have gangs to exist to basically enforce their own rules and protocols, and all that kind of stuff. Because they can’t exist inside the system. So they’re the first group of people to get something outside of the system and take on all of those risks. And they did that. And they grew Bitcoin to a sufficient space where it was, they proved that it was defensible, no matter how much they wanted to come and get people, they couldn’t get up, they couldn’t go and round up every drug dealer, they managed to get a big name in, the
gentleman who had created Silk Road, managed to grab him eventually, many years later, but it looked like he was going to be for years, it looked like he was going to be available, like free. Let’s say that that kind of process got us over the big hump. And it proved this defensible. So unlike the gold situation that I talked about before, the men with guns can’t come and steal the gold and put the good guys in jail can’t happen. And that was just a critically important hurdle and part of bitcoins journey. And so I’m sitting there watching it, I’m already a believer that at this stage I am I’m acquiring Bitcoin, and starting to use it and starting to get my head around it. And I had all my questions answered. And that’s where I pretty much become a disciple, it’s proved itself as a chance. And that’s really, I don’t need to be proven to beyond a reasonable doubt that bitcoins going to become the reserve currency of the world at this point. Remember, I’m in a depression for all intents and purposes, I’m a pretty happy person. So my depression wasn’t that deep. So what I mean to make light of a serious word, because I know a lot of people suffer from depression but But you remember, the feeling is quite hopeless. The they’ve got controlled by the media, the politicians, there is no solution to this corruption, we’ve got gold, okay, great. It’s it hasn’t worked. We’ve tried it. The other thing times, it does not work, men with guns will come and steal all the gold. How can we have something that is defensible and exists in the cloud, that all of a sudden, all the men with guns count for zero, and one person at a time from the bottom up, we can just opt out of the system and get out of that corruption. And by the end of this process, and all this learning, I am now a just a rabid disciple of Bitcoin, and start using my my, my hobby was kind of like economics, my skill is as a teacher. And so people kind of gravitated towards me to explain Bitcoin and all of the things that I had to trace explained to me, I found that I could kind of explain them even better than he could explain them. And so I just became a little bit of a thought leader in the space and 2012, none of my back then when my youtube channel blew up as crypto content, and I had the number one best selling book on Amazon, back then in 2013 for for Bitcoin. Now, of course, that means like a couple of 100 copies are sold, because the space was so small, but even today, you know, 10 years later, I hear a lot of people using the arguments that I crafted and wordsmith to help explain people quickly and easily what kind of Bitcoin is. And so that’s kind of the journey. And then the last kind of 10 years, I just, I hope that where I can create educational content where I can on YouTube, people can check that out on notice Contrarian Dude on on YouTube. And so yeah, that’s that’s kind of the journey to date.

George Papp 13:06
Great, excellent. Definitely check his YouTube channel. The contrarian dude, it’s, it’s got some great content, you know, all the way from the from the early days. But yeah, I think I mean, in your opinion, I mean, I know that there’s, there’s a lot of hype now and a lot of fear in the market, in the crypto market. There’s a lot of guys now who are coming out of the woodwork saying, you know, oh, is this thing going? You know, going down? Like, is it you know, basically, is the sort of hype over? And what, what would you say to that, in your, in your own opinion, where the market is right now, where it’s going? And how you see regulation coming in being a hindrance or potentially, you know, holding back some of the, the sort of the developments in crypto going forward?

Max Wright 14:02
Sure. So, so the first part of that question first, personally, no, no harm, no foul in asking those kinds of questions. Is Bitcoin gonna zero? Has it had a stay in the sun? Could it crash? All those questions are valid? I’m a skeptical mind myself. And I appreciate when skeptical minds come in and ask challenging questions. And so these are all great questions that need to be answered. It’s something that you have to answer for yourself. But I can share some of the thoughts that I had around that subject. So I’ve been around since 2012. I miss the first bubble and pop in 2011. I lived through 2013 bubble, two bubbles and pops, I lived through 2017 bubble and living through this bubble on pop 2122. And so I’ve been through a bunch of this, and I can tell you that time in the trenches counts. So back then it was way scarier. And now we’re going through it for a fourth time I’d have absolutely no fear whatsoever, and I sleep soundly having a second Giving and part of my personal wealth in Bitcoin. But I think it’s overcome so many of the big, big challenges. And I guess for people who weren’t around that, like it’s understandable like we’re not going into depth 12 The next thing I saw was like a big disastrous event. And I’m like, oh my god, the world’s falling, this thing could be over. And then someone who was around in 2011 is nothing you should have seen what happened then. And it was was way younger, it was way more fragile. It was way less proven back then. And, you know, we huddling we say, holding on for dear life is the deliberate mispronunciation of holding your Bitcoin. We, it’s not for the faint of heart, and there’s some scary times and I would live through several 80 plus percent draw downs. But with each one, it strengthens your resolve. And you understand that, that, you know, this is this is growing it I, at the end of the day, it’s growing, I don’t think anybody has held Bitcoin for 40 years and lost money, you can hold it and it goes, price goes down and you in the six month 12 months. Occasionally, it happens in the 24 months, it only happened a few times. And I think once that happened, and after 36 months, where you could have bought the exact wrong time. And if you sold 36 months later, you lost but but I think it’s never happened the price has always recovered after four years. And but there’s let me let me steal man the original argument here. Which was what if bitcoin goes to zero? Bitcoin was kind of invented 2009 We don’t really, really see it begin to take shape until kind of 2010 2011 Remember this the last financial crisis 2008 It wasn’t around them. And Bitcoin just hasn’t seen a a long drawn out 2008 global financial crisis situation, when it does is it is it going to have what it takes to get through it. It did get through much 2020 COVID locked down where everything kind of went down, went back up and kind of go through it. But what about a bigger, deeper, longer recession? So in that sense, Bitcoin is unproven. So I just wanted to kind of get that point out there to steal man the question. But having said all that, I know the space very well. I know the clientele very well, I know the different market actors, there are speculators here who don’t know anything about anything, just trying to make money. There are people who treat it like a talk a tech stock, they see the number of users grow on Facebook, and they see the number of users grow on the Bitcoin network. And they say, I’ll just treat it like a tech stock and ride waves, and they buy and sell it for that. But there’s a fairly large cohort of people like me, who really, really, really understand the problems in society, the problem with the existing financial system, the corruption at the central banks all around the world, the poverty and misery and suffering that it causes for the average citizen. And for that, that same American spirit, for lack of a better word, but to be more general to allow the world to participate, that freedom loving spirit that are in the hearts of so many people, it’s the only place to be sovereign, it’s the only place to take the world, in your own hands, it’s the only place to, to have that, that feeling of independence. And so I know there’s a very, very large cohort, like me, who will, the only reason we don’t spend put every penny into Bitcoin, is because we think the other people who might might get scared over the next few months or years, so we can buy a lot more at a cheaper price. And there’s a fairly large cohort of people. And so there are that at some point, we were like, We it’s gone down enough, you know, we could wait a little bit longer than maybe get it at an even lower price. But we just have to start scooping it up now while the price is low. And like I said, it’s a fairly large cohort. And even on these drawdowns, where they go down 50% 60% 80% It’s just us waiting money sitting on the sidelines, I myself, just right now I’m sitting on the sidelines, I think we’re gonna go down a little bit lower. And I’m just waiting to jump in and scoop up at bargain prices. And that’s my mentality. And so I know there’s a fairly large cohort for that. So personally, I know that there will always be a price for Bitcoin. And as long as there is a price, as long as it doesn’t go to zero, some things that couldn’t, if there’s a big bug in the system, if there’s a they do some kind of update, which bitcoin is notoriously very, very slow at making updates, because they test everything for years before they put it out. Other chains who are trying to catch up to Bitcoin, like the theory of the world, no harm no foul on them. I’m not a not a Maxi, built Bitcoin next up by a long stretch, but in order to try and catch up in order to keep ahead of the competition, they’re doing risky, relatively risky things, and they can do things like there’s tax and there’s people people lose money, that’s kind of things the credit says the opposite mentality, it is it is in the lead by so far, and it can be cautious and and it can be deliberate. And the nature in which it was set up is it is very, very slow. So the and the of the likelihood of something like that happening some cataclysmic event like that happening, which would break Bitcoin and send it to zero, I would argue is very, very small and of all the cryptos by orders of magnitude smaller in the world of Bitcoin. And so for me, it’s a very, very small, small risk that that risk of Bitcoin going to zero. And as long as it doesn’t go to zero, then it’s just proved itself over this decade plus timeframe, that it just gets bigger and stronger. And you can all we can look at the numbers day by day, week, by week, month by month, and see that it is attracting more and more people. And that’s because every person that gets into it, one of the best things about Bitcoin is this cool technology. It’s can be explained 50 different ways as a savings vehicle as a payment rail system as a whole bunch of other things, right. And there’s 50 different ways to reach out to the community and say, Hey, come check out this cool new product. But for me, one of the my favorite things about this is no matter why you come, you can become because you think it’s a tech stock, and you see the user base growing, so you want to buy it, you can come because you’re cool. You’re a geek, and you want to geek out at other cool technology that is blockchain, you can come because you’re a drug dealer and you want to sell drugs online at Silk Road, you can come because you’re a monetary theorists like me, doesn’t matter how you get here. Once you’re in here, the community will educate you and teach you why this is so much more than any of those things. This is the solution for humanity to solve our biggest problems in the world. And so that just creates evangelist after evangelists after evangelist and that kind of game theory mentality that’s built into the system, because it is such an incredibly good solution to such a gigantically big problem that affects every, every single person. It just grows and grows and grows. And the number of diehards out there, like myself just gets it just goes up and up over time

George Papp 21:33
really does. It’s like a It’s an amazing effect that’s happened. Soon as you get into crypto, you kind of find out what’s wrong with the current system, and why it was made, in a sense, and what it can bring to the table. So yeah, that happened to me, myself, as well working in investment banking. So it was like, I didn’t even know what it was even when, even in 2017 when we saw Bitcoin go up to 20,000 for the first time, I was just questioning what it was still, you know, just like what is this scan or whatever it is. And then, you know, after a couple of years, you realize I sort of looked into it, and I was questioning more and more how the system was. And yeah, you look and you get deeper and deeper into it. And then you start literally becoming like you said, like an evangelist where you’re, you’re looking to spread and preach to others. Why it’s it’s the solution. And it’s definitely a at least a solution to what’s currently happening out there. And especially now when we’re looking at the most volatile in my opinion time in economics in the mainstream mode. We’re looking at you know, hyperinflation events potentially happening closer to home we’re looking at what was pretty much nearly already there you know, other other issues as well so yeah, we have solutions here we just need to use them and I guess spread the word as well. So I know there’s a lot of guys in the freedom space in crypto who are into privacy coins we’ve spoken to many guys on on the privacy coin space we’ve we’ve you know we know the people at Mineiro and pirate chain I wanted to obviously know what your opinion on these coins are because you’re you cover them a little bit less obviously then then some others in the in the freedoms movement, let’s say who may be prior towards those coins. What are your opinion? What is your opinion on those coins? Compared to Bitcoin?

Max Wright 23:37
Yeah, so I think they’re really interesting. I think there’s a case for both I think that I’m definitely an anti privacy coin for a whole bunch of reasons. But I think maybe it’s just it’ll cut their time will come a little bit later. I think Bitcoin needs to do bit more of its job and a bit more of its heavy lifting first. But then once once we as we get closer and closer to a Bitcoin standard, then the jump from if bitcoin is a serious problem if the government start using Blockchain and the Bitcoin chain to start finding people harassing people whatever the jump from you know, all of the old systems to Bitcoin was so much of a bigger jump than from Bitcoin to another privacy coin or to a privacy coin the speed with which the community they come after Bitcoin and try and shut it down in any way or and start harassing individuals on I can see that you spent $3 on Silk Road or your You You You You pressed you’re a trucker protester for like in Canada didn’t so we’re gonna go and get your your Bitcoin. Now if you hold it in exchanges or whatever, it’s kind of like that’s, that’s tough on you. But if you’re holding your own private keys, and they’re doing forensics research, and then sticking the FBI on to you and like destroying your life because of some stuff, you will need, like half a dozen of those stories. And then all of a sudden, they’ll just be this one or two things. will happen, the Bitcoin community will change his protocol to introduce more privacy, or people will jump ship and move to a privacy coin. I’m not sure which one of those two is, the more likely I suspect the former is more likely, I suspect the Bitcoin code will change, if this becomes that big of a problem, and that will be something interesting to watch play out over time. But before we get there, I just don’t think we’re there quite now. And that we can get there at any time. But, you know, I think it could be that we’re a decade away from that. And during this time, bitcoins gonna explode and other things are not. Because right now, I don’t think there’s a great thirst for privacy in the Bitcoin world. And if once that thirst comes, it’ll interesting to see how we react to either Bitcoin will adapt or will move to privacy coins. But to give you an example of the kinds of people who don’t care about the, the privacy aspect right now, the biggest holder, for example, Milo, Michael, Saylor, and MicroStrategy. He actually wants to everyone to know how Bitcoin he has he tweets about it every other minute, so that you can you can see the reserves, and he wants proof of ownership, he wants you to look at his wallet, stare at his wallet, and know that he has all this Bitcoin that strengthens his balance sheet and things like that, to have proof of funds. So that’s an example of someone where they specifically do not want privacy, they would see privacy coming to the Bitcoin chain as a disadvantage. So it’s only once I think Bitcoin grows to be a bigger and bigger animal than it is, then maybe they start to come after it in different ways. But it would be a foolhardy endeavor, if they tried it, so they may not. But if they did try it, it’s a very small leap, much, much smaller leap than going from Fiat and teaching people that magic internet money is the way you’re gonna be. That’s a huge leap to get to Bitcoin. Once you’re in Bitcoin, Zagat has a problem with the system in some way, shape or form, you may get better security better thing if you either vote for this change in the Bitcoin protocol, or move to this privacy coin is a very, very small leap. And people will do that very, very quickly. And so harassing bitcoin is going to do very, very little. And so that’s kind of my thoughts on on privacy coins, I think a good concept. And I love to see the, the, they’re called alt coins, so or Manero, and pirate coin, all these kind of things, I love to spend, see him out there experimenting, testing things, doing things, trying to break things. And that way, if bitcoin ever wants to adopt some of those things to get more privacy, they have that option up their sleeve? Or maybe the Bitcoin community is too slow to adapt. And then you’ll have Mineiro, or private or any one of these privacy coins overtake Bitcoin? That’s absolutely a possibility. I don’t think it’s true, but it’s a possibility. Another point that should be added in terms of investment and things like that. In order for privacy coins to be a better investment than Bitcoin, it does not necessitate the privacy coins, bro to have your market cap than Bitcoin. If you’re starting at a much lower base, you know, your percentage increase doesn’t is what makes you the money. It’s not whether it’s a bigger chain than Bitcoin or not. So, you know, I’m not saying that it could be that privacy coins could cannot overtake Bitcoin, and don’t even come close to it, and still be a better investment in Bitcoin. So that’s something worthy of noting. So there’s a few different ways to look about I’m not sure if you want to get the philosophical approach to principled approach or the investment approach. But there’s a few different ways to look at it. And those are my thoughts on that.

George Papp 28:21
Yeah. That’s an interesting way of looking at it. I think. It’s true, actually, that it seems like I don’t see, by the looks of things right now. governments aren’t too, let’s say up to speed with how even crypto works properly. At this moment in time, however, the I know, Blockchain analysis and all this stuff is definitely getting larger and larger and more sophisticated. So I think that’s where maybe at some point, yes, you know, they could start harassing people for, you know, their transactions, because it is transparent. But there’s definitely a use case for transparent blockchains in my opinion, for sure. A lot of I don’t advocate just for private just using private blockchains is certainly use cases for transparent blockchains especially in like, you know, whether you believe in in a government government system in itself, but if we had a transparent blockchain, which is viewable by all public individuals on potential tax expenditure, for example, are where our money actually even goes, whether you believe in tax or not, let’s say, at least we would know exactly where everything’s going rather than right now. We don’t really know where any of our money’s really going to. In regards to tax expenditure, let’s be honest. So there are certainly and that’s only one use case. Really, there’s so many. But yeah, I agree. I think they could definitely coexist. I think there’s use cases on an investment side as well, for sure. Bitcoin is a stable, you know, the sort of granddaddy of crypto And you know, institutions are definitely buying it up first. So I think, you know, having wealth in there is certainly, you know, people a lot of people say it’s too expensive now and you know, it’s too late, but we’re looking to preserve our wealth as well. In a world where you know, inflation is eating up all your all your tradition, traditional fiat money. Certainly having it in Bitcoin is certainly much better than that as an option. So I mean, yeah, thanks for that. And I guess what is your, your thoughts on the future of mainstream economics? Because I know, there’s going to be massive changes, we’re looking at potential CBDCs, which was a conspiracy theory a few years ago. Now, it’s openly being talked about, in regards to potential digital dollar digital euros, or these types of currencies? How do you see this playing out? In your opinion, where, you know, we could potentially have CBD C’s and crypto almost at the same time? Or do you see like, government trying to outlaw crypto or just over regulate it to bring in CBDCs? How do you see it all working out? In that sense?

Max Wright 31:13
Yeah, and I’m sorry, you had you asked about regulation earlier, the part to your question, I forgot to go back to it. So I can do that now. So yeah, similarly, seeds are coming for sure. You say see, I used to be a conspiracy theory. Are there any conspiracy theories left? I mean, I used to believe in all of them. Now. They’re all I’m trying. I’m trying to come up with one. There’s like they’ve all been proven true at this point. Yeah. So okay, so yeah, CBDCs are coming for sure. And that’s, I mean, it’s just common sense. It’s just a, I’m not a fan of central bank currencies. But if you’re gonna have one, it’s more efficient and better to have these digital ones and running around and like armored trucks and running the ATMs and all this kind of nonsense. So of course, that’s coming. That’s just common sense. So we’re gonna have them? Are they gonna have nefarious things built in extra tracking? All those kind of things? I mean absolutely why not? They’re gonna build it. So why would they build it to have their dream spy state, I’m sure they are going to have all of those things. I do think they’ll, what’s the word, they will be side by side for some time, until eventually, I think Bitcoin kills them, or just no one wants the fiat currency. But yeah, that I mean, those things, those things will be there, and they will be around for a long time, and they’ll live side by side. And personally, I think it’s a good thing. Like, I think it speeds up the adoption of Bitcoin. As people get used to their the, the, the, the digital money, once they’re used to digital money, once again, it’s now a very small leap to move over to Bitcoin, because they’re used to the concept, they’re used to an online wallet. They’re just they’re used to it. And so that’s a very important thing. I know. People say so you know, like foreign currencies now, have these elaborate counterfeiting measures, the notes are different sizes, different colors, it also helps for the, for blind people, they can feel what note it is, depending on the size of it, and the texture and all these different things built into for the dead stitches, you’ll notice that the US dollar is in the greenback so stayed the same largely over the decades, but I had any of these cool features. And we’ve run out of the reason why. And it’s because it is basically because it would there’s a chance that it could hurt the people’s faith in dollars. So is it straight up marketing principle. So in order to keep people’s faith in the US dollar, as they keep these, these notes in one of the very old technology, they don’t put any of the new technology into the US paper currency anymore. And so there’s a little bit of a catch 22 For them, like they’re gonna have to move to this digital currency is that going to boost or lower, you know, the normies faith in the US dollar, argue it’s going to lower their faith in the US dollar, that’s, that’s what I would suggest, then all of a sudden, that that has a cost to them as well, that drives even more people to Bitcoin. So a lot of these things about the CBDCs, I think are going to be very, very good for Bitcoin, are gonna exist in tandem for quite a while, I would suggest, and that’s okay. Like I’m perfectly okay with that. So bring it on help help speed on the adoption of Bitcoin by bringing on CBDCs. We’ve talked about regulation a little bit, I can jump track to go over there. I think a few questions ago, you asked the question, I forgot to answer it, which was one of the big things that that kind of need to happen and what’s going on in that world of regulation. So I think one of the biggest things, holding back the big institutional money coming into that is a rule, a silly guideline by the IRS, which is how you have to define this and how you have to market on your balance sheet. And basically, you can buy, let’s say, a billion dollars with a Bitcoin and then by the laws released to Fortune 500 companies and all the laws, the SEC is and somewhere in that rigmarole of

law, like that, the word escapes me somewhere in that rigmarole of all that law. The way the CFOs have to mark that on their sheet, is they have to market that the value of their coins or their Bitcoin at the market as The lowest value ever was. So if you go and buy a billion dollars with a Bitcoin, and the price goes down as a gift, you want to go through a 50% drawdown. So now he’s sitting on half a billion dollars with a Bitcoin, and then the price skyrockets, right 20x. And so now you’re sitting on $10 billion of Bitcoin, when you report that to your shareholders and things on your balance sheet, you have to report it at the lowest price it was in its entire life while you held it, which is you got $10 billion worth of bitcoin, but you have to report to your shareholders that you have half a billion dollars worth of bitcoin. And so this is really, really hurting people, you’ve got companies when they held their cash that is reported as its actual value. And so you’ve got apples and you think on $200 billion cash plus, they’re watching it melt like an ice cube through inflation. But at least they have a pristine balance sheet. So when they go to borrow money, they get it at the rates at really good rates, because their their balance sheet is pristine, if they look to convert that to Bitcoin. Now, all of a sudden, the way they have to report that is on their balance sheet, the lowest price that ever was at anytime during the time they held it. And it really hurts their balance sheet, it changes how much they can borrow money from in the future and things like that. So that is a really, really big fool in the system there. That just means people cannot hold the Bitcoin in a good and easy way. And so the big institutional money, the corporations, that’s really holding them back. So that’s why I would say number one thing to fix, if we’re going to put pressure on the government to try and fix things, that would be number one. Number two, is you really got to help the SEC approve an ETF spot ETF. So at the present, there’s a futures based ETF, which I was extremely skeptical of at the time, and still am. And I still think there’s a lot of question marks over it. So a little bit of history.

The for the gold and silver prices have been, in my opinion manipulated for a very long time on the futures market. So the futures market, the gold and silver is bought and sold in huge quantities way more than even exists every single day. And so there’s a lot of people wanting exposure to the gold price, you know, I think they’re printing too much money, I want to hedge against inflation, I’m gonna go and buy $500,000 worth of gold or silver, people don’t actually get to buy gold and silver because it’s expensive to transport too expensive to secure. You gotta hire security guards to stare at it, not to get it stolen, or pay some other company to do it. And so what they do is they trade on the futures market, they buy and sell gold there. Well, the problem is on the futures market, because you’re not taking possession of gold or silver. What they can do is if there’s a huge demand for gold, there can be some some banks or some cronies on the other side, saying I’ll sell you gold, and I’ll eat the price. If the price goes up, I’ll eat it, so you’ll get your profit, but you never had to actually take the gold. And so what they can do is they can sell an infinite amount of paper gold to stop the buying pressure of gold going up. Right lots of buyers come in the price should go up with a limited supply. The problem is they can sell paper gold, like there’s pallets and pallets and pallets of paper saying that you know where the other side of this bed and at the price of gold goes up? No worries, we will lose a bit of money we’ll pay it we’re making way more money over here with the fiat money system so we can afford these losses just to keep the system alive. And gold the gold price can’t go up the silver price can’t go up. And that gold is typically the canary in the coal mine that lets you know inflation is out of control. People do not trust the central banks and you need to get out of fiat money and into gold. And so a lot of people want to get into gold they get into gold but the price doesn’t go up because they just bought paper just paper was sold paper gold was sold. And that’s it. And so they can control the gold market and have done for many decades on the futures market. So what are the SEC do they have the world begging for a spot price Bitcoin ETF meaning the you buy the in that you buy money into the ETF? The ETF goes and buys the Bitcoin? And at the end of that if you want to redeem it, you can say send me the Bitcoin don’t just send me the cash payment send me the Bitcoin and it actually take supply out of the market. They said no, we’re not going to approve that kind of ETF we’re going to approve a futures based needs its paper contracts going back and forth. Which same problem people institutions make the man inflation is a problem I want to scoop up Bitcoin, huge demand coming in, they want that the price should go up. But the the futures market is just selling paper on the other side and not giving them the real Bitcoin. Because the futures market is not redeemable in actual Bitcoin. You can’t say give me the Bitcoin at the end, you just say give me the dollars value of my profit at the end. And so I was extremely skeptical of it. I remain extremely skeptical of it. I don’t think they’re going to release a Bitcoin spot price ETF particularly soon, exactly. Because of this, we need to put a lot of pressure on them to do that. Fortunately, several other countries around the world have done that. And that’s a really good thing. Australia has it. I think Brazil has it. Canada has it. Some countries in Europe have it. So there are spot ETS there. And so that’s all kind of kind of really, really interesting and productive. And one more final thought on all this kind of topic is I will talk about game theory a little bit. We now have to Countries very, very small token countries. One, I never even heard of that it was the central Republic of Congo Central Africa, I forget. Thank you very much. You know, national GDP, I believe $2 billion. We’ve got El Salvador that was the other one was the first one, GDP $10 billion. The two, this is this is game theory, this is how it starts. And one by one, you’re just gonna see more and more sovereign states, more and more companies, more and more individuals come on. Because I mean, the reason they came on is because, again, theory, they saw people like me buying in 2012, and seeing the price go up 10,000%. And they went like, this is worth putting 1234 5% of my portfolio into that. Let’s give me some of that. And that’s how it grows. So I’m really excited by that game theory playing out that the longer you wait, the worse is going to be for you, the earlier you get in, the better it’s going to be for you. And it’s true for individuals, states, companies, etc. And right now, we’re just watching that game theory play out over many years.

George Papp 41:00
Yeah, it’s really interesting about, obviously, Central African Republic and, and El Salvador, obviously, I think we can see more and more nations will adopt Bitcoin. Let’s see how the world takes it. It obviously needs to have more, we need to inform more people and definitely spread the sort of education to more and more people to adopt it for themselves as well. And to really know the reason why, because there’s still a lot of people out there who are, who are buying, I don’t know, Shiba Inu to make some money, because they thought that, you know, it will do what Dogecoin did these sort of things, we need to sort of try and just educate a little bit, obviously, that there’s nothing wrong with someone trying to make some money, but knowing the reasons why it can really, really change the world. And that sort of message needs to be spread unless that’s what we’re doing here. Yeah, so I guess let’s move on slightly to, to your work. So the Success Council just wanted to, I guess, touch upon what what you’re doing there and what it aims to do. And and yeah, the work that you’re doing?

Max Wright 42:12
Yeah, so I’m in the Success Council was founded in 2012. And it’s basically designed to teach people how to protect and grow their wealth during very, very uncertain times. And basically, during the times of going out of control central bank, and all over the world, the central banks are out of control and printing. And so all this inflation that we’re seeing in America is quite bad. And the rest of the world, it’s even worse, for the most part. All this stuff was very, very predictable. And it’s not because of greedy corporations, group corporations didn’t get greedy in 20,020 22. They were always greedy. So it’s not that it’s just it’s very obvious what it is because it was easily predicted by the Austrian economists, which is it was the money printing, the government’s the central banks just printed money when that money enters into the into the economy, it causes inflation. And so what does that do, it causes this massive roller coaster ride at this huge spike up in prices and assets. And then there’s these big crashes, and then there’s back and forth. And so the success council was was built to basically teach people exactly what is happening, what is going to happen. And then to help them understand how the financial system works. So all of a sudden, they can see it’s like, oh, this is this is what’s going to happen, that asset class is going to go up, that asset class is going to fold down. And so it’s a really a way to just kind of protect your wealth as a bare minimum and grow your wealth. And what we’ve been able to be very good at at success counsel is jumping from asset class to asset class at the right time. And I just call this basically swimming with the current as an investor. So you know, you don’t want to if you’re a fantastic real estate broker or builder or whatever, you can make money in any market. But you didn’t need to be really on the top of your game to make money in a down market. And that’s true for stock trading. It’s true for everything, you can make money in any market everywhere. But I just figured out early, it was better to take a step back, not be the world’s greatest real estate guy, don’t be the world’s greatest crypto guy, not be the world’s greatest stock market guy. But take a step back, understand the macro economic situation, and understand which asset class was gonna go up in which class the class was gonna go down. And that way I could avoid those big pitfalls when the market crashes. And I don’t need to be a particularly great trade or anything, just by knowing which way the currents going, I can always know and swim with the current. That way, I don’t have to be the strongest swimmer to make a lot of money. And that’s just having one skill in macro economics has really helped me become very, very wealthy. And so I just wanted to share that knowledge and give people my framework. And so we teach people that with a newsletter and we teach people that with my YouTube channel, and so if people want to work from that, they’re more than welcome to follow me on YouTube and kind of go from there.

George Papp 44:36
Excellent. Yeah. So you will have all the links to the success Council in our show notes as well for everyone to to check out how you I guess personally preparing for I guess, the coming decades. Obviously, there’s a lot of volatility, the potential Great Reset of of what seems to be in the plans. So I guess Just what your personal preparations are, if any, currently in regards to that, I mean, are you preparing geographically, potentially just just you’re just moving your wealth out of the system? Just little sort of, I guess, strategies that you’re currently putting in place, if any, again, like I said, in regards to this.

Max Wright 45:22
Sure, you mentioned a couple of key ones there. But a big one, I absolutely believe that. No, there’s no price, where like, splits, sometimes I believe we’re in an absolute peak, at the top of the market, Bitcoin is going to crash and go down for a couple of years. If you don’t have any bitcoin, I still buy some bitcoin today, you’ll probably lose some money but buy it. And the reason is, things can turn on a dime. And there can be food shortages, there can be government crackdowns, they can be whatever. And even if your country is what seems like a really stable first world country, economic crisis can cause crazy things very quickly. And desperate governments do desperate things. You know, you see it in other places all the time. Like, if people like in Venezuela, people in Zimbabwe, people in Turkey, people in Ukraine, you know, when the Russians marched across the border, everyone left everything, all the money in the bank accounts gone, their home, gone, their car, their assets gone, if there had gold and silver, they could take what they could carry, and no more. That’s it, it’s gone. The one thing they could take was a thumb drive or a phrase in their head, and they could have had any amount of wealth Bitcoin with them. And it’s going to work anywhere in the world within like an hour, they can you try to use that Bitcoin to kick out back into cash and be buying food. So for absolutely everybody, it is an essential part of being a a nimble person, and going to deal with any crisis, you have to have some cryptocurrency that’s just an absolute must. On that front, next, what personal things, so actually, I’ll touch on travel first, just hat being someone who’s capable of change is a powerful thing. And I spent my 20s basically traveling all over the world, I have children now a little less mobile, haven’t traveled for a few years, but I have all those skills. And if I needed to pick my family up, take, you know, millions of dollars worth of my wealth, we could relocate in a day. And we would be very, very fine. So we’re very, very nimble. And there’s something that I worked on for decades with this in mind. And I’m very, very comfortable with my level of nimbleness in this way. And so I highly recommend people do that. Now, having said that, I also believe in the there has to be somewhere better to go to. And so I I’m nimble in case of that kind of emergency. But I also choose to position myself in a place where I think is great. I choose to position was and I have a lot of, it’s a good place to stay. For me, I have backup food at home, it’s like it’s been it’s been a grand or two. And have you know, there’s lots of companies out there who do long term food storage, just like freeze dried stuff, you buy it, it’s been a great honor to sit in a cupboard there for 20 years. And if there’s ever a food shortage, you know, you can eat for three months, six months, 12 months, however much it is You by knowing those situations that, you know, things can get hairy. And gangs can roam around looking for because they didn’t prepare. So they want to get out, look for the easy targets and steal things. So make sure that you know as long as within the law, you are armed. So have your guns, have your bullets, and all that kind of thing. So all these kinds of things just play into a preparedness mindset. And I’ve kind of done all of those things. Honestly, I did them all, like 15 years ago. And so I don’t think about them that much anymore. I just I know I’m in a very defendable position, I know that I can, I’m nimble if I need to leave, I’m strong if I need to stay. And I don’t really spend too much time thinking about it and spent a year or two kind of learning about things and implementing some of the strategies. And then I just put it away and have peace of mind on it. Think about it. So that’s kind of where I am with all of those things.

George Papp 48:35
Yeah, not being in fear of what’s what could happen is another one, just that self work still is one of those key things of not being a failure, prepare. Never be in the fear, the fear zone, because that can really paralyze you and probably make the wrong decisions. So yeah, no, thanks very

Max Wright 48:54
critically important. So and then a little bit to help with that. It’s just a thought that kind of helped me with that sunny kind of, kind of same concept. Humanity is gonna go on, right, no matter what, no matter how disaster it is, humanity is gonna go on. And, like, let’s like the worst, worst, worst, most doomsday crazy situation ever, is like half the population is perished somehow starve to death or whatever? Well, in order for you to be a survivor in that situation, and to come out and thrive, you need to be in the top 50% of human beings on the planet in terms of preparedness, resources, skills, mental health, physical health, etc. So most people in the first world can do that very, very quickly and easily. And so it’s a really, really soothing, calm thought. So once you get down this rabbit hole, and you start thinking about the threats, it’s very easy to get overwhelmed. Put yourself in a depression, put yourself in a tough place. And so just remind remember that you know, you live in the first world you’re doing just fine. And things are going to be okay, let’s just take the simple steps to make things a little better.

George Papp 49:55
That’s right. So yeah, that’s why we’re here is to make the world a better place. So, one of the podcasts was started I’m sure that’s why that’s why success council was started is to help people just you know, prepare for these types of moments and save their wealth basically. Excellent. Well, thanks. Thanks, Max for joining me today and I look forward to having you on in the future potentially. Some new projects, even on our side on your side to discuss make sure you subscribe to the podcast on iTunes or Spotify plus, obviously if you’re interested in checking out all of Max’s, Max’s stuff on success Council, we will have the links here in the show notes. So definitely check that out. So excellent peace and love to you. Thanks for listening.

Interview with Mike Cobb: Ready Made Autonomous Properties in Latin America

George Papp 0:08
Hi, welcome to the Conscious Renegade Podcast with me, George Papp, helping you to be the change you wish to see in the world.

Today, we’re joined by Mike Cobb of ECI development. And we’ll be discussing Alternative Living solutions to free people from the current system and coming Great reset updates from our side. I mean, we’re currently doing a new membership for our crypto animus members. We’ve got some subscribers going now, and we’re looking to really get the dashboard created. So keep a lookout for that in the coming weeks. So yeah, thanks, Mike, for coming on. And I guess how are you?

Mike Cobb 1:06
Good, George, I’m nice. I’m really happy to be here and be able to cash and have a good conversation. Because the I think, I think we, we we share a lot of similar thoughts and, and, and concerns made, but to be able to talk about these and ideas that people can address those concerns and resolve some of them. It’s, it’s, I expect it to be a very hopeful and encouraging conversation.

George Papp 1:36
Yeah, I think the the main aim is to give solutions, and the main aim at the end is to give hope, because there’s always a way out. And there’s always a way, I believe this is actually a choice anyway, in this potential game that we’re living in life. I think we have that choice. I think it’s just finding those solutions. And obviously people like yourselves who are offering that. You know, it’s great to have you on and to discuss that with our audience here. And yeah, so it’s a pleasure to have you want. So yeah, I guess the first thing is your story before we go into ECI. And what it is, and what it does, I guess your story on, on how you got to where you are now. And where you know, how well was the aha moment in regards to I need to do something in regards to sort of Alternative Living?

Mike Cobb 2:27
Well, you know, it’s interesting. So I grew up in Northwest Pennsylvania in the country. And so I’ve always been I was out. And so I’ve always really had this, this notion of, you know, preparedness resiliency, right? I mean, you know, if you’re out in the country, you know, yeah, you have your neighbors and community is really important. And when we talk a lot about that, and we do a lot of that as a business, right. But you know, you’re kind of on your own a little bit. And so this idea of being prepared and having resiliency, I guess I agree with it, right, so So I think, you know, I got it from a very, very early age. And, you know, as I grew up and went to college, and after college, got into the business world, I was in the computer business, in the Washington DC area for about 13 years, and, you know, really hit it hard, I was working for somebody else. And, and but I always knew that I wanted to kind of, you know, be an entrepreneur and, and so when I started traveling down to Belize, in 1994, and seeing opportunities to serve clients in a way that they weren’t being served here in Belize early and then other countries of Central America, but what I found was, you know, there were ways to serve people who wanted to be in this part of the world, that would give them the comfort that they needed and expected, you know, from, let’s say, a North American standard type of product, but within a greater framework of community, really, really important. But then obviously, you know, this, this idea of of resiliency brought into it as well and, and so over the years, we’ve been in business now 26 years, what we’ve really is an evolution of our ability as a company to provide this community first and foremost, because while we you know, I think a lot of us maybe like to believe that we’re you know, rugged individualists. Right. I mean, and I think that’s, that’s a real term and, and many of us see ourselves that way. It’s certainly been the culture of, you know, Northern Europe and North America for you know, a few 100 years right, this rugged individualist, pioneering and those kinds of things, but the notion of community is also very, very relevant and probably much more relevant, relevant than this, this individualism right. But but the to hang together very, very well because personal responsibility is a critical element of, of independence and freedom. And I would say that personal responsibility is actually The flip side of the Freedom coin, right? If we want freedom, we have to have personal responsibility. And that generally is individually driven. But when we’re in communities, it gives us a lot more capacity. You know, it’s the idea of plus three is six, but three times three is nine, or four plus four, I mean, the more you get, the bigger the multiplier, right? And so community lets us leverage our individual talents in ways that we can’t. And so the company has really evolved and our mission, as an organization has changed over time, to really serve a consumer mostly out of North America, maybe, you know, 80%, say, of our clients come out of North America, who are looking for something very, very different, they’re looking for, and in some ways, an escape from the nanny state right to be able to live free or be free or be more free. But these folks also tend to be very adventurous souls, right? People who are thinking about moving overseas are adventurous. So when you blend in this desire to, to, to have resiliency to have alternatives to maybe some concerns that we see as, as, as North Americans in this case, and then to be able to have options and alternatives. So that’s really the evolution of our business. And in the last five years, what we’ve also seen as a technological revolution, that allows products like solar like battery, I mean, in the last five years, the solar and battery technology has just leaps and bounds over where it was, you know, 510 years ago. And so so now you’re starting to blend in a technological evolution, or maybe even revolution on these elements. And when all three of them come together, you’ve got a very, very powerful synthesis for an alternative way of living an alternative location of living, and an alternative type of community living in and around other folks who are adventurous, want that resilient lifestyle? And so, so that’s really been the evolution of me personally, but also the evolution of of our business, and how they integrate.

George Papp 7:17
Yeah, I mean, there must have been a lot more demand for your products. So we’ll go into them shortly. But there must have been a lot more demand in the last couple of years. A lot of people obviously have noticed, much more, maybe not even nanny state anymore. It’s more of a, like a Nazi state. But let’s say, you know, I think there must be a lot more demand. And I think we’ll need to go into how easy it is for people to to actually make this move, because it can be easier than you think, in my opinion. So I guess, I guess what is what is ECI? In a very basic nutshell, a lot of people may not have heard of you guys in regards to what you you actually provide. So yeah, just a very brief overview on what ACI development is, and and some of your products.

Mike Cobb 8:07
Yeah, well, let me touch on something first, because I think your your point about a Nazi state or police state, whatever we want to call it, I mean, it the technological abilities of Big Brother, again, leaps and bounds 10 years ago, you know, we didn’t really, you know, we didn’t really see it, it wasn’t so apparent, it was happening, right? I mean, they’re building these giant supercomputer centers in Utah and other places. And I mean, and, you know, NSA has been, you know, figuring out how to crack every code there is and store information to monitor every phone call every email, you know, every everything, right? And so, artificial intelligence, on that side of things has become far more sophisticated. And then obviously, the storage capacity to do that, likewise. And, and even if we just look at things like the medical, right, the artificial intelligence overlaid on top of the metadata that’s been collected by private companies, right, you know, all the different search engines and another, Facebook and Tik Tok and Twitter and all those search engines, but you know, the social media platforms, right? So there’s an incredible amount of metadata that’s been collected, overlaid with the sword official intelligence that’s just getting incredibly sophisticated. And so this is all happening and we’ve known it’s been happening or leaks about this and leaks about that, and we’re listening to the Germans and they’re upset and you know, right. I mean, there’s all this stuff going on. But but it wasn’t until people were really forced to you know, be locked down right, close their businesses and and get vaccinated or face significant penalties. cannot fly on an airplane. If you don’t wear a mask. You cannot. Canada was much worse. I mean, I think if you don’t get vaccinated, you can’t get on public transportation or these kinds. of things right? And and so you had this incredible top down imposition of, of, of, of rules, laws, regulations, while at the same time people could very visibly see the hypocrisy of the leaders who are enforcing it without their masks, right. And so I think that that juxtaposition of this police state kind of imposition of many things, while the leadership because masks are easy, like you can’t tell if somebody’s been vaccinated or not right that you can’t see that. But you can tell if Nancy Pelosi is not wearing a mask when she’s getting your hair done for John Kerry sing on an airplane without a mask, right? Or, you know, Governor Newsom is out at the French Laundry in his fancy dinner with his friends and standing up and talking without a mask, but anyone else would get, you know, harassed or or, you know, they arrested some paddleboard or out in the Pacific Ocean out all by himself in the Pacific Ocean, because he was violating a stay at home mandate. You know, I mean, like, I’m sure the Coast Guard and police spent, you know, 10s of 1000s of dollars, if not $100,000 to send a boat into arrest this man, right? So, so so so you have this police state, but then you also have the hypocrisy of the leaders and with social media and the very visual nature of these impositions. Now, all of a sudden, people became aware of it in a big way. And so to answer the question, you ask George, yes, yes, our business grew five fold from 2019. We’re at about three and a half million dollars in sales. Last year, we were just under 25,000,024. point something. So our business went from three and a half to 25, in a two year period. And it was largely driven by people who had that not a sense, let me just call it a cent or paying attention. But it didn’t, didn’t feel so urgent, right? Maybe there was smoke, I couldn’t see the fire. But there was smoke blown and right over the over the over the ridge, right? All of a sudden, when the flames are burning across the ridge and coming down, like there’s a sense of urgency. And so yes, we we we saw a tremendous amount of action, people taking action, on on concerns that they’ve been harboring for a long time. But kind of May at that low level, kind of this isn’t great, I’m not liking it too. Holy crap, I gotta get out of here. Or at least I gotta get a plan B, some people were moving. Some people are making a plan B, and a plan B, probably probably a third of the people moving maybe a quarter of the people moving. And

you know, two thirds, three quarters, making what I call as a Plan B, which is you get a residency overseas, which again, we’ll talk about how easy that is very easy. And get residence, condo, a home, whatever overseas, so that you’re prepared, right. And if you want to use it as a vacation property, use it as a vacation property, if you want to put it in a rental program, put it a rental program, right? Or if you actually want to move into it now or have it for an emergency. And in the future. You have it right. So so so this has dramatically risen in terms of the amount of people doing it. But but also it is fairly easy. And it’s fairly affordable. It’s a lot more affordable than most people think it is. And we can go anywhere on that particular element that you want to go. George, I just want to stop and make sure I answered your question. Because I did run a I did run a trail out there. So I hope I got back to I hope I got back to what you asked.

George Papp 13:33
Yeah, you definitely did. I think the interesting thing is that we needed to have to be forced to Well, I will say a lot of people had to sort of be forced to make the change now. I guess if it wasn’t affecting your life before, like all these sorts of mandates and stuff now obviously are affecting people’s lives. But previously, you know, things were going on in the background, and it wasn’t actually in the for, for everyone to see really. And now obviously is it’s basically there for everyone to see all these sorts of these sort of technocratic, you know, communistic sort of things. And that’s kind of made people make the change they needed to do in their lives. And it’s in a sense, it’s been a real positive for me. I mean, it’s, it’s, I guess, hard to say that when you see a lot of suffering elsewhere, but I know that there’s a lot of people who have actually taken this as a positive and and actually changed their lives. It definitely happened for myself. So yeah, I guess moving on to BCIs properties because I know you’ve you’ve got communities in different sort of countries in Central America. What are the dynamics of the properties because I’ve seen some tiny homes. I guess how self sufficient are they and is there a sort of banding where you can have you know, as self sufficient as anything, so basically you are basically just fully self sufficient to some that are on grid or are they all fully self sufficient properties? What about the sizes of the properties? Are they all tiny homes? Or are there a lot of sort of other options as well? Yeah, just to sort of go over some of the properties and the areas that you’re in as well.

Mike Cobb 15:22
Sure. So, so let me let me start at the, at the big picture and work my way to, you know, specific products, right. You know, what we’ve learned over 26 years of being in business is that, you know, the different strokes for different folks, right? Some people are beach people, that’s fine, that’s good. But in Central America, you actually have three diff, totally different kinds of beach, you’ve got Caribbean, which is the under standard white sand 16 colors of blue water, blah, blah, blah, you’ve got Atlantic, which is, you know, again, the white sand for bigger waves, but it’s Atlantic Ocean. And then you’ve got Pacific Ocean, which are the big waves. And each of them are very different. And each of them have a very different feel. So even if you said, Well, I’m a beach person, you still have to kind of decide what kind of beach Do you really want, right? Because you have choice. Some people say, Well, I’m not really a beach person, I’m more of a mountain person I want to live where it’s springtime all the time, right? And so those climate types are very special, in fact that they’ve actually been probably the earliest biggest draws to places like Costa Rica, and Mexico with you know, waddle, ahora, San Miguel, Central Valley of San Jose, Costa Rica, the Central Valley. Again, these were places that people flocked to Cuenca, Ecuador, Medellin, Colombia, because it’s springtime all the time. So it’s not at the beach. It’s in the highlands. But it’s cool, cool weather. Right? And, and so, again, different climate types sort of drive different people’s interest, right? What do you like? And then then there’s the notion of, do I want to live in a city? Okay, fine. Do you want to live in a modern city? Or would you rather live in an old historic colonial city? Or do you want to live in a town? Right, because that’s a choice to? Or do you wanna live at a resort setting? Right? A lot of people wanna live in a resort setting, they want a golf course they want tennis courts, right. Other people say, You know what, I just want to farm out the middle of nowhere, right? So again, we serve, we serve many of those one on sort of all of those, but I bring them up to this particular, you know, discussion, because it’s really important for for folks to understand that, that that moving overseas, it really can be almost anything you can mix and match. You can have an old colonial city at the ocean, Cartagena, Colombia, you can have an old colonial city up in the mountains where it’s springtime all the time, Quake Ecuador, you could say well, I like that it’s always springtime, but I want to modern city, Medellin, Colombia. Well, I want to modernity at the beach. Oh, Panama City. Somebody says I love Phoenix. I love the desert. I really wish I could have desert at the beach. No problem, Cabo San Lucas, Mexico, right? Or, oh my gosh, I love Key West or I love you know, I love you know, the Turks and Caicos or Cayman Islands, but my gosh, I can’t afford $2 million. Great ambergris key Belize, it’s the Caribbean, it’s, it’s, you know, it’s Cayman Islands and British Virgin Islands for for, you know, 25% the price, right? I mean, a quarter of the price. So, again, we can kind of mix and match as consumers what we want and we can largely find it in Central and South America. So what we’ve done is today, and we started in Belize, 26 years ago, we we bought our first property in Nicaragua in 2000. We have property in Costa Rica, we have two properties in Panama. But we have a third in acquisition in Panama right now. All very different. And we have a new acquisition in progress right now in El Salvador at at El Zonte Bitcoin Beach. And, and that one is a little bit different. I mean, it’s it’s a Pacific Ocean surfing destination, but the community there will be a community of Bitcoiners and it’s being built specifically with our

partner there Mike Peterson, the godfather of Bitcoin in El Salvador. He’s the guy that got it all started there. He is our business partner, and we’re going to build a community not so much for geography per se, but for the Bitcoiners who want to in our three 350 addresses between condos homes and tiny homes right to build a village for people who are true Bitcoin maximalist, right I want to be around other people who love Bitcoin. I want to be around my tribe, so to speak. So sometimes you’re talking about a weather or or if diving in ambergris key Belize or surfing say at Gran, Pacifica, or climate type. That’s something I use. Sometimes you have those poles, in this case in El Zonte, Bitcoin Beach. It’s a tribe of Bitcoiners. And so being able to build communities for these various interests is important. Um, and so, you know, I’m gonna use our grand Pacific it just for a minute, because I think it’s the broadest of property options. So we have everything from a large home site estate, home sites and acre on the Pacific Ocean, to these tiny homes. And so the tiny homes, by the way, are 100 150 yards from the Pacific Ocean, but they start about $135,000. So you can actually have a whole home 150 yards from the Pacific Ocean for $135,000. Right, that’s a tiny home, we have I’m gonna call moderately sized homes, 12 1500 square feet, homes on the water, ocean front on the Pacific, for about $400,000. If you want one of these one acre estate lots and build them a million dollar house, you can do that. As well. But and then we have other homes that kind of range from say 150 to about 300,000 on, you know, whatever, between six, seven acre and quarter acre home sites. So it’s the whole range of things. But we have 2500 acres, we’ve got, I’ll make up a number, maybe 25 acres right now in various fruit producing species, whether it’s mangoes, sour orange, Noni. And we have several other species as well, that we have already planted as orchard fruit producing, we have probably 100 acres of corn and sorghum in season, that’s on the property, it’s continually farmed. We have some cattle on the property as well. And we just at the behest of some of our residents who have moved to grant but we have 100, we have about 100 homes under construction at this moment. And about 30 folks have moved and are renting homes in anticipation of their home being completed and then moving into their new home, we have about 30 folks that have done that. And at their behest, we’ve actually created to what I’m going to call a truck truck farm. I don’t know what else to call it. But vegetable garden kind of plots large I mean, a couple acres total of a vegetable garden, in addition to all the other agricultural elements, the tiny homes are all solar, we do run freshwater to them. And and we have one neighborhood that’s 100% solar, as well with with 1500 to about 3000 square foot homes. So it is very possible. And that’s sort of been that leap in technology, right, five, eight years ago, probably would have been a lot harder to really do big homes with solar. And get your carrying capacity through the night, you’d have to have giant banks of batteries. And now that’s shrinking of course. So. So again, we offer a very broad range of products, both from price, say, under 150,000. To a million. Right. And then the other thing what we’re doing in Nicaragua is we’re in acquisition of a couple farms close to grant Pacifica, maybe three, four miles away, where people could actually own between 10 and 15 acre farm parcels where you know that they would be you know, they could they could, you know, farm kind of pretty much anything on you know, 10 to 15 acres, whatever grows in Nicaragua, but corn, soybean, sorghum, other other crops, rice grows very well. So again, this would be these would be very, very resilient, agriculturally food resilient home sites that people could have. But even inside grand Pacific, we have a large degree of resiliency, with what we already have there. So did that answer their question, George? Again, I’m I run, I run long trails, and I think I’m covering stuff. But if I miss something, please bring it out. And let me know.

George Papp 23:48
No, you definitely since you’ve answered a few of the questions, actually, that I had. But I think, you know, I didn’t actually I was actually unaware of the fact that you guys did agriculture as well, and farming, which I was, which is, which is great. Because really, this sounds like an all in one solution for someone. You know, basically, it’s just almost like a ready made exit plan. And I think this is very important for people to know that there is this option out there. And there’s obviously a growing need to sort of move away from potentially big cities. I know you can cater for that. But I guess there’s a growing need, at least in the West to move out of those types of places to decentralize your food. decentralize your energy, especially now, as we continue moving forward. There are preconceptions in the West as well about the types of how central America is in regards to how the people are we, we know most of that is kind of propaganda. I guess any comments on like, I guess how these different nations are as places to live really. Obviously, the preconceptions of being dangerous is quite funny because I I used to live in London. and and you know, they used to say that, you know, isn’t it dangerous in other No, just going to Athens or something, also Greece is dangerous. And I’m like, you can walk down the road here in London and probably get stabbed, because that’s just how it is in London. And it’s like, I don’t know, where this kind of mentality came from, obviously, we know that they push that type of thing on the television and stuff. But I guess, yeah, just comment on on the countries that you facilitate your your properties, and just, yeah, just, I guess, put people at ease in a sense of how it is.

Mike Cobb 25:37
Look, I think it’s, it’s kind of a human nature thing. And some of it may be intentional. And I think, you know, you know, the US State Department puts different countries on their warning list based on, you know, whether they’re playing ball with the US, are they voting in line in the UN or not? Or, you know, whatever it is, right. So I think the US plays some, some political games with that. But, but I think the biggest part of this crime fear stuff actually is sort of who we are as a species, right, as human beings. And so the old notion in the media, if it bleeds, it leads, right. And so, you know, I think the news media that I mean, I don’t know that they’re trying to do anything other than sell advertising. I mean, they’re trying to do something, they’re trying to sell it, get ratings and sell advertising. That’s what they’re doing. Right? It’s an economic interest. I mean, maybe there’s some conspiratorial stuff where they’re in League, and you know, they’re pushing an agenda. And I think that happens too, of course, but but at the fundamental bottom line, they just want to sell it, they just want to sell advertising space, whether it’s paper print, or or TV or whatever, you know, screen. So if it bleeds, it leads, and therefore, what we see on the news media are all the horrible, tragic, bloody things that happen anywhere in everywhere, right? Because that that works, right works from an economic perspective for them. The reality, as you know, London can be dangerous, London can be safe. Any, any city can be dangerous, any city can be safe to factor factors. One, crime is generally local, you know, lightning can strike anywhere. It can, but it doesn’t write very often. Right? So So you know, it’s, it’s crime is local, there are certain neighborhoods in London that are far more violent than others, where your risk of being stabbed go way up versus way down, right. So there’s, there’s sort of that locality piece. And then there’s also the behavioral piece, right? If I’m out at four in the morning, and I’m trying to buy some dope, chances are, I’m putting myself at a greater risk than if I’m at home in my bed at four in the morning asleep, right? What’s the risk factor, right? One is no. One is me. So we have location, and we have behavior. And, and so so just to be very specific, you know, I moved to Nicaragua with my blonde wife, and my towheaded daughter, who was two, in 2002, I moved them to Nicaragua. And we thought we’d lived there for two, three years, we ended up staying 14 years, because my wife loved it. And we had another little daughter that came along. And George, I travel all the time, I literally was gone two to three weeks a month, leaving my wife and two daughters who don’t look Nicaraguan at all in Nicaragua, you know, for for the better part of 14 years. And, and there was zero incidents, we had no incidents in 14 years, you know, but but again, we lived in a neighborhood that was relatively safe again, lightning can strike anywhere, but the neighborhood was safe. And my wife and daughters were home in bed at four in the morning, right. So so again, from a location and a behavioral standpoint, like we took the right approach, I believe the right approach, the safe approach, right or wrong, the safe approach. And so, you know, when you look at countries, you can’t look at a country just like you can’t even look at a city. Like you can’t say, oh, London safe, London’s dangerous. Yeah, both statements are true, right. And so so when we start to look at where crime happens, and how crime happens on the behavioral side, if we choose to be safe we can be. And so as a developer, right, we look at parts of the country, where we do our business, and we find the places that are generally safe. And we don’t control people’s behavior, that people are people that do whatever they want, right? But from a location standpoint, where we developed is safe. And you know, an unproved putting I mean, I again, I I left, I felt comfortable enough to leave my wife and daughters alone in Nicaragua two to three weeks a month for 14 years. And if I thought it was dangerous, a we probably wouldn’t have lived there and be I surely would not have left them alone. You know, a couple three weeks a month so so I think that that that’s the crime issue. But let me let me give the solution The solution to the crime issue is really a trip. Right? I always tell people, the single best investment you can make is in a plane ticket and three nights hotel fare, that’s the best investment you’ll ever make. Right? Because you have to judge something for yourself what I think is safe, you might not feel as safe, right? Or as safe. I mean, it’s a spectrum, right? But the point is, is that if I get on an airplane, and I go somewhere for two or three days, four days, whatever, at the end of that 234 days, I’m gonna have a pretty good sense of whether it’s right for me from a safety standpoint, let’s call that first. But also from climate standpoint, from a friendship standpoint, from a community standpoint, from just simply, gosh, how did it feel to be there? Right? I mean, like, that’s a big deal. How did it feel to be there?

So, you know, three, four days is enough to really get a sense of that, I don’t know that that’s enough. You know, it look for for somebody getting a plan B, A, plan B is a rational decision, I need a plan B, I need a place that I can leave and move to and stay for the rest of my life. If bad stuff ever really starts happening in my home country. That’s a rational decision. Because it doesn’t really matter how much you like it or don’t like it safety’s a factor. Of course, resiliency is a factor, right? But if but if you if you feel like okay, that’s a safe area, and there’s a level of resiliency that meets my desire, right? Those Those are rational decisions, whether you like the weather or not, is irrelevant, because you’re not moving there for the weather, you’re moving there, because something horrible is happening, Paul, right. And so And for most Plan B buyers, write a plan B owner is somebody who says this is a rational decision, I might vacation there if I happen to like it, right. But but even if I don’t like it, it’s a great plan B. But at the same time, here’s the really cool thing, even if you don’t like it. So for example, I like to use the example of Hawaiian pizza, I don’t like Hawaiian pizza. But if I owned a pizza parlor, I would sell Hawaiian pizza. Why? Because it’s not about what I like. It’s about what other people like. And so the really cool thing about setting yourself up with a plan B is that you can own this home, you can get your permanent residency, and if, say you like it enough to vacation two, three weeks, four weeks a year, but the other 50 weeks a year, you can put it in a rental program, because there are lots of people who love surfing in Nicaragua who loves diving in Belize, who loves hiking in the coffee, and tea invitations in and around, you know boca de Panama islands, tropical islands, lots of people love those kinds of things, right. And so one of our businesses is to promote the rent of homes and condominiums when they’re not there. Because it’s a way for them to help offset their costs, right? Talk about making money. Because look at Plan B as a cost. Can we offset those costs? And to some degree or a little bit? A lot, all of them, maybe we make some money? e ha, that’s great, too, right? And, but But the notion of a Plan B is sort of insurance, I don’t want us to call it it’s insurance, right? And so you put it in place. And if you can, if you can get some offset cost, that’s tremendous. And if you can make a little money, that’s even more tremendous. Right? And if you knew that the vacation property, awesome, right? But that’s not why we do it, we do it because we want the plan B we want that ultimate in freedom insurance, right? And freedom insurance, by the way. You know, a lot of people look at insurance from a financial standpoint, or asset protection, protecting our assets, money, stocks, things, right. But but freedom insurances is ultimately the most important because, you know, while we we might have financial freedom if we’re a prisoner in our country, because we we don’t have a residency somewhere else, right? We don’t have a home somewhere else to go to. And things really get tight, tough and ugly. What do we really have, we might have lots of money in the bank account, but if if our life is miserable, you know where we are, and it could be tremendous somewhere else, you know, that, that, that, that that that’s why people are doing it. And, and so we’ve structured our business, in many ways to help facilitate that solution for people who want the plan B. And again, you know, it’s it’s insurance. It’s it’s, it’s, it’s a rational decision.

George Papp 34:48
It’s interesting in regards to the what you were saying previously about, actually visiting the places you know, three days and a plane ticket. It’s really true because you know, there’s always these preconceptions, but unless you actually see it for your own eyes and actually spend some time in a place, I don’t think you can actually even have the judgment. Obviously, other people will tell you probably most of the time negative things because most people unfortunately tell negative stories about most places. And most things it just drew is just what I guess humanity is drawn to in this stage. But I think it’s very interesting to say, yeah, go and go and visit those places. Even if it’s for a few days, just judge it for yourself, it might not be for you exactly. But there might be another place for you. If you’re just stuck, and you’re not seeing anywhere else than where you are. Then you can’t open your eyes to what’s potentially better for you and your family. And I think that was a really, yeah, great advice, to be honest. I know, I guess,

Mike Cobb 35:49
by the way, we, we’ve been giving that advice. For 26 years, we’ve been given the same advice for 26 years. In fact, I was. I’m in Belize right now. It’s why why I’ve got this white, beautiful white wall behind me. I’m in a borrowed conference room to get this quiet time. But, you know, I’m in Belize, and I was I was driving my golf cart, I parked my golf cart, ran upstairs to my condo, and there was a guy out on the front porch. And I had seen him three or four times, but I hadn’t spoken to him. Ron is his name. And Ron’s like, Yeah, I’m, I’m renting here. I’m getting my, my residency in Belize. And, you know, and, and he said, You know, I, I can’t remember how to come up and say, I’m think I’m gonna go to Nicaragua and check out your place there. So are you are you, you know, what are your thoughts? Where do your attention is? Well, someday I want to buy but I just didn’t want to do it. I wanted to rent. I wanted to rent and see if I liked it. And I said, Ron, that’s exactly right. I said, we tell people it sounds crazy coming from a developer, right? But we tell people at conferences, I give presentations, I write about this stuff, rent before you buy, right rent before you buy, because, you know, again, whether something hits your heart, right is a very different experience. So a lifestyle purchase is very different from a Plan B purchase, right? I think three, four days. Okay. Yeah, this is I could I could live here if I had to. It’s nice. It’s beautiful. If I’m not here, oh, yeah, I can see we can rent this place out. There’s a golf course there’s surfers. I mean, so that’s all rational stuff. Right. But if somebody and about a third, again, a third of the folks who have we’re building homes for right now at Gran Pacifica are already there or plan to move when their home is done. And, and so for those people, right, it’s a lifestyle decision, right? It’s, it’s going to be their home. And so those two evaluation processes are very different ones ahead, decision, right? Insurance, rational Plan B, the others more, I’m gonna live there, like, you know, it’s a very different different evaluation process. So, but but but but both are extremely relevant, depending on why you’re making this overseas. Ownership decision. Yeah.

George Papp 37:59
Yeah. And then goes down to, I guess, very similar to my situation, really, myself being in the Mediterranean. Unfortunately, I’m in a place where we’re in the EU. However, I like the lifestyle general, generally, in a sense, we have the beach, that’s for me, we’ve got the mountains, we’ve got a lot of the things that, you know, we like as we have community, we know people here which can help. In regards to a plan B solution for myself, as an example, I would probably look at Central America, because I know that the EU, in my opinion, as what I can see is Go is more technocratic and more controlled compared to a central America in in large numbers, right? We can see Central America is a vast land, they never really get involved in too much a war really, in records to external war anyway. So that’s an example of what I, I would suggest as a plan B for myself would be in in Central America, compared to a plan B, being where I am now, this is more of a lifestyle that I that I sort of prefer myself. Right, I guess going into more of the nitty gritty stuff, which is an English term for like the small details. I guess it’s like, more on the actual how, how easy it is for people to actually get into these properties. So what I guess is the minimum people need to put up front, is there a sort of loan opportunity? Or is there a minimum deposit that can be put on these properties? What are the price ranges? I know you already kind of mentioned that. But I guess let’s say there’s an average family in the US who they don’t have too much savings. They’re quite, you know, I guess new to this and their savings aren’t as large compared to some guys who’ve got some wealth behind them. What options do they have in a sense if they wanted to leave the US or Canada or anywhere else? And they just wanted to make this Step and then also residency as well, for those types of people who want to move there permanently. How easy is it? And what I guess is the process?

Mike Cobb 40:12
Sure. And George, I know we started a little bit late because of my internet, and I apologize, but I have got a board meeting that starts in 11 minutes. And so let me make some very specific quick answers, but also offer folks the ability to reach out to us, okay. And, and we can provide incredible specific detail the nitty gritty, as you say, on on any of the products on any of the information about loans, but very generally, what I would say is, we can offer financing on any of our products up to 80%. So they need people need to come to the table with 20%. So let’s say it’s $150,000, tiny home. Again, they’re about 129,000. But let’s call it 150. Because that’s easy math for me, they need to put $30,000 down, they can borrow the rest. So 80% financing. You know, any investment, say in Nicaragua, Grandpa Sophia over $30,000 entitles you to a residency. So the legal paperwork on that maybe is five $7,000 government fees, I don’t know, but call it seven to be safe, right? So So $150,000, home, tiny home or less. And then another, say 7000 for your lawyers and your legal fees, you actually get a home and a permanent residency in Nicaragua. So it’s pretty easy to do, right. And a lot of folks are doing that, of course, because if you have a plan B, you want a residence and you want a residency a permanent visa, so you want both. One of the things that we’ve seen a lot of people do because we serve a lot of people coming out of the crypto space. There are organizations now that will let you pledge your crypto for as collateral for a Fiat loan. So we have a lot of people who pledge their crypto and then take that cash that they get from the from the collateral in the crypto use that to downpayment or purchase a home outright. We We also accept crypto for folks who want to pay any part of their of their home or condominium with crypto, we accept, I don’t know 10 11 12 of them different ones. And again, the nitty gritty, we have all the information for folks on that. Belize flip gears just for a second British Honduras. So all the folks over in England, and the UK, who remembered is British Honduras, you know, a studio condominiums starting there about three blocks off the Caribbean. So short walks where I that’s where my condo is, it’s where I stay three blocks off the water starting at $129,000. So 134 for a beautiful studio condominium, it’s actually in a Best Western branded hotel, hotel community. So you can use it as a vacation property you can put in a rental program, but you can also live in it. We have like Ron that’s downstairs, okay, he’s, he’s a long term renter, he’s been there almost a year. So again, lots of lots of lifestyle choices, we have a Marriott property in development, that’s right on the water here in Belize, those properties start about 350 and go up. But again, a Marriott oceanfront residence on the Caribbean in the right, there’s the Caribbean ocean for for 350. So, so kind of price points, again, that sort of under 150, up to kind of whatever you want to spend kind of numbers, but But realistically, 150 to about 300 with 20%, down 80% financing conventionally, and then, you know, the crypto side of things as well being alternatives for folks who are in that space.

George Papp 43:59
Yeah, that’s, that’s amazing. Really, I really liked the fact that you accept crypto as well as an option. That’s definitely, you know, growth, I think we have to use those types of tools as well. So actually putting them in to your to developments is great into the financing side. I usually get asked for advice to give to the audience. But to be honest, I actually think you’ve, you’ve really given a lot of different strategies, different advice here throughout the call, so no need for that. I think you’ve already given so many great points, then I just have to thank you. I know you have to leave now. But I just have to say thanks for joining me today and we look forward to having you on again in the future in regards to maybe other buildings that you’re doing and other developments that will come in the future. I guess make sure you subscribe to the podcast as well guys on iTunes or Spotify. Plus, if you’re interested in having one to one consulting to prepare your wealth for the great reset, check out the episode show notes for the link to crypto animus Also, we will put all the links to ECI development stuff in the description. So definitely check that out, you will definitely be able to see all of the properties and all the details as well. But yes, gone gone, like

Mike Cobb 45:12
you asked for one piece of advice. And what I would like to offer folks is the ability to download our consumer resource guide. It’s got 15 questions, it’s got several articles. It’s got some mini country handbooks. It is a it’s about a, I don’t know, 60 70 page book of advice. Okay, so my advice to everyone is to grab the consumer resource guide, you’ll put the link there and OSHA a will reach out and provide that to you. But But the best advice is to be prepared to arm yourself with the right kinds of questions to to property ownership overseas. And this consumer resource guide is the best advice that we can ever give. It’s a distillate of 26 years of experience, 26 years of mistakes, 26 years of successes really distilled down to this one book called The consumer resource guide and, and George, we’d love to make that available to folks listening as well. And I’ll make sure Shinae sends that link so that your folks can can grab that. That’s the one piece of advice I would give, please download the consumer resource guide. And it will be a very, very valuable resource for for everybody thinking about property ownership overseas.

George Papp 46:29
Yeah, it’s just an Overview Guide. And it’s a very in depth look into to what you have options wise. So I think definitely check that out. We’ll have the link in the description and show notes as well. So thanks again, Mike. Thanks again for coming on. It’s been great and you’ve given so many sort of great key advice for for people out there. I’m sure a lot of people would definitely be interested in your in your stuff. I know I am personally as well. So Excellent. Well, good. Yes. Peace and love to you all and thanks for listening.

Thanks, Mike again.

Mike Cobb 47:01

George Papp 47:02
Thank you

Interview with Matthew Raymer: Privacy and Censorship Resistant Technology Solutions

George Papp 0:08
Hi, welcome to the conscious renegade podcast with me, George Papp, helping you to be the change you wish to see in the world.

Today, we are joined by Matthew of Anomalist Design. And we’ll be discussing alternative tech solutions, determining strategies to free people from the current sort of mainstream tech solutions. And obviously the coming Great reset, How are you Matt? and thanks for coming on.

Matthew Raymer 0:51
Oh, George, thank you. I’m doing quite fine. And yourself.

George Papp 0:56
Excellent. Yeah. Thanks again, for coming on. We obviously have been in touch previously, and not just here today. But we’ve been discussing, obviously tech solutions for my business and discussing other solutions. And it’s very interesting to get that sort of perspective for me. So I guess, well, can we start, I guess, where you started, in your journey to where you are now anomalous design, and how you sort of got sort of involved in the sort of freedom of movement?

Matthew Raymer 1:28
Well, you know, as far as my history, my background, I was born in the Midwest, United States, in Kentucky. And I was always very interested in the eclectic subjects. So I’ve been involved in music whenever I was, in high school, I did about six years of formal music training, that included music theory. But toward the end of my high school tenure, I got interested in the sciences, particularly computer science and physics. And I wrote my first software whenever I was 13. I had my first company whenever I was 15. And I got very interested in scientific programming. So that got me into college, I triple majored in mathematics, computer science and physics. And I’m published in computational biophysics. And that got me really interested in problem solving. So I’ve been very interested in difficult edge cases, and just deep problems, difficult problems. Whenever I entered graduate school in physics, I found though, that I was kind of discontented with the idea of staying in physics my whole life. So I took a year off. And that set me off on a pathway of kind of traveling. At the same time, I also started after a year, I started a master’s degree in computer science, but then I was traveling in Southeast Asia, where I ended up getting married to a local in Southeast Asia. And after going back to finish my master’s degree, I came back and married her and have lived there ever since. Because of my degrees and my connections, I was able to do a lot of freelance work early on in the late 90s. And I realized by about 10 years or so living here that I needed to be making more substantially more money to be able to support two children and a wife. So I ended up contacting my classmates and getting involved in consulting with them and ended up doing work for various corporations and, and occasionally, some government agencies. Which kind of got me introduced to the world. I, I lived in kind of a shell very idealistic family. My dad was what I would call a classic old school conspiracy theorist. throughout my teenage years, he tried to convince me that the world was run by the bankers and that they were taking over everything and I even though I loved my dad and had a lot of respect for him, I thought that he was a little crazy. Didn’t realize, as I grew older and experienced dealing with government and dealing with corporations that he was more right than was comfortable to be right. I know I experienced 911 Here In Southeast Asia, and it was, it was kind of surreal for me. Because, of course, you live here long enough, you really don’t feel like you’re part of the West anymore, even though you might have the passport. And so it took me a while to kind of wake up to the fact that something was wrong about the way things were going in the West. So I would say, even though my dad had been telling me things were going wrong, my whole childhood. It wasn’t until I got to my late 30s That I was like, wow, you know what dad was right about all that. And it took me down the rabbit hole I, as I like to tell people I gave up on mainstream media around 2007. That was before I really felt like I understood what was going on. I just had a feeling from listening that what they were telling me didn’t match reality. And it wasn’t until about, say 2011 2012 That I had finally encountered someone like Alex Jones. And while I found it kind of distasteful to listen to. I also found that my own experience with the world kind of resonated with some of the things he was saying. Now, at one point, I’d say quickly, after about a year of listening to him, I had to give up.

Cuz it was too stressful to listen to him. What but in the interim, I began to meet people like James Corbett, and Richard Grove and a variety of other people, because there are people that were publishing back in that time period that no longer Publish. And it really began a blossoming of my understanding of the world and connecting the dots and saying, Well, you know, what, if anybody is going to look out for me, it has to be me, that looks out for me. I can’t rely on governments or institutions to do that, because they won’t look out for me. Now, I knew, from my own experience, that there had been calls for censorship of the internet, starting even back in the mid 90s. I have this anecdote. I liked Excel of sitting in a database management class in graduate school, and having the instructor come in and say it like in 1994. He said, This internet cannot stay open, it has to be closed. And I remember thinking at the time, no, no, I think it should be open. And that’s all been a thought in the back of my head. So whenever I got into this frame of mind of questioning everything that I was being told, officially, I started collecting information. And if you’re a geek like me, and you have lots of data, you want to write tools to help organize and keep that data and disseminate that data. I got involved early on even before that, I got involved in the BitTorrent community as far as the actual back end software part of it. And I was very interested in distributed technologies. So I started leveraging what I understood about that and other tools to upload shows of people to BitTorrent that I thought were important for people to hear. So I remember I did a lot of James Corbett stuff I did a lot of Mark Passios stuff. Richard Grove, I did a lot of his stuff. I don’t know if you’re familiar with the work of Richard and James.

George Papp 8:53
I definitely am. I’m sure many of the listeners are as well. I guess just to quickly interrupt there. Were just some people who don’t know what BitTorrent is. Just explain what that is. And what it does. Basically,

Matthew Raymer 9:10
BitTorrent is a is a networking protocol, which let’s just call it a program is a network program that allows large files to be distributed by many different people. Thus, in the aggregate, producing an efficient tree transfer of large files without in any individual person having to share more of the burden. So in essence, if your ISP had a limitation on how much data could be coming from one person, this could get around that because you could take a very large multi gigabyte file, chop it up into tiny little bits, and then have 100 People send it to you, and she would end up getting Get the maximum capacity of your internet, if that makes sense. Yeah.

George Papp 10:04
Okay. Makes sense. And going back to your conversation there about your way you sort of realize the world was how it was. It’s interesting when it’s like when you actually end up working in corporations or government or with them. That’s a huge part of actually realizing what’s going on

Matthew Raymer 10:26
starting a starting a business can be shocking. And I know I’ve heard people say that the number of people who start businesses isn’t as much as it used to be. So you have people making assumptions about what it means to have a business. And they don’t really understand how difficult it is to have a business. And that you need to respect that and not think that simply because someone has a business, that they’re that they have some privilege of some kind, they actually have a lot of nasty responsibilities. And don’t always get treatment. Try setting up a business in Southeast Asia. As I’ve said to other people, I hear a lot of expats that come here, assuming that if they made it in the first world, it’s easier in the in the developing nation. And I would say now, simply because you made it in the a developed nation, it’s actually quite a bit harder to make a business work here. And that’s a whole other show all by itself.

George Papp 11:38
Yes. Yeah. I mean, there’s other problems with that, isn’t it? It’s not, it’s easier to set up stuff in in the US and the West, in a sense, get things aligned. But then, there are obviously downsides to how organized it is over there as well. But then there’s a lot of downsides to how unorganized it could be in the third world. By the year, you navigate them guessing. And it’s definitely worth the pros outweigh the cons, I’m sure.

Matthew Raymer 12:08
Yeah, yeah. It’s, yeah, we’ve managed to figure out how to get to get by. Yeah. And to be, you know, successful, I would counted as successful. And I’ve really only met one other expat that could have done it. The rest of them kind of like cry, mercy and leave.

George Papp 12:33
It’s really a good, you know, having the skills if you know, some of you guys in the audience is still working nine to five. You know, to get out of that, I mean, just learn skills, like, I mean, especially online skills. I mean, I’m sure you can advocate for that. But it’s release you from the nine to five, and then you can potentially, you know, do contract work for different companies or, you know, from anywhere in the world. So you’re not sort of trapped in one place. So that’s one thing that I guess you can take away from this. I’m sure. Yeah, I mean, I guess moving to, let’s say, the traditional topics of the actual traditional tech, industry and solutions to the I mean, why do we need to move away from traditional tech solutions, and what our guests are the traditional tech solutions currently, like, obviously, registering a domain, hosting a website on a centralized system, or even just obviously, our everyday tech, like, potentially Apple and Android and Mac and stuff like that. So yeah, just describe, I guess, why we potentially need to move away or what solutions there are to potential censorship or tracking or yeah, just anything you can actually advise on?

Matthew Raymer 13:56
Well, let me step back a bit and talk about one of my favorite writers as a backdrop for why we need to be getting away from corporate tech. One of my favorite writers is a fellow by the name of Jacques Ellul. He wrote a book back in the 1950s, called the technological society. And in it, he gave a meta analysis of the scholarship and movements that were occurring before his time that were going to lead to a technocratic world state. Now, Ellul’s work is dark, it’s very, very, very dark. Most of the people who are who are listening, I am sure, have encountered Ellul’s work in some form. They just didn’t realize that they were encountering it. So for instance, the the name slipped my mind, the fellow that went around blowing up the people from technological companies. He lived out in the forest. He was the victim of MK or ultra

George Papp 15:14
The name surpasses me.

Matthew Raymer 15:16
Yeah, you think you know who I’m talking about

George Papp 15:19
I think I’ve heard of this.

Unknown Speaker 15:20
Yes. And for some reason that name slipped my mind completely up. Hold on, let me let me search real quick. So anyway, but this fellow had Ellul’s work in his bookshelf, whenever they finally caught him. And he thought that if we didn’t abandon he was a primitivist not Ellul. But this person, I would say crazy person. He was a primitive said we should abandon all technology because it was going to kill us. And Ellul’s is a bit more nuanced than that. But his argument was that it was the soul seeking for efficiency, not only through technological means sweat through procedural means that we’re going to ultimately kill humanity. Before he died, he became more optimistic. The reason he became more optimistic was because of microcomputers. Because in the early time, in computers, the only person who could own a computer was a corporation or a government. So that power to be able to use computation and leverage its power for you as an individual, it moved from on high down to your hands. And now we carry around devices in our hands, powerful than anything that was made in the 1950s. So he saw that as a chance to escape the death of humanity. Because it allowed the individual to have more control over their own life, and to choose how they were going to live. Whereas before that, it looked like the cards were all against us that it was going to be central top down control for the rest of us for the rest of humanity’s existence. Ellul didn’t really live to see the internet. And the internet is that next phase liberation. And I wish I wish I had known what he would have thought about cryptocurrencies, which is potentially another level of liberation. What we’re losing whenever we hand this back to corporations, is our very liberty to decide on how we’re going to live our lives. We often think of it only in terms of spying, but it’s more than that. It’s the actual ability to make your own decisions. So what happened with the cloud was the cloud is the attempt to destroy the power that the micro computer could give to the individual. If we don’t keep with all of our minds, the ability to have computational power and communications tools that we control, we’re going to lose that liberty that allows us to decide how we’re going to live. So what do I suggest we do about that? Well, it’s beyond technology. I believe it starts with the community, the people around you, I think that every solution begins within the person. Even though I’m a technologist, I really do believe in the individual. And I also believe in the community. We need we are social creatures, we need interaction. So when we work on our inner work, we need to make that inner work so that we can relate to a group of people who are obliged mind. And it’s another topic entirely, but I do not believe that necessarily, humanity can or has to have uniformity of belief, nor to necessarily want to be around one another. But you will find people that you can be around people that you can resonate with, and you need to find those people. We don’t want to be individuals atomized so that we’re easier to control. We want to be clusters of individuals that help one another. And that can be in the form of family it can be in the form of a club. For those people who are more religious, it can be in the form of an ashram or a church or synagogue. But when Eat these communities that’s where we need to start.

George Papp 20:09
Yeah, the sort of the base foundation level, I spoke to Paul, previously on this topic, it’s like, we have to have a foundation of inner work done, where you can at least, like push aside the ego and realize what we’re doing and why we’re doing it instead of, you know, just jumping straight into, you know, grabbing the technology that helps you with privacy, I think it’s more of why are we doing this? And how can it help in a community setting as well?

Unknown Speaker 20:37
Right. And, you know, another thing that my favorite writer Ellul said was that we need to understand that progress can be a myth. We’ve got all these tools. Well, why do I need a faster? jet plane? Do I need a faster jet plane? Right? Do I need to be able to get from Hong Kong to London in five minutes? Or am I just by moving faster? I’m going nowhere fast. So what does the individual develop and the Community Development provides purpose and meaning, we can then guide our technological decisions based on purpose and meaning. I don’t believe that the modern world as it stands, at least the secular world can provide that. So with that in mind, we can talk about technology. Yeah, I would, I would say that everything starts with learning how to properly use tools. So I see a lot of people that they they have these powerful cell phones, or they have these powerful computers, but they, they don’t know how to leverage the tool. So it ends up being used for things that are counterproductive. I’m not against playing games, and not against cinema I indulge in, I don’t indulge in games anymore. I’ve grown out of that. But I do watch cinema. And I think you need to be careful what you watch. Because there’s no such thing as cinema that isn’t built to frame your mind.

George Papp 22:21
Yeah, 100% is, whatever you indulge, you become in a way. So yeah, we have to write with you after Yeah, be careful what you watch. But yeah.

Matthew Raymer 22:34
But beyond that, do I know how to use this technology effectively and efficiently so that it can aid me in that mission of purpose? And to me, that’s the next step. If we’re going to talk about technology, it’s all framed in purpose. Exactly. After that, how can I adequately communicate with people across technology? Do I always need to have a video call? Or can I just use email? Or should I be How should I utilize chat? Just all of these beautiful tools were provided with that we can end up wasting our time, and they won’t be fit to our purpose anymore. conscious of

George Papp 23:24
that? Yeah. Because I think there is a good, you can utilize for good and for bad this these, these tools. They’re just tools. And a lot of people might say, potentially, I mean, I’ve, you know, potentially you could actually get rid of old technology and then just live in a community that has that bad, you know, living like, the old way. But if you are getting involved in these tools, which can help as well. There are Yeah, there are good uses. And bad news is obviously we’ve got social media, the majority of it is just used for creating emotions that are going to, you know, make you basically the jealous or, you know, the envy, the lust, right, basically, I mean, this is basically, it can really get you into a bad road. But then you’ve also got tools like for example IPFS, we’ve got other types of social media, which are not really based on that, which are more based on freedom and community building that can help in a good way for our community. So yeah, absolutely.

Matthew Raymer 24:34
And that brings us into specific kinds of technology. So as you said, IPFS is one of those technologies that I think is going to be helpful to the furtherance of the individual and the community because it’s not owned by anybody. It’s a tool similar to bit torrent that I described. earlier, that allows you to share files without worrying about necessarily where they’re stored. You can upload them on your computer, you share the link with other people. And it proliferates with the popularity of the link. So the more people who are interested in it, the faster downloads and the more secure it is, because it’s stored in many different places. That’s the simplistic explanation of how it works. So

George Papp 25:34
Can people for example, I know there’s a lot of issues with censorship? And yes, I guess would IPFS be that solution for, you know, if people host a website, can it be taken down, you know, let’s say if it’s just hosted on a standard centralized system? Well,

Matthew Raymer 25:53
if you use certain tools with IPFS, it would be next to impossible to censor. But if you just use the web based solutions, it would be possible to get a partial censorship. So the, the way IPFS IPFS works is it’s got its own software there, we will call them nodes. And these nodes are where the actual files that you upload get stored. But there are also what are called gateways. And these gateways are set up on domain names. And you can then access the files that were on the nodes through your browser. Those gateways can be censored at the DNS level. So there are dozens of gateways out there. And while you might see a file get censored on some gateways, it won’t be censored on all gateways. So what I would say to the new, the newbie, the person who’s only getting into it, that they need to be aware of what these other gateways are. But as you grow in your expertise of the system, you need to understand how to use the node itself. Now, you’re familiar with brave, brave browser? Yes. Brave, integrates IPFS nodes into the browser. So whenever you work with Brave you, you actually have an IPFS node in the browser. So it’s, it’s ahead of the game.

George Papp 27:34
Right. Okay. So just any of you out there who’s not unaware of brave browser is the well, it’s a browser, but also assert they have a search engine as an alternative to you know, Google or even DuckDuckGo. Nowadays, right? Fully private, censorship resistant, would you say?

Matthew Raymer 27:53
It’s censorship resistant, that on the downside, Brave is based off of the Chromium browser, so they have to try to take the updates of chromium and scrub any of the monitoring that goes on inside the source code for chromium? And they do a pretty good job at that. But it is something to be aware of that they’re using a Google product as their basis, because browsers are quite complicated.

George Papp 28:24
Sure, I mean, is that the best solution? So far that we have four browsers

Unknown Speaker 28:30
That we have available, that we have available, but I already know communities that are trying to write their own browsers that are almost totally open source? But like I said, browsers are very complicated. So there’s nothing out there, I would necessarily recommend to the average person.

George Papp 28:51
Sure. So I guess who have brave as the option, the easy option right now. If any of you still use Google out there, I mean, switch to brave, as well, I would say really, even that goes, I think it’s been out there now that they’re not even private in the sense so

Unknown Speaker 29:11
well, they’re gonna censor that they’ve admitted that they will censor. And I would say that there are again, a lot of these technologies are not for the average user yet. But there are systems out there that provide distributed search, which is another problem that we need to be addressing. Simply being able to share files is not enough. You need to be able to find them. Being able to index the files that are on IPFS is a difficult problem that’s being worked on presently. Are you familiar with the site presearch?

George Papp 29:49
I’ve definitely heard of presearch. Yes.

Unknown Speaker 29:53
I actually am supposed to be meeting with the CEO of those of that company, because I know someone who knows this Yeah. And they’re offering a very valuable service that they’re doing what Duck Duck, go, failed to do. And in fact, they actually pulled their data from Google and DuckDuckGo. But they also offer other aggregations of data. Myself, I’ve been looking very seriously into a product called yesI. It’s Y A C Y it’s been around since around 2012. It’s a Java based search engine. Again, this is not for your average user. But it’s available that it allows people to set up a index, and then it’s connected to hundreds or 1000s of other Yacy nodes. So if you want to search the internet, you could search it without using any of the big corporate companies. Cool.

George Papp 30:58
That’s definitely worth checking out. Yacy. I haven’t actually heard of those guys before. What’s the difference? I guess, between presearch and let’s say brave,

Matthew Raymer 31:08
as an example. Well, presearch is a web portal that you have to go to, to in using a browser. Whereas Brave is a browser, right? And brave does not provide search services. It just provides a web browser. There is a

George Papp 31:29
brave search, I believe now. I’m not too sure. Yeah. So it’s actually just not long came out. So maybe it’ll be worth checking out. Brave search engine? That’s what I use?

Matthew Raymer 31:42
No. Yeah, thank you, because I did not know that they had a search engine. Do you know if this is done, centralized, or if it’s decentralized,

George Papp 31:55
the way it’s very easy to use, I would suggest is potentially centralized. Because it’s very easy to use, right? A lot of decentralized stuff is not easy to use, yet, it will improve, right, but that’s where we should be moving to, of course. But the main, I think the main first step is to move away from Google. I think that’s where everyone should be moving away from, then let’s say you know, you’re using brave for a while, and you’re calm confidence sort of move on to you know, more decentralized and more complex stuff, you know, then you’ve got, for example, UFC and you’ve got presearch, potentially to move on to be is, is always a progress and a process is not something that happens, you know, instantly, you’re gonna go from Google to like using some sort of decentralized node system or, you know, building your own browser is always a process, right?

Matthew Raymer 32:48
Oh, absolutely. And that fits with the way I started our discussion, that this begins with you refining yourself what you know, and then sharing with other people, one of my ambitions for this year, because I also teach technology to people. And I’m putting together some courses on IPFS. And I hope within this year to be building a mega corpse that would encompass not only the technologies such as a IPFS, but it would also include the assay, and one of probably about a half a dozen other cryptocurrency based file sharing systems. Because you’ve got file coin, which is made by the same people who did IPFS. And you’ve got our we’ve and you got storage, and you got sky coin. All of these are search engines, excuse me, search your file sharing systems. And even presearch is a cryptocurrency. Incidentally, yeah.

George Papp 34:01
I’ll give you the an example of why this is important. You know, for example, if we’ve got files and actual just data, or work or books or anything that has been produced, if we go down the route of centralized, censored way, any information can just be burnt, and will not be able to be seen again. And this is the issue right? Then basically, centralized governments or big tech can basically just decide what informations on the internet and then basically sway any community to be a certain way and not even find information on anything else. Now, with decentralized options, this can’t happen. So therefore, we can save that information and they will be there forever in a sense, as long as internet’s around, which is very important to actually have that other option, and actually have that as something that can be you’d not be destroyed? Can these decentralized systems be be censored? Or basically be infiltrated in any way just to sort of go into that little bit?

Matthew Raymer 35:14
Um, was it too, like, I think that it’s going to be too difficult to take out something like IPFS, the easiest thing to do is to take out the gateways. It’s sort of like, you know, there was all that talk a decade ago about getting rid of BitTorrent. There’s BitTorrent is still here. And the reason it’s still here is because it’s 10s of 1000s of people utilizing it. And the policing of that is impossible. Yeah. That’s what we’re trying to build with, with IPFS. This is an opportunity for and I preach this to content creators, this is the opportunity to start building that super network that sits on top of the internet, and is uncensored.

George Papp 36:12
Yeah, we were discussing. For my website, we need, we basically need to, obviously, for a quick start, just got it started. But I know how important is going to be for myself and others to just get onto this stuff, especially coming in and listening.

Matthew Raymer 36:29
And let me just hasten to say that even though I’m really advocating IPFS right now, I think I’m doing that mainly, because it’s the most mature, it’s got the most adoption at the moment. But that doesn’t mean that there aren’t alternatives out there. Because there are certain things that are more difficult to do on IPFS, that other systems can do easier. And like, say having a database, you really can’t have a database on IPFS. Or you can, but it behaves in a way that’s not traditional. So there are alternatives to IPFS that maybe down the road, we should be considering. And let’s say that they’re in the laboratory at the moment. Yeah, so like, I’m really happy that there are entire videos, portals, like in front ends that have been built for IPFS, there is a version of get hub that was built using IPFS. So you can build some really radical tools. But it’s gonna take us time to get people familiar with how to use them. And we also have to have people contributing to that effort so that the bandwidth is sufficient to service a large number of people.

George Papp 37:57
Yeah, and I think that really does move to my next sort of question, how can I guess people get involved in the projects that you’ve suggested? Or even, you know, just get involved in this alternative tech space?

Matthew Raymer 38:13
What I would say start with, just go to the IPFS website, download the software, and play with it. Try to read the documentation. It’s actually not that hard to use. In fact, I’m trying to offer a fairly like an hour, sort, of course that step people through understanding what it is, and how to how to utilize it in the basic way. So that’s how you get started. Just play with it. Yeah.

George Papp 38:48
And also, I think, doing courses on it, it’s not really just to promote your view, essentially, I’ve done so many courses to just give me that Head Start of you know, how to use something, how to do something, because obviously, with crypto, that’s how I started as well, I didn’t, you can, I guess go down the route of sort of being manual and going through and learning it on your own, of course, because sometimes, you know, really accelerate that. And it gives you leverage in regards to if you want to find online work again, or if you want to build your own business, it helps you do that, because you’re learning skills that others don’t really know, especially in these sort of sectors, because they’re only growing and pretty much no one’s doing it. In this in comparison. So obviously the world population, there’s not many people who are dealing with IPFS who even know what it is. So yeah, get a head start, I think, in my opinion,

Unknown Speaker 39:42
Oh, for sure. And that’s been my talking about business. My philosophy has always been stay as close to the bleeding edge as possible. I tell my kids whenever they learn things, learn stuff that the average person’s not interested in learning but you know that people need. So, my son studied chemical engineering because it provides him with experience working with electrical engineering, mechanical engineering and chemistry. So he, he’s assured that he’s gonna, someone’s gonna need his skills.

George Papp 40:19
Yep, exactly, there’s a lot of necessity and need in especially the sectors that we discuss here. Definitely, with with technology, I mean, people will soon in my opinion, realize that they would need these solutions. Because I only see this may be getting a lot worse in a technology standpoint, for sure. Like, let’s say, if you’re living off grid in a community, you know, grocery and food and isn’t really using technology, that’s fine. But let’s say if we are using technology, there is I think, going to come a point where you’re gonna have to really give up a lot of your freedom to use this technology. And if we have these alternatives, you know, let’s say if there’s a digital ID to enter the internet, we’re gonna have alternatives, in my opinion. So I don’t think you know, let’s give up now, because you know, they’re going to create a digital ID, if they do, we’ll probably have a decentralized web, at some point

Matthew Raymer 41:13
mesh, mesh networks. Yeah. And, as I’ve often said, that people talk about shutting down the internet, which I do not think that they want to do, they do not want to shut down the internet, they, that’s their major intelligence gathering apparatus. But if they did shut down the internet, I could have a local area network just on equipment. Within a month, I could have my own local internet running within a month, because you’ve got all these routers just sitting around everywhere. Well, if the, if the larger internet was down, I could provide my community with connectivity. And you might say, Well, what use is that, let me tell you, what we have just laying around unused, all products, our, our grandparents would have given their left arm to have the ability to communicate like that over a short range. Because it’s better than a walkie talkie. Here,

George Papp 42:21
it’s amazing how the throwaway society is, you know, we’ve just grown to just throw anything that’s even a year or two old now. That’s right. Excellent. Well, I guess what advice sort of key takeaways, I know you’ve given quite a lot of advice and key takeaways already. But just to sort of summarize, what would you give our listeners to implement these sort of strategies into their lives?

Matthew Raymer 42:52
Oh, I would say, begin by just watching YouTube videos about the technology. I think, rather than advocating going out and paying money for a course, there’s a lot of free material out there. If you find yourself frustrated, then you might look for a paid course, to learn how to use this stuff. But that’s really, it really begins with the individual to decide to go out and learn how to use these tools. Yeah.

George Papp 43:27
And if you think, again, when it comes down to the foundation of why we’re using, and then when you see the importance, you will then be like, Okay, I need to search for IPFS I need to search for alternatives. Yeah, so I guess everyone check out brave check out IPFS. Yeah, see, ya see why. Any others?

Matthew Raymer 43:49
That we, I think, a little bit more experience, I would say look into mesh networks.

George Papp 43:56
That’s definitely on my list. Actually. It’s not something I’ve explored personally. But it’s definitely something on my list.

Matthew Raymer 44:04
And I would recommend everybody switch either to brave search, which you just introduced to me or to pre search.

George Papp 44:11
Yeah, that’s something that everyone can do today. And it’s quite easy. Especially if you want something very easy. Just switch the brave browser, sort of Google Chrome, or edge, for example, and use brave search engine instead of Google. And you know, it’s very simple. And it’s and it works very well even earn basic attention token as well. So you actually earn a little bit of cryptocurrency using it. Google doesn’t pay you anything to use it.

Matthew Raymer 44:41
They just sell your they sell your data.

George Papp 44:45
Exactly. So there’s no losses there. You probably get better information as well, because a lot of it’s censored on Google as well. So yeah, all right. Nice one. Well, thanks for joining me today and I look forward to having you on again. If due to potential I enjoyed it. Excellent. Make sure you subscribe to the podcast on iTunes or Spotify. Plus, if you’re interested in having one to one consulting to prepare your wealth for the great reset, check out the episode show notes for a link to crypto animus Also, we’ll put all the links to Matt’s material, Anomalist Design, if you’re interested in obviously moving your website or any of your businesses onto IPFS. Or if you want web design or any sort of tech solution, you know, we’ll put stuff in the description as well. So definitely check it out. Peace and love to you and thanks again.

Matthew Raymer 45:40
Thanks, George.

George Papp 45:42
Thank you

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Welcome to The Conscious Renegade, a centre for content which will give you the tools to free yourself to live a more fulfilling life away from the current system and The Great Reset Agenda.

We will be interviewing people in various sectors of our society who are ‘being the change they want to see in the world’ so you can do the same and change the world one step at a time.

Instead of focusing on the negatives of the current system within all sectors such as Health, Education, Infrastructure, Economics etc, we will be looking for strategies to help you implement the solutions in your life.

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Interview with Paul The Agorist: Ecovillage Community in Mexico

George Papp 0:08
Hi, welcome to the Conscious Renegade podcast with me, George Papp, helping you to be the change you wish to see in the world.

Today, we are joined by Paul, who is part of many freedom social movements, including ecovillage, share, and Mexico migration. And we will be discussing alternative limited living, eco villages and other relevant topics, determining strategies to free people from the current system and the coming Great Reset. How are you, Paul, thanks for coming on.

Paul 0:56
Hi, Georgie. Great to be feeling great. Ready to go.

George Papp 1:00
Thanks for coming on. I know you’ve been really busy. And you’ve obviously having a lot of projects on at the moment. But yeah, thanks for coming on again. Yeah, I guess let’s start with just sort of give a setting what your story is, and where you started, obviously, all the way till now. But where does it start your story and how you got here?

Paul 1:23
Yeah, just to say as well, your great question that yeah, thanks for it. Also, it’s been wonderful to connect with you. Just hear your passion, your energy, your vision as well. really inspiring. So really good to be on the call with you. My story, okay, I’ll do a really brief run, even though I’ll go all the way back because it kind of like, sometimes gives people some, some inspiration or more of an idea of where people’s stories begin often is a great way to understand other people and what are their motivations? I kinda had to figure it out that 10 years ago, they weren’t why why is this whole community thing so important to me, where I can’t seem to meet as many people as passionate as I am about this topic and about humans collaborating more closely with one another, to achieve greater success. In other words, creating by unifying, creating more prosperity. So there’s, there’s a bigger pie, so we all get a bigger slice of the pie kind of thing. And I think my grandmother was able to leave Czechoslovakia at the time when I was one year old, and she that was a communist country, and she wasn’t allowed to leave. So my mother didn’t see her mother for 11 years. But as soon as she was she was a pensioner essentially stopped being a taxpayer. Suddenly, the communist regime there had a heart and said, Look, I think you haven’t seen your daughter for so long. If you’d like you can, you can go to Australia, but but the only thing is, you’ll lose your pension and never get it back. And you can never return. And of course, that was an offer she was happy to accept and my family as well. So I was blessed that my grandmother with me from the age of one till 18, and she was there every day, I’d come home from school, she was there. Anyway, she was from a small village called pecan nets. And she was a really strong influence in my life, I won’t go into it anymore, I’ll start getting emotional, but, but just she had that small village kind of mentality. And she just was always there to help everyone, especially the family. And she really enjoyed giving and caring and sharing. And I find the same thing in Mexico. That’s why I felt so at home when I first came here when I was 19. And I’m a bit old, that now. It’s been about 26 years or so. But But yeah, it’s that’s kind of my main motivation for how I get in, got into community, I guess. And then then we’ve done many experiments in community, different types of urban community community gardens, a community center where we had yoga meditation, ecstatic dance, we had Friday foodie festival whenever we bring food, ideally, we definitely stressed that we only want organic food and no junk food and nothing from the bigness layers. Coca Cola has or, or, you know, main brand name junk foods or processed foods. So it was a real healing space. And that was an urban project. No, and I’ve visited many eco villages. So I guess, me that when I look back and think about why was I so inspired, it would be my family cultural background from Czechoslovakia, and my mother and my grandmother being from a small village even though my father is from Prague. And he was a lot colder and a lot more like a city kind of vibe, where my, my mother’s side were very much from a tiny village of 8000 people. Yeah,

George Papp 4:33
that’s very interesting. It’s so true, where it looks like just the the small village lifestyle is still it’s not that far away. It’s not it’s not been that many generations away. But it feels like we’ve disconnected so much from that. They just seem so different to what our usual lives are in the city or in large towns, for example, obviously in the West. But yeah, it’s nice to see that you connected with that, when was that your aha moment then? When it was?

Paul 5:07
I think in life we have so many aha moments, but definitely kind of just one moment of introspection, I’m like what you know, and I was a bit a bit deep. You know, we all going to have ups and downs in our lives and emotional shifts, and and it was one of those where I was just exhausted from the community work. And I had many of those moments when I was exhausted and tired and drained and feeling like poor me, why do I have to do this? Why do I seem to care so much when it seems so hard to motivate others to, to want to connect more with their community rather than what I call the God alone method, which ultimately, is what we’ve been trained in competition and consumerism and materialism and, and to build our own career and build our own family. And, and you know, to a degree that can work. But you know, if you really look at if you look into most multimillionaires, especially those who have made or let’s say successful people financially, a lot of them have made it at the expense of their own family and expense of their own children, their children hardly know them, or they have a really bad connection with their children or with their partner or they’ve had losses. And if you want to, if you want to have true success, see, I believe that a person who is successful you a lot of money, but their life is a train wreck. If you want true success, it’s only going to come from going back to our roots of true community where people really really live as givers rather than takers. And they want to contribute just like my grandmother always wanting to contribute. And she was an eternal wellspring of energy and generosity. It was never like, poor me, I keep giving and no one’s giving me back, she, she just had a great joy of giving. And that’s what Mexicans are like to they have a great joy of giving. So yeah, I think we have lost our way. And there’s that emptiness in a lot of people’s souls. And you see that a lot in Australia, and I’m sure in the UK and Europe, the USA, people feel like their life has no purpose and meaning. And generally that’s, that’s, that’s the mission in life to discover our purpose and meaning and really, we have to just make it up. So I make it up that I love contributing to people around me and seeing more people smile. And generally Mexico people love to see you smile and do things for you. That just put warm your heart so so yeah, I think that’s where we’ve lost. A and, and and that’s why I’ve chosen Mexico, because I think it’s just an easier environment. After many attempts in Australia. It’s yeah, it was a it was always a goal to come here. But I would have loved to have had a community remain functioning but our community and in Mexico, them collapsed. But they’re all great learning lessons.

George Papp 7:34
Yes, I guess that there, there’s always going to be challenges along the way. It’s never easy. We’re not trained to I guess know this straightaway, because we’ve been indoctrinated in, in schools. So we never knew. So we had to sort of start again, I guess. But yeah, let’s, I mean, why do you think we have to, I guess, move away from how we’re living currently. I mean, it’s pretty obvious, in my opinion, and probably most of the audience, but just to sort of reiterate why eco villages and how you see community, why we have to move away from what’s currently the current societal sort of structure, just so everyone can sort of know that.

Paul 8:15
Yeah, excellent question. And a good area for all of us to have some introspection as well, about what where their future path forward is. And one way I look at it is as well, it’s in times like these, even at the best of times, but in time, is with so much uncertainty and so much certainty that that there’s a certain small group of people that want to steer humanity in the direction that they choose. And and not necessarily the best direction for them for the vast majority of humanity. And they don’t seem to think we have a choice in the matter. And I think that’s that’s very unreasonable. It’s,

George Papp 8:48
it’s literally criminal.

Paul 8:48
So. So yeah, it’s another aspect too, is you’re correct. We’ve been trained in a certain type of living that is not helping us to collaborate effectively together, even though we can do so in a more academic format or in a dry calculating way we can work together, but ultimately, it’s sort of for our personal gain or for my family, rather than thinking about my community. And there’s some interesting parallels with good health and having a mindset of caring for your community and your community caring for you, actually has been proven through scientific study decades of scientific study that vastly improves your health and minimizes your risk of serious chronic diseases or especially heart attacks and, and problems of, of the circulatory system. So that’s an interesting segue there, maybe for another nother conversation of the day but but also Yeah, it’s it really is a time now when when we do need to relearn as you said, We’re never taught this in school or university, you know, 12 years at school and then University. Yeah, don’t don’t really cover this in any way. Because it’s not the in the best interest of the people. Those who who want to mold us to become employees in their corporations, right? So, so it is it is becoming particularly important to figure out that this has been our, our primary, it’s been our evolutionary path, to live harmoniously in communities and learn to get along with your, your fellow man. And if anyone goes to a small village, or drive anywhere in the world, that’s functions on these kinds of principles, they will see that that in effect, and we’ll have an amazing learning lesson there, tiny villages all across Mexico, just like in Europe. But here, here, there are so many small village and they have unbelievable amounts of festivals and activities, and everyone gets to participate. And, and although it’s changing, it’s going to take a lot longer for the consumerism and the competent competitive spirit and nature to fully take over, I believe, and hopefully Mexicans will be able to put up put a stall on it and and how to sort of the modernization, yeah, Facebook and, and modern culture and modern TV series, TV programming are all doing their bit to try and remove this aspect of the community kind of consciousness rather than just a self serving consciousness. So yeah, I think I think ultimately, if we get it right, we will do a lot better in community. And on that point on that, you know, there’s, there’s, I’ve seen some articles recently about how people think, you know, it’s one or the other, either we become slaves to us, that we don’t want to be a part of anymore, and we’d love to be in an alternative. And it’s either that or we’ve got to find an alternative community and almost come GPS, and it’s not really like that at all. And that was kind of the experience of just realizing, Oh, my God, we’ve all got different personalities and characteristics that people come together, it’s just too easy to end up in arguments and problems, even if people start out wanting the best for each other, you know, our habits and our, our indoctrination in those forced indoctrination camps called schools, it just kicks in by default, it’s it’s there in the, in the subconscious, if anything, and, and then we saw, we do need to actually

have options. So I call it a hybrid ecovillage system. And, you know, anyone can call what they want. But basically, it’s not just one, one ecovillage. And everyone needs to fit into this model, it’ll have something for people who, who, just to give you an example, like a normal permaculture, with animal husbandry, another section, where people actually illegally separate, and they have legal legally separate agreements, but they all all coordinate with each other. So you can have an eco village with permaculture and animal husbandry and other eco villages, for more people who are vegetarians or vegans. And then another section can be for people who want to live individually, yet benefit from some of the benefits of of these communities, but they don’t want to jump jump right in and, and mainly share land with others and share tools, you know, share, like, for example, a chainsaw share a communal kitchen, people can have a kitchen in their home as well. But but you know, maybe in the Eco village, you might be agreement between the people that you meet for dinner once a week, to just check in, make sure everyone’s feeling well and have that sense of community, if you just come to the community dinner once a month, when you’re not really living in a community, you know that that’s, you know, people need to define what what their ideals are for how they look after each other, and how many activities they participate in each week, you know, one day a week, working in the garden for three or four hours may be part of the agreement. But some people might want nothing to do with that. So that they can still be welcomed in the community because they have other amazing skills. For example, people who are very much into crypto could have incredible skills have benefited community or blockchain training or programmers or people who, you know, live live in a different way could still be a part of this sort of a hybrid eco village structure that I have have in mind based on my my years of what I call failures that make me an expert at everything that doesn’t work.

George Papp 14:01
Yeah, the thing is, right, everyone wants to live their way. So there’s always so many different facets, you can’t just be you know, here’s how an eco village works. You know, join it, if you get this. There’s so many different types of people who want to start living in this way. You’ve got obviously the vegan the meat eating differences. You’ve got also people who want an internet, potentially others don’t. You’ve also got permaculture differences over land resolution, which I think that I think the biggest base issue is actually people can’t do conflict resolution. And I think this is where I think this is where we fail with our communities, unfortunately, but hopefully, you know, I don’t know maybe this type of event that’s going on in the world at the moment potentially helps people move more into their heart space and out of the the ego which blows up everything. And that’s the reason why we can’t even have communities anymore, but I think it’s Another interesting points that go back. I know you mentioned that this, you know, the sort of elite want this sort of type of lifestyle with smart city life is ultimately a choice. I think we’re so much more powerful than we think we are. And we will, it is a choice for us, in my opinion, they can’t really force you to do anything. In my opinion, okay, they can get people with guns around. But I mean, how real is that going to happen? Is that really going to happen? They say, I believe it is a choice. And you can make that choice, it’s just a massive leap. To make that difference. We’ve just been used to feeling like a slave, and like working for the for the man and keep paying taxes and everything. Let’s, you know, let’s make that leap. And the life will be better over there. Especially now, I mean, I think society is going into ways maybe, you know, two parallel sort of types of societies where there’s going to be definitely sort of a smart city environment where people really are connected to the mainframe, which is getting ever smaller and smaller in terms of your rights and freedoms, or you’re literally going to have to go back to a ways of living that was happening sort of in our grandparents, and before that there type of life where we have to, you know, decentralized foods, decentralize everything, basically. Get everything into our own hands instead of relying on the corporation’s to provide that for us. So now, it’s great work that you’re doing. I wanted to ask, actually, how are the homes on these? On the land that you’re you’re the community land? I mean, what are the homes made? From? What kind of materials? Are these sort of Earthships? Are they tiny homes? Are they a mix of all types? Or what? Just give us an indication of of that? Yeah,

Paul 16:51
if I answer that question, great question as well. And just in response to your comment, well thought, I really do appreciate the fact that you’re you’ve also been in deep in the corporate world. Just looking at your background, the work you’ve done is really, really inspiring. And it’s great that people are like you, who have been deep inside corporate, the corporate world and also working deep in the crypto space, also genuinely very interested and passionate about and sees it as a viable solution. And one one important solution, this concept of community and getting back to the land, literally putting your hands inside the dirt. It was something that never interested in naming it just as I I just kind of evolved by having these people around me. You know, the first time one of our team wanted to do we did a monthly presentation when we first had our first project in Sydney, Australia, then we moved to the Gold Coast. And then we moved to Byron Bay Area. But but you know, one of our team and volunteers and a really good friend was a soil scientist, who also ran right next to a garbage dump, he was able to get land from the council to put a mini community garden. And it was like an educational garden for children coming from schools or school groups would come see the destructive waste and, and all of the throwaway society, when they look to the right. And when they look to the left, they see this regenerative, beautiful example of how how compost now how our waste can become our compost and create these beautiful thriving gardens and give us produce. So it was an amazing contrast. In any case, my point being, he offered to give a talk one month about soil just again to explain why I got into this concept of eco villages and gardening even now I love gardening because it I’ve seen what it does to families and to children when they come together in a garden with other families and children. It’s just actually such a fun experience and someone plays a guitar while you’re planting food and you know, the kids are doing everything wrong and planting the seeds the wrong way or what have you putting them too deep or not deep enough. And but it doesn’t matter. They’re having fun. And you know, that’s just part of the part of the activity. And that was just such as such a magical experience though. This friend wanted to give a talk. He said look at this month, we haven’t got a speaker, you know, we normally get a technologist to sign scientist or a an inventor with some amazing technology that’s been suppressed that they’ve tried to release to benefit humanity or enter. But anyway, he said he’ll talk about soil because he’s because he’s a soil scientist. And I just like cringed and inside I was like, Oh, that like how are we going to get people to come along and listen for an hour and a half to someone speaking about dirt? You know, and I need to be with my friends. So I sort of like cringed and said, Okay, well, you can talk next month about dirt. And then and then I’m freaking a little bit and I all the effort that it takes to get bums on seats in an auditorium for our monthly innovations, conversations. And anyway, on that particular day, you know, you know 50 people in the room and which was an average sort of turnout some of the we get more sometimes a little less in our little neighborhood in downtown Sydney and and then you know, I was literally brought to tears because he just explained the meaning of dirt and the meaning of soil and how if we don’t look after our dirt, we all die. And he explained that so clearly I’m like, wow. And I was in, I was emotional, because it was just this huge new revelation in my life that have how how important our soil, he’s, he’s holding a handful of soil with worms falling out of his hand, saying, This is the living soil that that gives us life and health, and then an hour and a half of that later, and I’m like, wow, that just blew me away. And, and just showed me a blind spot that I never realized I had in my life, you know, and we were living in our condominiums or white picket fence houses, you know, with hardly a garden, maybe a lawn, if we’re lucky, then, you know, maybe a gardener who does the work in the garden, then we’re just not connected to the land. So So coming back to your question, you know, it kind of relates as well, because we want to have our homes be very closely integrated with nature with the soil. And really, it’s actually that’s why so many people love gardening, but why not garden in a way that’s intelligent. That’s where permaculture comes in. And our homes have gardens all around them, where we have simple easy access to delicious fresh food. And you know, fresh tomatoes or fresh herbs tastes so much better than herbs bought in the store, that literally, you know, wither and die in two or three days in your fridge. But but you know, when you pick it fresh, I mean, I’ve literally had herbs and and produce from our local. Sometimes we drive for hours to get organic foods, it’s not sprayed with chemicals that with our friends who are farmers here in, in the in the mountains in Mexico. And we literally bring back so much food because we want a good organic healthy. Sometimes we don’t trust what’s developed in the markets in even in Mexico City here. So we so

on that food lasts up to a month in the fridge, because it was picked fresh, we sometimes help the farmer picket, just before we leave to come back to Mexico City, I do a little bit to Mexico City and other locations, by the way, although we live on the outskirts in a pine forest, if just didn’t open the window behind me so that so that you didn’t have the glaring light, but I actually live in a pine on the edge of a pine forest. So I’m on the outskirts of Mexico City, I get a lot of fresh oxygenated air from the pine trees, but but still, you know, I’d rather live in an eco village. And that’s what we’re on our way to doing shortly. So if I can mention that your way, you know, the style of homes look, ultimately, in our in our model, you know, people in other places can build with whatever materials they want, there’s plenty of opportunities to do that, for anyone who comes to Mexico already lives in Mexico. Because most states, some states have no building codes, which is awesome. And most states do have a building code in Mexico, because you could say in some ways, it’s a failed state in Mexico, although we can’t rest on our laurels. Yeah, they’re right now trying to bring in digital digital ID and mainly digital currencies, here just like they’ve done in El Salvador very quickly. And you know, and there’s there’s pros and cons to that, but it seems like it’s playing into the agenda of people getting people to normally just live in a cash economy, which keeps them safe from from that content to digital money. So you know, there needs to be a balance and people who understand the technology to apply it because it can be a double edged sword, you know, that one, one edge can benefit you and the other edge can be stabbing you in the back at the same time. So that’s another conversation we may like to have on another day. But But in our Eco village, of course, ideally would be we would be requesting and probably have it written into our Constitution that that people build with bamboo, Adobe, or, or other rammed earth, or very common here is the adobe bricks, so making bricks from Adobe, maybe maybe some some buildings with what’s called hempcrete, obviously, but also, there’s air Crete, which is a form of concrete, but it’s very lightweight and use very little concrete. You know, we enjoy the idea of having a mix of different structures earthbags Earthships, especially as well as chips are phenomenal. Your garden is basically attached to your kitchen and it’s inside your house, your garden is your food, food is actually inside your house, ideally right next to your kitchen, so you can literally reach over and grab herbs while you’re cooking. You know, and I’ve seen models of those built men, young men and Chad in Acapulco builds those pretty had visited his successful as she built for a for for a children’s home here in New Mexico, over there in Acapulco. And, yeah, I mean really, it’s just I’d like our our first day eco village here in Mexico to be a model of different building styles. But again, going back to mostly regenerative materials and and innovative forms and structures as well as ancient structures that people have used in Mexico for generations centuries. Just to give you one final comment on that. It’s interesting note that in some villages, I’ve spoken to the elders about these, these things. Yeah, one, one example of a common thread. I’ve heard from a few elders that I’ve spoken to grandmothers, grandfathers, they said, Look, my son, you know, built me a new home, he thought it was, you know, he, that I’m paraphrasing, but, you know, he bought me this new house because he wanted to give me a full new home. And it’s made of concrete, it’s really cold, especially in winter, it gets really cold and gets really hot in summer. And you know, I’ve always felt more comfortable, like, I just felt more comfortable and at home in my Adobe mud house, rather than this new, modernized modern construction made from concrete, you know, just to give you an idea of some of the benefits of living in inside more earth based materials.

George Papp 25:45
Yeah, yeah. Excellent. I mean, you know, that’s very interesting, because I’m, I’m currently on a Greek Greek island. And I know the benefits now, since moving here of Adobe style, mud and straw housing. And I’m actually in one right now an old, an older home, which has been sort of renovated, but you can you can tell now it’s getting up to, you know, 3035 degrees centigrade already. And inside the home, it’s still, you know, cool. You don’t need to run air conditioning all the time, pretty much probably never really, because they were built like that. Nowadays, the concrete homes, just completely like just not, they’re just built for real, just quick, easy way of building a home, just for mass, right. But now, I think we should go back to the old school, because I think that’s the most sustainable way. And they were built like that for a reason, especially in the sort of climates. So it’s really interesting that you were you mentioned that this even sort of in Mexico. The party used to build homes like this. Excellent. I mean, Thanks, Paul. Well, I guess, to move on, What projects are you working on? I guess for for everyone out there. What projects are you actually sort of working on right now? How are they going? And yeah, just sort of give us an overview on what you’re working on.

Paul 27:08
Yeah, look, I came to Latin America after a short trip for a month, which was lovely, because I knew I wouldn’t probably see my family for some time. I mean, I knew there was a collapse coming back, you know, how soon or how late that would be. I probably was blase a little bit like a lot of people. I just, you know, initially 20 years ago, I’m like, any minute. The whole Well, economy’s gonna collapse. You know, when I first was waking up and realizing how the banking system was a house of cards, that would be blown over but, but in the end, you know, I’ve started to get blase, I guess I answer, it’s not coming yet. Who knows? It could be another 10 years away, you know, so I spent a month in Prague and a little bit of time in Bratislava. With family with my brother and his three three children and his partner and, and my mum and dad who were not getting you know, not getting any younger though, but 78 at the time, and now they’re heading up to 82 God love them and and, and they’re thankfully they’re still still in reasonable health considering their age. Dad’s got one eye but he’s been driving with one I still drives that one and he’s been driving. Yeah. Yeah, we’ve won for for a number of years now, which I think that that’s already amazing to do that at that age. But then when I drive it seems a little concerned about that. But guys, he’s happy and he’s still still driving. But But yeah, then I came to Latin America. I didn’t know where I wanted to base myself that but I had a feeling of the Mexican I knew there was a large community here. You know, Freedom sells communities and although the in Acapulco community forming in Acapulco are inspiring to me, and you know, by all accounts, a lot of people are moving to Acapulco. In the end, Acapulco just again a big city, it’s got a bit of crime and security issues. But overall, my friends haven’t had who’ve lived there now for you know, two to three to four years, having had some of them stay there ever since they went to the first Acapulco in Acapulco, which was about five years ago now. But, you know, I felt that Mexico was going to be this, but I thought I really travel around first and before I decided where I was going to base my next main project, and I thought I had time was it time was in my favor. And I had the you know, the luxury of of saying, Look, if I’m gonna live somewhere, I want to choose the place that feels right to me, never know what was going to take four years but I spent one year in Guatemala, Belize, Panama, and Peru. And then after that, headed up to to Acapulco, in 2018. And, and that was my first in Acapulco. And, and that was that was a huge, huge eye opener and a great connection but I didn’t feel like the community in Acapulco was going to be for me and I always felt like I wanted to be close to the land so so it ended up being a in a three year journey Exodus all around Mexico, looking for were felt ideal to base myself and start a project and I made some incredible new friendships and connections and people I’m working on projects with, to different extents, in each in different villages. But I realized I’m a coastal girl living on the coast, I used to surf a little bit as well. And I just I just thrive beside the ocean or at least close to the ocean and Mexico city doesn’t help with that. It’s about six hours to Acapulco, and and also maybe five hours and and also I lived in some spillage in the Highland mountains, which is wonderful, but then I was missing the coast so so now we’re you know, our main project is eco village share, which people can find on telegram and eco village, and then share sh Ara one word. So all of those one word eco village share just connected on Telegram, a website is about to go up ecovillage It may be up by the time this recording goes up. That’s going to summarize our main project there but the way helping people to come to Mexico as well. That’s like the migration services. But we can help people settle because I’ve traveled all over Mexico over the last three years, we can help people decide what’s right for them. I’ve chosen to build our project that just as of a week ago, me and my girlfriend Frieda and another friend of ours, who’s an indigenous woman from Wahaca, she Freda has always loved Wahaca areas. So and I’ve always had great experiences in Morocco. And it is a stunning place. It actually had, they speak over 150 languages and dialects in Wahaca. And it’s the cultural and music traditional music hub of, of Mexico. So you can imagine with 150 languages and dialects that is a rich culture just for one state called the state of Oaxaca. And a lot of coast is not very developed. Although some hubs have become really popular. We just pass through Puerto Escondido when I haven’t been there for 26 years. So to see it again, just super built up and looks like a mini city over the internet on your phone is super slow. I was actually amazed like, it looks so modernized and full of details. I mean, I imagined the Wi Fi must be okay in your home. But on your phone, it’s ridiculously slow internet. And it was like that along the whole coast there. But yeah, we’ve settled on a region in the in the hinterland in the mountains, behind what tolko which is not far from Puerto Escondido, where to go and, and that’s where we’re looking to build this eco village and support people who may want to move to that area, or even live in one of our Eco villages, or as I mentioned, hybrid eco village. So there’s something pretty much rarely not a narcissist or parent, parasitic to a person like these parasitic politicians, so called elites, I prefer to compare it parasitic, the parasitic class who suck off the wealth creation of others, and often no value to society other than being a detriment to society. And yeah, so that’s, you know, ecovillage share would be one of the main projects plus migration services but anyone can contact me through telegram and visit the website at Eco If they’re interested in in connecting with me there’ll be contacts for me and our team there.

George Papp 34:34
Sounds great. There’s there’s definitely a lot more people contacting me for if I know people who who are in Mexico or in Latin America to chose to move from you know, say Canada, US, even some in Europe actually interested even though it is a bit further but like, there is a lot of interest in that part of the world at the moment. I think it seems like it’s a lot easier to navigate because They’re state doesn’t sort of overreach as much, let’s say as others in the sort of EU area. Yes. And stuff like that. So, yeah, it sounds great. So you’re doing good work you’re doing, I guess, God’s work as well. I think that’s it’s an important part. So I guess, what other ways can people get involved in the project? Apart from sort of, I guess, you know, let’s say. So if they wanted to help out in the projects, not only, let’s say potentially move into the project, but actually even help the project grow? Is there a ways for people who can get involved?

Paul 35:34
Yeah, as I mentioned to you off the top of the call. Recording that we really, were focused on building the correct team as as a foundation for a successful community experience. Also, a major focus of mine is ops and branding and organic foods. That was, again, what generated our income in our communities and our projects in Australia for all of our education campaigns that we were doing in Australia. So, so big thing is, is organic food products, cooperatives, anyone who wants to be part of our cooperative or support, building new industries in the organic, we’re helping them to grow the organic industry, let’s call it in here in Mexico, then, then there’s many ways that people can get involved with, with that being involved with ethical food products help people heal, using food as medicine, and using herbs as medicine and herbal extracts, skincare range, as well as food products and supplements. So we’re doing all of that and that’s all early stages. But but that’s what we’ve done in Australia. That’s my forte, really, that’s my one of my great passions. As well as that doing youth programs and Boys to Men programs, assisting young women in their in their journey and navigating, you know, the issues that women have in this world and becoming more more capable of of wading through through the difficulties that young women can experience growing up. So we really want to help young boys and young women in in becoming resilient and enjoying their lives having happy, happy lives. There’s projects around properties, there’s projects around getting by with our youth programs, and there’ll be summer camps and winter camps for sure, as well. And the layer we’re looking at is big enough for us to have our own camping, camping grounds, you know, far away from the main main villages and the main, let’s say, urbanized areas. But, but yeah, we people can also if they want to move to an eco village, or just learn more about what we’re doing, and see if it’s right for them, or select another area of Mexico, and they may have questions about where they should choose to live in Mexico, as I said, three years plus, I look at it like a time machine, if people come and get involved with us, then they’re saving them at least three years. And with the network that our whole team has between us, you know, they’re literally Yeah, it’s taken people decades or a lifetime to build up these networks. So I would say that, you know, overall, at least from for the experience and the work I’ve done, but laying the groundwork for three years, people who get involved in any of our volunteering with us or wanting to get involved in, you know, in purchasing a share in Eco village share, then then yes, feel free to get in touch with us and and you know, any of these abovementioned projects, there’s no way to get involved either as purchasing a share. I don’t speak about too many specifics, but just to give you some some sort of broad stroke idea, there could be a share of 10,000 US dollars, which is not a lot to them, actually, you have complete security over your parcel of land here in Mexico and and then have support build your your eco eco house or using bio construction techniques, and have the whole community helping and chipping in and getting involved with with a building project on your property. You know, again, I don’t want to say this is a firm law, org or term but you know, maybe 10 days or maybe a one

a one acre site or up to a half hectare site. So you have a lot of space we don’t want to have houses cramped together. Hopefully we won’t need fences between our houses at all because we just have distance for privacy. And in lots of beautiful trees and maybe bamboo fronds and useful bamboo for construction. We can grow that in a safe manner. So it doesn’t take over the whole property. We’ve got we’ve got a lot of riverfront a beautiful river that runs all year quite a strong River at that wild river. So you know if they want to come and visit the site or have an experience just getting to know us they can get in touch and come and visit this site that we’re we’re coming close to purchasing. They can get involved if they like what they hear they could they might want to be involved financially 10,000 was just an estimate or or a just to give you some kind of some ballpark figure as well as the size but people can also come and volunteer and even volunteering if people don’t have can volunteer and and With an agreement to a certain amount of hours and a certain amount of months, then they may be able to end up having securing their their permanent place in our communities in one of our, you know, hybrid eco village communities. So, you know, volunteering, work exchange can help secure a site or a placement in our, in our country, or just getting involved coming for a short stay for a weekend or getting involved in one of our youth programs helping food preparation. It really is across the board helping us with marketing online, you can people can stay in any country in the world, and still be involved and support us with with online marketing, are we programming or assisting our team with with the financial aspects that with the work you do, that’s something we’re discussing ways that we may be able to have a mutually beneficial and rewarding experience for our, our, our people, through your your offering of your services? You know, all of that is on the table?

George Papp 41:01
Right? Yeah. It’s interesting, because you mentioned 10, let’s not take that as a figure. But let’s say 10,000. Anyway. And it’s interesting, because most people in the world now use 10,000, to put a deposit on a home, which they will then pay for 60 years until basically they die. They’re basically and you know, they’re stuck in some sort of death contract, which are mortgages. Instead, you can basically use 10,000 to basically be free in a sense, and live off the land and eat healthily. Meet people with like minds, work with, you know, it’s just an easy option, in my opinion. But many people still go down. Yeah, I’d rather live in a tent on the beach, then obviously, do that for six years. Right. So, yeah, I think the last thing we can move to is key takeaways, especially for our listeners who are new to this, just anything that you feel will be valuable for our listeners who are new to this sort of living, they may be early stages of trying to sort of be free of the system. Yeah, just anything, any advice and key strategies that maybe they can implement?

Paul 42:19
Yeah. Another wonderful point to make and a great way to close it really is where the rubber meets the road, right? It’s really where things it’s our emotional state and, and our ability to see a brighter path ahead with everything we’re seeing going on, especially in the news. I mean, I hate cars even here in Mexico driving past and you hear the propaganda coming on between the songs and and there’s no wonder people are so fearful today and so concerned and I have my moments I’m not I’m far from able to be immune to all of this, although I won’t take a vaccination vaccination for for the propaganda, right, but But yeah, we need to keep that something that we need to be working on together right in our own mindset and having the right kind of people around us so you know, people are working closely with you or, or your networks and being this positive kind of reinforcement of what’s possible. And focusing on that and realizing that we don’t need to change the entire world this is what was my great realization, if we can just change our world, our personal world and you’re living inside of a huge city you know, flat or condominium apartment, you know, working online, you know, in some ways you may be working with some great projects that’s that’s creating the change that we need to see in the world you know, and building the news to make the old building the new systems that make all these old systems and Dysfunctional Systems that no longer service making those systems obsolete. Someone can do that from being in the in the heart of the beast, let’s say in the belly of the beast and and still have a really meaningful quality of life but you know, it’s hard when you can go outside and see most of the people still wearing masks or or or just people just living in the system without any thought that what they’re a part of is not serving them than their families that their children and just continually reinforce that system and let’s say encouraging that system to continue to exist. So you know if I can give people any kind of simple advice just from my own personal experience it’s been the more that I’ve connected with the land put my hands into the dirt even literally which I thought was a waste of someone’s you know, and now I see the value of it when you do that with with a good bunch of people with friends and enjoying the entire experience sharing a meal together you know and some people playing some some acoustic guitar music and singing while you’re planting in the garden and while you’re learning from other incredible no dig gardening techniques and ways to grow food that’s easier working smarter, rather working harder. In all aspects whether that be inhaling, building or gardening of Food, forests design so we have an abundance of food, you know, you do realize that we actually live in a very abundant world, we do not need to be struggling and and the more that you have these sort of people who are implementing the solutions around us, it just helps us to reinforce that. And, you know, even if they will have to live in a city for some reason, get out into the end of the country, that’s great, but get out of the country. Find some local organization that’s running, you know, food, food, not lawns, you know, there’s food, not lawns movement, there’s the perma blitz movement, there’s, there’s probably a lot of community I know there’s a ton more than I may be incorrect with that. So Morden is a town in England, where they basically turned all their gardens into food for us, then the lady who organized that went down to the police station, and told the police look, we’re ripping up all of your your ornamentals, and planting food all through guards around the police station, they’re like, alright, you know, because they’d already they’re already thrown their way around this community and said, This is the way it’s going to leave now. So the police accepted that and there’s photos of the police station with corn growing all around it to talk on and that people people can get involved even in their communities, in finding way creative ways to to learn about community gardening, learn about bio construction, go into a permaculture, Introduction to permaculture course, or just go and join any kind of like Earthship building, or construction. Building, if that’s more your interest carpentry or building if it’s not so much gardening, but I recommend a little bit of everything. Even if it’s building a pizza oven, you know, out of Adobe or or straw bale, which is called a Cobb Cobb pizza oven. Then then, you know, that that’s that to me is really huge. It that’s the new revolution really getting involved in your community. Sustainable and as self sufficiency is really the the new right way to be radical. It’s not about becoming a revolutionary raising arms. What, what these organizations are these parasitic classes. Fear is us becoming independent, you know, self guided individuals. Yeah,

George Papp 47:15
if you if you can grow your own food, if you can build your own home, if you can have your own water. At that point, you don’t need to do a degree to well, we used to get you jobs. But now obviously, it doesn’t matter it obviously is still indoctrinations. But that was always like what we had to do let’s go to school, get a go to get a degree, get a job. But if you actually know how to grow your own food, water and build your shelter, why would you need to go and work a job you hate for the rest of your life to pay off that mortgage on that house that you probably end up resenting because it’s it’s caused you a lot of pain. Instead, learn the skills and and you can actually find a way to live in this way. And it’s easier than you think. I actually agree with you. I was fully in London at one point, up until not long ago. And now I’m in a Greek island in a village. And you know, now I’ve met people who have started an eco village, I’ve met someone who’s living off the land already building cob houses. So these are the types of things that we could do. I never knew anything about that previously, they’re not only just sort of got into it in the last month or two. And that’s, you know, starting to grow my own food already just planted some something, just get it out there. Even if it doesn’t work at first, like just start doing, you know, planting some seeds. Learn the course in permaculture or in, you know, building calm housing, like you were mentioning. Yeah, just getting it involves straightaway and, you know, just don’t be scared of it and just just basically move into that. It’s that simple. You can watch Netflix and learn nothing. All you could do, basically is what is what the options. Yeah. Thanks. Thanks again, Paul. Thanks again, I think that should wrap up the time. Thanks for joining.

Paul 49:18
Just say, just look up, look up on YouTube. So Ted Ted Talks to more than edible landscapes. So Ted Ted to Morton, edible landscapes and Ted, Ron Finley guerilla gardener. If you put in TED guerilla gardener those two videos out there probably got a few videos but they’re super inspiring videos that you know I found take it they’re old but but gold all but God, definitely, if I want to get inspired about you know, alternative ways of living, the

George Papp 49:49
nice one, I’ll include that in the show notes. So yeah, thanks for joining me today, Paul. I mean, I’m looking forward to having you on again in the future. Obviously when your projects have maybe advanced to another stage. definitely interested in having you back. I mean, I guess make sure you subscribe to the podcast on iTunes or Spotify. Plus, if you’re interested in having one to one consulting to prepare your wealth for the great reset, check out the episode show notes for a link to crypto animus Also, we’ll put all the links to the ecovillage share and Mexico migration and other other people’s material in the show notes. So definitely check that out. So nice one peace and love to you all. Thanks, Paul. Thanks, guys. Thanks a lot, George. Great work. Cheers. Thank you.